Robbie Keane

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Im sure he would have loved to have gotten the opportunities that Lampard or Gerrard got. Hes had to make the best of the offers that he has received and to this point he has done as well as he possibly could have with what he was given.

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Dunno. I’d be critical of Gerrard for taking the Saudi gig.

Back to Hungary, I see Orban has introduced a constitutional ban on LGBTQ gatherings, codifying their governments prior ban on pride and beginning steps towards tracking homosexuals with facial recognition technology. It also bans peaceful protest against a range of relatively new laws including a ban on gay couples adopting.

Still, glad to see Robbie do well. All those years taking the FAI money (€250k per year) without actually working for the FAI obviously gave him the time to develop as a coach

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Im sure he would have loved to have gotten the opportunities that Lampard or Gerrard got. Hes had to make the best of the offers that he has received and to this point he has done as well as he possibly could have with what he was given.

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Good point, he certainly wasn't handed those sort of opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Im sure he would have loved to have gotten the opportunities that Lampard or Gerrard got. Hes had to make the best of the offers that he has received and to this point he has done as well as he possibly could have with what he was given.

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Tbh I think he's better off having had time to 'work his way up' as you get time to learn on those jobs.

You see high profile footballers into really high-level management within just a year or two, and it very often doesn't work out and they're out the door as those clubs are playing such high stakes.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

All the experience he's getting can only be good for him. I know he's been in charge of very strong/dominant clubs within both the Israeli and Hungarian league, but still, he's honing his trade.

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If we cut all the bs, and despite what we all might argue, it is bs in the context of his coaching capacity, the above is probably the crux of the issue when we consider him for the Irish gig.
What would being the Irish manager/head coach consist of? Introducing an upturn in the fortunes of an existing squad that can't be revolutionised by cash. I would suggest that he hasn't demonstrated that ability just yet, but he hasn't demonstrated that he's someone incapable of achieving results that his side should achieve.

I would hope to see him continue his European sojourn and see where he'd go next; going to somewhere like a Panathinaikos or a Besiktas and achieving there would be v interesting.
of course, he may not want to manage Ireland at all...

I haven't watched any of his teams play, can't comment on the style he's employed or hold an opinion, but in the discussion of next manager, he's going to become more in the running.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I would hope to see [Robbie] continue his European sojourn and see where he'd go next; going to somewhere like... ... Besiktas and achieving there would be v interesting.

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Hmmm. I wonder what those concerned about Robbie taking up employment in authoritarian countries would have to say about him working eg in
Erdogan's Turkey?

On which point, anyone heard from Festy Ebosele lately?

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Im sure he would have loved to have gotten the opportunities that Lampard or Gerrard got. Hes had to make the best of the offers that he has received and to this point he has done as well as he possibly could have with what he was given.

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To be fair to Lampard, he did start with Derby. He was offered the Chelsea job far too early in his managerial career, and quite possibly still hasn't recovered from it. He's doing ok with Coventry this season, about the same as he was with Derby.

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

Dunno. I’d be critical of Gerrard for taking the Saudi gig.

Back to Hungary, I see Orban has introduced a constitutional ban on LGBTQ gatherings, codifying their governments prior ban on pride and beginning steps towards tracking homosexuals with facial recognition technology. It also bans peaceful protest against a range of relatively new laws including a ban on gay couples adopting.

Still, glad to see Robbie do well. All those years taking the FAI money (€250k per year) without actually working for the FAI obviously gave him the time to develop as a coach

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Gerrard only took the Saudi gig after he ballsed up Rangers and Villa jobs... and yet he still got a golden parachute with Saudi job.

This stuff is nonsense in regard to worrying about where he works. The worst country of them all from our point of view in regards to authoritarianism/ colonialism is England, and no one bats an eye at any Irish person working there. Robbie is forging out a career. He's had to be away from his family a lot based on where he has gotten opportunites so it's not like he's taken the easy way.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Hmmm. I wonder what those concerned about Robbie taking up employment in authoritarian countries would have to say about him working eg in
Erdogan's Turkey?

On which point, anyone heard from Festy Ebosele lately?

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Why the **** would you do that?

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Why the **** would you do that?

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Eh?

You were musing earlier on RK maybe playing in Turkey. Which would be fair enough in my book were he to end up there.

However, I was just making the point that others were complaining about RK taking up employment in authoritarian countries like Israel, Hungary and (ahem) Obama's USA.

Yet Erdogan's Turkey is as bad as any of those (actually worse), yet no-one turns a hair at Ebosele* plying his trade there.

All of which is to demonstrate the double standards which some on this board have.


* - For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think anyone could/should object to Ebosele playing in Turkey.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Eh?

You were musing earlier on RK maybe playing in Turkey. Which would be fair enough in my book were he to end up there.

However, I was just making the point that others were complaining about RK taking up employment in authoritarian countries like Israel, Hungary and (ahem) Obama's USA.

Yet Erdogan's Turkey is as bad as any of those (actually worse), yet no-one turns a hair at Ebosele* plying his trade there.

All of which is to demonstrate the double standards which some on this board have.


* - For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think anyone could/should object to Ebosele playing in Turkey.

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I clearly at the start of my post focussed on the coaching aspect and not the other stuff. and your reply focusses just on that, and worse drags Ebosele into it. Why? Why do that?

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

To be fair to Lampard, he did start with Derby. He was offered the Chelsea job far too early in his managerial career, and quite possibly still hasn't recovered from it. He's doing ok with Coventry this season, about the same as he was with Derby.

