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Yeah let's all look down our noses at the team for not being cheating scumbags :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Maroon
First one is the only one that is in question, after that, well if we go by your guidelines we may as well start saying that we don't recognise either of the Chelsea titles, United's last two and Arsenal's invincible season because of Leeds going bust. After all, had they been there they might have had a say in those years
Oh come on. We both know Leeds and Juve were relegated under totally different circumstances.
Also, I get the impression you don't fully appreciate the details of Calciopoli (no one in this country seems to). There wasn't any straight forward bribing the opposition's keeper to let in a couple of soft goals. There was evidence that the ex Juve Director General Luciano Moggi(amongst others) colluded with the referee designators to try to ensure Juve got what he saw as "favourable" referees as often as possible.
When Juventus got punished, no-one implicated in Calciopoli was still at the club.
Moggi was not the only person involved, yet no other club was seriously punished.
Surprsingly, the Prime Minister's club got off after a quick appeal :rolleyes:.
No one in the footballing side of things at Juve was in any way involved in "match fixing". There were no bribes.
Anyway, I'm tired of living in the shadow of this. I'm looking forward to the Zenit match tomorrow, back in Champions League.:)
I know exactly what Juve were caught doing, and I agree it was dodge that Silvio's Boys got let off (relatively), but regardless of whether or not you thought the punishment was just the fact remains that Juventus aren't the only team competing against Inter for the scudetto, they still had to beat Roma and Milan (among others) and last season Inter were fantastic all season. To say that Inter's last two titles (I'd argue the third as well, but we'll agree to disagree on that one) are tainted by Juve's cheating is ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Maroon
How is it ridiculous?
Forget about the circumstances for a minute. One of the main contenders for the title was taken out of the equation suddenly. That makes it easier for the teams left to win the title surely?
It does, but you're talking as if the Italian FA demoted Juve to freshen up the league and get the title on someone else. They were punished for cheating, no matter who's reign it came under the club had cheated and they are cheaters. That Silvio used his contacts to get Milan off on a lesser charge is irrelevant to this conversation, because you are dismissing Inter's titles off hand. Dismissing last years scudetto because Juve were in a process of rebuilding is particularly idiotic. They were in the league and they competed, it's just that Inter beat their brains out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Maroon
Using that logic Liverpool could claim that have been rebuilding since the Souness era and so United's umpteen titles in this period count for little, Rangers could say that they are in flux so it doesn't matter what Celtic achieve, and Real Madrid could say that are reforming their lines after the Galactico era and until they are finished this process it would be wrong to count the winners of the Champions League. You may say it's different but it's the EXACT same argument you are making
I get probably 5 or 6 games every weekend here in the States on FSC. Watched most of them so far. The Genoa-Milan game was unreal. Such high quality ball played by both sides and the Genoa fans were going mental the whole time.
Catania have been surprisingly good under Walter Zenga but they will slow down I believe. Inter look strong though I think Milan will rebound and give them a run for their money. Juve and Roma look good too but I do not believe they are as good as the two Milan sides. AC had a dodgy start and they need rid of Maldini in my opinion but their victory at the weekend against Lazio was awesome.
Why no try www.myp2p.eu they normally have all the matches
The Milan derby is tomorrow. Mourinho's first. Should be good, Milan started very badly but have picked up a bit. Inter are top of the table and looking very strong so far.
Just saw the Roma match there, they beat Atalanta 2-0.
Jeremy Menez looks like a really good talent for them. He's only 21. They've played pretty well today, without Totti as well.
It’s an all-star Milan derby between the Brazilian trio of Kaka, Ronaldinho and Pato with Inter’s Ricardo Quaresma, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Amantino Mancini.
Carlo Ancelotti said he would adjust his tactics in the absence of Marco Borriello and has gone for a Selecao-style Christmas Tree formation.
Ronaldinho has barely featured in recent games, but has been working on his fitness and is thrown in at the deep end for his first derby.
Over on the Nerazzurri side of the stadium, Jose Mourinho also goes on the attack with Quaresma replacing Adriano in his trident.
Sulley Ali Muntari is still suspended, so Javier Zanetti, Esteban Cambiasso and Patrick Vieira make up the midfield.
San Siro is sold out, so check back on the Football Italia website for half-time and full match reports along with extensive comments.
Milan: Abbiati; Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Seedorf, Ambrosini; Kaka, Ronaldinho; Pato
Inter: Julio Cesar; Maicon, Burdisso, Materazzi, Chivu; Zanetti, Cambiasso, Vieira; Quaresma, Ibrahimovic, Mancini
Have to admit i miss the italian football aswell. U couldnt beat it on a lazy sunday afternoon.
Milan were well worth the win on Sunday night. They frustrated Inter and scored a great goal. Inter were reduced to long range strikes to test Abbiatti.
I'm sure that's saved Ancelotti's skin, for a while.
Beckham will sign for AC Milan on loan in Jan SOURCE.
Why are Milan continuing to get old players :D
Watching Juve the other night brought back great memories of Serie A in it's pomp. Del Piero with a cracker, and Nedved running his socks off.
I miss Serie A.. :(
Inter are drawing 2-2 with Reggina(who are bottom) as I type. They drew their last 2 matches 0-0. Things aren't going smoothly for the Special One.
The Derby d'Italia is tonight. Inter vs Juve
Juve - Milan is on at 7:30 tonight
lineups
JUVENTUS: Manninger; Grygera, Mellberg, Chiellini, Molinaro; Marchionni, Sissoko, Marchisio, Nedved; Del Piero, Amauri.
MILAN: Abbiati; Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Ambrosini, Emerson, Pirlo; Seedorf, Ronaldinho; Pato.
Great to see Napoli doing well, a real team of the people!
Juventus were really solid but Milan's defence was awful in the game, Amauri is beginning to live up to his hype it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Maroon