Political affiliation is what counts when playing for national football teams. Otherwise Ali G could play for Jamaica, Aye?!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
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Political affiliation is what counts when playing for national football teams. Otherwise Ali G could play for Jamaica, Aye?!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
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Ironically it is known as a British passport even to the people that issue it. I rest my case. :D (BTW, my passport says 'Ireland', not 'Republic of Ireland' :p)
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Quality Lopez, Irish passport, none of this ROI or NI bull, 2 nationalities British or Irish, and anyone that possesses a British passport have gave up their sole right to complete Irish independence. My passport if you are in any doubt it says Eire on the front.
Once again you share the same passport as the English/Scottish/Welsh and you share the same anthem, thats no way to live. I have no doubt you are Irish just the political climate you have been brought up in has warped your mind into thinking that you are British, and on some occasions you want to be Irish and then when it suits your British, i bet you this if you were caught up in the middle east and had an Irish and a British passport we all know which passport your going to whip out.
culturally I am Irish. There is no such thing as British culture, only English, Scottish and Welsh cultures
Nice soundbite Sam, but a bit silly. Still, another Duncairn Gardens man, so I can't criticise too much
So you are fine about the relegation of Irish to a 'regionalism'?
I'm from a region of Ireland. I have no problem with others whether unionist or nationalist seeing it differently, provided they don't tell me I'm not Irish (or British).
Apologies. Although, I always thought of you as a (British) Republican
I am. I was just reminding you that Belfast (like London, dunno about other Brit cities) has both a Queen and Empress/Great Victoria Street.
However, if by some fluke we qualify tonight, I expect the latter to be renamed Latvia Avenue ;)
anyone that possesses a British passport have gave up their sole right to complete Irish independence
Not sure I understand this, but you do realise individuals can have joint nationality?
the political climate you have been brought up in has warped your mind into thinking that you are British, and on some occasions you want to be Irish and then when it suits your British
Nothing's warped my mind. I am both 100% Irish and 100% British. On all occasions I am both, I don't feel any need to deny nor exaggerate either.
i bet you this if you were caught up in the middle east and had an Irish and a British passport we all know which passport your going to whip out
I very much doubt an Irish passport would be much greater protection than a British (or many other western countries) in the current situation.
What is your nationality then Gather?
I do realise that some people have obtained 2 passports, but having 2 nationalities IMO is a load of happy horse sh*t and this kind of jarken is only used by those who are confused.
What exactly is wrong with having 2 nationalities? I'm confused as to why it's horseshi*t exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
My brother has dual nationality. His mother is Irish and father is English. What exactly is the problem? Or is he only allowed be one or the other by your rules?
Read the post i clearly stated that it was In My Opinion IMO. So your brother if asked the question would declare that he is Irish-British, fair enough each to their own.
And Im asking you to explain your opinion. As in why you think that?Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
I dunno, he's only 7 so I dont think he's been doing any deep thinking about the question but if he did I fail to see the problem...or why that would somehow make him confused as you said.
you said 2 posts above about a person from the North to consider themselves as BritishQuote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
"I have no doubt you are Irish just the political climate you have been brought up in has warped your mind into thinking that you are British,"
Hardly an each to their own attitude
So your brother never said he has dual nationality, it's you thats saying he has.
I just find it starnge IMO that some people have 2 nationalities. Sh*t one when both their nationalities are playing each other in a competitive match, support 1 in the first half and the other in the second??
No, ye buy a reversible jersey!
Nice 1 Paul.
What ever team is attacking you stick that side on, Jesus you would be wrecked if it was end to end action :)
Because really, thats all a nationality is.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
I'd get passports for every country I could. Just as a safegurd.
Except a British one obviously. Can't see how that'd help me..
Well he does consider himself half Irish/half english but he's a bit young to understand any further than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
Well there's a difference between finding it strange and calling it horsesh*t anf calling those who feel like this confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
As you said above, each to their own.Some couldnt care one way or another
Or support neither. You win either way. He's not hugely into sport yet. Supports both England and Ireland when they're playing other teams but wouldnt be bothered one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
Maybe youd have a team you prefer based on players or something. I dunno.
Doesnt affect those above though as they only have one national team to support so one less reason not to have dual nationality
The question that really has to be answered by anyone with dual nationality is who would you fight for in a war? Or would you play both sides off each other like Clint Eastwood in a Fistful of Dollars?
Depends on the shít storm and where. I don´t know if you have much experience dealing with Embassy staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
If I have the choice and my survival depended upon receiving immediate assistance, I would without hesitation choose to contact our old colonial masters in the British Consulate.
Who would you choose, possibly some lickspittle pimply young squirt of a bogman in a cheap suit or some living remnant of the masters of cheat and conquer who is just itching to demonstrate that he hasn't lost the knack and delights to show off with a few tricks up the old sleeve?