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Yeah Tets, but Robbie wasnt even given the opportunity of a Championship club when he was clearly desperate to get into management. Hes taken a different path to Damien Duff but I admire them both for finding different ways to get involved in management, and its brilliant that both have been successful to this point.

True, but he did coach at Middlesbrough for a while. We don't know that he was looking to take over a Championship club, just that he took the Maccabi job. Arguably Maccabi would be bigger than most Championship sides, plus were able to offer European competition.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

True, but he did coach at Middlesbrough for a while. We don't know that he was looking to take over a Championship club, just that he took the Maccabi job. Arguably Maccabi would be bigger than most Championship sides, plus were able to offer European competition.

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Fair point, but I dont even remember a single rumor linking him with any Championship club ever, the only rumor I can remember is that he was linked with taking over at LA Galaxy very briefly. After he did well with Maccabi, especially on the European run you would have thought that there might be a decent opportunity available in England but instead he had to wait until well after the season started to get the job in Hungary. Hopefully if things continue to go well for him bigger a better things will come his way

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I clearly at the start of my post focussed on the coaching aspect and not the other stuff. and your reply focusses just on that, and worse drags Ebosele into it. Why? Why do that?

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Why do you appear to be taking my comments personally?

I clearly stated: "I was just making the point that others were complaining about etc etc etc"

Note my use of "others".

As for Ebosele, my point concerned other posters complaining about RK taking employment in "authoritarian" countries, whilst remaining silent when FE does so in Turkey.

In other words, other peoples' double standards.

One game left in the Hungarian campaign for Robbie. 3 points between Ferencvaros and Puskas Academia so looks like another title for Robbie is likely incoming. However, if PA win and Ferencvaros lose, then the standings look to be determined based on games won before goal difference comes into play which would leave PA top. Robbie is facing 4th place ETO Gyor who are on a run of form, with PA facing 6th place Diosgyor whose season is done. Will be one to watch on Saturday.

He won the Hungarian league today, and will be in the Champions League next season if he sticks around.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

He won the Hungarian league today, and will be in the Champions League next season if he sticks around.

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Too soon for the Spurs job ? !

Postegoclou will surely stick around after winning the Europa League?

No better time for Spurs to make a change, you could argue. Can't screw up the Champions League chance.

I don't think Keane would be close to it though.

Despite winning the Europa league, it is a big gamble to give Postocglou another season ~ Obviously after the great start he had at Spurs, the other, teams / managers, worked out how to take his system apart ~ He really has to convince the powers that be at Spurs, that he is capable of playing different systems and doing it successfully !

Also the not practising set-pieces thing, was kinda mad in this day and age ( maybe always ) First you have to try to use every and any possible advantage, and ya might be better to be keeping footballers busy at working on set-piece routines, than having footballers doing a lot of the daft stuff that some footballers get up to ~ ~ Keep em busy and out of temptation !

Robbie will probably go to Rangers :)

Boyhood club apparently

Turned down middlesbrough approach.

That's a strange one I'd have thought. More money, status, visibility, etc. Reasonably stable club with an eye on Premier promotion. What's not to like?

He didn't support the Boro as a child.

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Originally Posted by MylesNotMiley

He didn't support the Boro as a child.

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Always someone with the same tired stupid joke

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Always someone with the same tired stupid joke

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Always some miserable old fart having a moan.

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Originally Posted by MylesNotMiley

Always some miserable old fart having a moan.

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Old enough to have seen that same crap joke used for the best part 20 years... hasn't gotten any funnier with age

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Old enough to have seen that same crap joke used for the best part 20 years... hasn't gotten any funnier with age

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At least not to a miserable old fart.

I think you should take this one on the chin Razor.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Old enough to have seen that same crap joke used for the best part 20 years... hasn't gotten any funnier with age

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You could always just... ya know...silently roll your eyes and move on with your life

Itd be nice if there could ever be Robbie conversation without someone bringing it up is all

Which club did Robbie actually support as his boyhood club ?

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Which club did Robbie actually support as his boyhood club ?

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Liverpool and Celtic.

I think it's a smart move. He has a fair shot of getting to the champions League and showing his tactical prowess against some of the best.

Would have a good shot at a PL side then next year or replacing whoever gets sacked in January. Id argue it'd be better for him to come for the last couple of months of season so that he has a bit of a cushion to bed into the league.

A lot of managers go to the championship and never really get out of it so yeah, could be a smart one.

Might be a good one to swerve. They gave Carrick a three year deal less than a year ago, he dropped two league places & five points from last season. Last season they finished four points outside the play offs, the previous season, the eighth place finish, they were also four points outside the playoffs.

One was a new three year deal. The other, a sacking. Granted the five fewer points were five costly ones but over forty six games, they've sacked a guy who was one win & two draws short. That doesn't ring of sticking with your new three year deal young manager, does it ?

Since 2017 they've sacked Monk / Pulis / Woodgate / Warnock / Wilder & now Carrick. None were given a third season, most were given one & Robbie was there with Woodgate as a coach so he will know the chairman & his notions of where Middlesbrough belong.

The varying managerial styles of the sacked ones don't suggest an over arching strategy or club philosophy either.

I think he feels he can do better in time & really live the dream, and fair play to him.

Id look at as a positive that hes at least now starting to get a bit of chatter in English management circles. Id agree that Boro doesn't seem like a great job, but they are a big club and him getting linked there is a sign that he might be finally getting a bit of credit for how well he has done in his management career so far

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Itd be nice if there could ever be Robbie conversation without someone bringing it up is all

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That's the (boyhood) dream!

And thats 3 times on just the same page... this time it was kinda funny in fairness!

There's a poll on Twitter that needs rigging