When I hear the word 'culture', I reach for my gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
I noticed that someone has asked your nationality (you know the word that you put down on the landing card when you go to America or wherever), and you didn't answer. Do you have dual nationality? (i.e. opted for dual nationality, because in the PC post-GFA era, we don't want to call people Irish who don't think they are).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
And if you (and Blanchflower and the eloquent EG) feel so strongly about being Irish, then respect the demographic wish of all Irish people at partition not to have their country partitioned and not be part of Britain.
Sadly it will have to remain Calle de la Empresa Vitoria. BTW, parts of La Coruna (like most Spanish cities) are to have some new street names shortly when Avenida General Mola, Avenida General Sanjurjo, Calle de General Millan Astray (good Coruna man, not very good human being) etc, are dropped. I think 'Avenida Gerry Armstrong' will not be one of them but I'm hoping 'Avenida Roberto Lopez Ufarte' is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Joint/Dual British/Irish nationality means you are an Irish citizen. I doubt Blanchflower would steep to that though, especially as he considers the 26C 'a foreign country'. I wouldn't put it past you, as I've seen you at more Ireland games in recent years than certain 'genuine' supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
And 100% NI. Is this mathematically possible? Surely 33.333333333333333% each?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
I agree. Best stay out of Offaly altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
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Originally Posted by geysir
I think, Dodge, was trying to be smart here hence the "..." given the thread it was in.
Dodge, is a master of sarcasm, didnt ye know ;) :D
A lot and the British are excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
As POS helpfully pointed out, I was kidding
I noticed that someone has asked your nationality (you know the word that you put down on the landing card when you go to America or wherever), and you didn't answer
Apologies, oversight not deliberate. My nationality (including for border crossing purposes) is British. If the card says UK I delete it, being a lifelong
republican.
My slight irk visiting German-speaking countries is having a real name that translates as funny ha ha. Always gives the Pass kontrol a laugh.
Do you have dual nationality? (i.e. opted for dual nationality, because in the PC post-GFA era, we don't want to call people Irish who don't think they are
No, I don't have nationality of the Republic of Ireland. No need, really, is there?
And if you (and Blanchflower and the eloquent EG) feel so strongly about being Irish, then respect the demographic wish of all Irish people at partition not to have their country partitioned and not be part of Britain
If/ when enough of us in/ from NI support joing the Republic of Ireland, partition may end. My money would be on San Marino winning a qualifier first ;)
Avenida General Mola, Avenida General Sanjurjo, Calle de General Millan Astray (good Coruna man, not very good human being) etc, are dropped.
Madrid's Avenida Mola was renamed years ago, (back?) to Claudio Coello (old master artist).
he considers the 26C 'a foreign country'. I wouldn't put it past you, as I've seen you at more Ireland games in recent years than certain 'genuine' supporters
So do I. I am considering coming out of retirement as a NI fan now that we're likely to be rubbish again...
And 100% NI. Is this mathematically possible? Surely 33.333333333333333% each?
Yes, it's arithmetically possible. They don't contradict one another.
Does that mean there is no poster called Bunreacht? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
half kidding...Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
A life long republican that says his nationality is British, something seriously f**ked up there Gather round. Gather round and listen to this there are no Irish born true republicans that would call themselves British :rolleyes::confused:Quote:
Apologies, oversight not deliberate. My nationality (including for border crossing purposes) is British. If the card says UK I delete it, being a lifelong
republican.
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I reckon he means he'd like to see a Republic of Britain as opposed to a monrachy. Quite how Scotland and Wales would view this I don't know given that it's the kingdom that unites britain at present.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
Then again, maybe that's not what he meant.
What about the other 0.0000000000000001%? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
I reckon he means he'd like to see a Republic of Britain as opposed to a monrachy
Indeed.
Quite how Scotland and Wales would view this I don't know
Well, if they split then it's no longer my business, I suppose. Although I'd prefer that Salmond (SNP leader) wasn't so pally with Liz Windsor
given that it's the kingdom that unites britain at present
I don't think loyalty to Liz and family is the main reason for clear majorities of voters in Abertawe and Aberdeen opposing independence.
Gather round and listen to this there are no Irish born true republicans that would call themselves British
You'll have to take my word for it, Einstein ;)
In all fairness you cant be 100% Irish and 100% British. Maybe 50:50 or 60:40. Same as players cant put in 200% on the pitch. Although Roy Keane came close!
In all fairness you cant be 100% Irish and 100% British
You can and I am. It's perfectly simple.
Maybe 50:50 or 60:40
No. As I've explained, one doesn't contradict the other.
Same as players cant put in 200% on the pitch
I'm not claiming to be 200% of anything.
W
Question: 100 + 100 =Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
(a) 100
(b) 200
(c) 677
(d) both (a) and (c)
If you need to phone a friend give me a buzz im good at sums :D
Can you be 100% from Europe and 100% Irish?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
I know its a bit different but the point is being Irish and British dont necessarily have to contradict each other(unless your being pedantic and saying NI isnt actually in Britain-we'l say UKish).
He is 100% Irish as he lives and was born on the island of Ireland, similarly I am 100% Irish as I was born and raised here. Also I am 100% European as my country is part of Europe....
Wow talk about simplifuying it far too much. In that case I cant be a 100 % Corkonion and 100% Irish cos 100 and 100=200Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
im 100% an Irishman and 100% a Kerryman, well maybe 90% cause i was born in Cork (the shame). Ones my county and ones my country. Come to think of it im 100% European too. Its a continent.
Point here is you cant be 100% related to one country (Ireland) and 100% related to another country (Britain).
Remember those Venn diagrams we did in junior school? They could come in useful here.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
I still don't see that the inclusion of that additional word makes any difference, nor whether she is using political or cultural criteria (even if those two can be completely disentangled, which I'm not sure that they necessarily can). Janeymac is still using political/cultural criteria to work out where to place someone on a scale of Irishness. I object to that. And I don't see how it is "cheap and nasty" for me to object to it - on the contrary, surely using criteria to place someone on a scale of Irishness is "cheap and nasty".Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Well that's your problem so, you by your own admission can't differenciate between policits and culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Best to agree to differ on it rather then go round in circles.
I wasn't lying because I believed that someone else used the phrase first: I was apparently mistaken, but certainly not lying. And I wasn't lying again because I have not lied previously therefore it would not be possible for me to have lied again.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I have no intention of insulting you, and I have no identity crisis, therefore the above makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Unfortunate use of percentages there, which is where the confusion has arisen, but the point being made was that the person in question - as I understood - considered himself Irish to the exclusion of other identities, even though he had 3 British grandparents and only 1 Irish grandparent. Hence, to claim he was 100% Irish but not at all British would seem very strange, and possibly indicate an identity crisis manifesting itself in a denial of his British heritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Good. I wouldn't expect or want you to. Each person has the right to determine his own identity - neither you nor me has the right to tell someone what he or she is or isn't. Unfortunately on this thread, though, you have been posing as such an authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Then you will have to change your views as I believe that each individual may determine his own identity.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
No I didn't. Just because I found it strange that someone with 3 British grandparents and 1 Irish grandparent would declare Irishness to the exclusion of Britishness in no way insinuates that I don't think the person should be entitled to an ROI passport! If he's entitled to one, then he's entitled to one - simple as.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
There's no way there have been as many foreign-born English footballers than ROI.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I know - you already said that. And it still doesn't alter the fact that, in my view, NI shouldn't pick players with no connection to NI, and, therefore, it is not inconsistent for me to have the same opinion about ROI. Therefore your claim that I was being inconsistent was false.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I don't have the power to stop anyone playing for any team. But I do have the right to express an opinion on eligibility criteria and I will continue to do so, regardless of the fact that others like yourself might disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I wasn't aware that I had said otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Such as?Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
How is that ironic? It is a British passport! And Northern Ireland, part of the UK, is British, and part of Ireland, is Irish. So Ealing's British passport is also an Irish passport, in the sense that it relates to part of Ireland. Just as an ROI passport is an Irish passport. There are two passports for Ireland: a British one for NI and an ROI one (known as an “Irish passport”) for ROI.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
What case?Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I know what it says, but in reality it is a ROI passport. The passport is issued by the ROI.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
And?Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I don't know anything about you, so I'm afraid I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
NI is part of the UK, so in terms of legal citizenship, our citizenship is that of the UK, i.e. British citizenship. We are, however, in a political or social sense, citizens of NI, just as someone in Scotland is a citizen of Scotland, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
That's obviously a misunderstanding so, it was me who brought up people I know who are 2nd and 3rd generation Irish and don't consider themselves British, I never said that they only had a single grandparent, that was your assumption. The people in question would have Irish parents or second generation Irish parents born and raised in England within the Irish communities in London, Birmingham etc . I also have a very good firend born in England to 2 Irish parents who moved back over here nearly 20 years ago at 14 but still identifies with an Irish but also an English identity having been born there. That's his perogative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
most of my mates over here are plastics, even if some of them only have 1 parent or even grandparent. Funny things is though, I dont htink they actually fully know what it means to be Irish. Anyhow, it reminds me of an ex when she was asked where she was from and she used to reply "Irish Sea". Summed it up for me really. Also reminds me of when my uncle met her in Ireland and he says " we spent 800 years getting them out, and in 2 years you start bringing them back". Most people in Ireland wouldn't understand the idea that someone born in England could see themselves as Irish.
Speak for yourself Blanch, i am a legal citzen of Ireland, work it up your bangle, i have a passport to prove it, 1 passport 1 nationality, none of this crap, half british half Irish a bit UK also a British republican like the Scottish, Jesus christ you have covered all bases haven't you.
If the UK became a republic, it would simply become the UR. Such a decision could only be made by the Parliament of the UK and would affect the whole of the UK/UR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
If Scotland and Wales felt differently, they would need to declare independence and proclaim the Queen as their head of state.