Paul McShane

Stephen Hunt was on soccer am this morning talking about his Irish teammates, you can see the full segment here: http://www.skysports.com/socceram/me...305175,00.html
According to him, McShane is the best trainer, which would go someway towards explaining why he's constantly selected in squads. Trapattoni sees what he is capable of on the training pitch, and hopes think he can reproduce it in a game.
Incidentally, this is why I think Gibson is selected in squads too, he's supposed to be excellent in training, which shows what he is capable of

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

According to him, McShane is the best trainer, which would go someway towards explaining why he's constantly selected in squads.

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That's all well and good but he's a sub for Hull. What sort of form is he showing that he deserves to be picked for the squad in the first place.

He just scored for Hull V Forest (IIRC)

Sign him up Trap!!!!

Well lets sum up the performance of the Irish players....
Meyler gave away a penalty, as did Brady, but on the plus side McShane scored!! (with his hand apparently), who does he think he is?
Thierry Henry??

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Stephen Hunt was on soccer am this morning talking about his Irish teammates, you can see the full segment here: http://www.skysports.com/socceram/me...305175,00.html
According to him, McShane is the best trainer, which would go someway towards explaining why he's constantly selected in squads. Trapattoni sees what he is capable of on the training pitch, and hopes think he can reproduce it in a game.
Incidentally, this is why I think Gibson is selected in squads too, he's supposed to be excellent in training, which shows what he is capable of

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Was talking to a lad who used to play with him at St. Joeseph's who was shocked when McShane ended up being signed by United.

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Originally Posted by Carrigaline

Was talking to a lad who used to play with him at St. Joeseph's who was shocked when McShane ended up being signed by United.

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A friend of a friend played for Joe's (as did I about 20 years ago!) alongside McShane and he told my pal that McShane was fairly average but spent one off-season being trained in a ridiculously tough manner by his dad and that helped improve his game enough to eventually get him signed. Or something to that effect anyway.

What a man

Its Will Ferrell!

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Stephen Hunt was on soccer am this morning talking about his Irish teammates, you can see the full segment here: http://www.skysports.com/socceram/me...305175,00.html
According to him, McShane is the best trainer, which would go someway towards explaining why he's constantly selected in squads. Trapattoni sees what he is capable of on the training pitch, and hopes think he can reproduce it in a game.

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He is so good in training that he knobbled one of the 1st team recently - I think it was Robbie before the German game.

The problem with having him around is that he is a risk to our players in training and a risk to our goal in games!

He scored a controversial goal at the weekend. I think I read he scored with his hand. He must have learnt from Thierry Henry. He was close enough.

'he's an honest lad'

McShane
"It definitely wasn't a handball. I'd tell you if it was, it came off my chest and shoulder area,"

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...76/4365004.jpg

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

He scored a controversial goal at the weekend. I think I read he scored with his hand. He must have learnt from Thierry Henry. He was close enough.

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If he had been close enough Henry wouldn't have gotten to handball it.

;-)

it came off my chest and shoulder after it hit my hand.

Nothing dishonest in what he said, he just didn't say everything. There is a difference, still an honest lad.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

it came off my chest and shoulder after it hit my hand.

Nothing dishonest in what he said, he just didn't say everything. There is a difference, still an honest lad.

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He said it wasn't hand ball, therefore 'it did not hit my hand'.
Unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise, he deserves to get the benefit of any doubt in the matter.

You can look up 'evidence' in the dictionary, assuming you do know what a dictionary is? :)

I do know, i looked up the thesaurus.

Remember, it's to be digested, not swallowed :)

McShane scored for Hull today in their 2-2 draw against Cardiff City to help them gain promotion.

Sign him up Trap!!!!

4 Irish played and go up McShane Brady Quinn Meyler.

Should balance out those coming down!!!

It came from a Brady corner delivered to land about 5m out.
McShane forced his way to get in front of a Cardiff defender who ended up hanging onto his shirt, still McShane managed to get a clean strike on the ball.
Bruce totally lost his head after the game and chased after the ref, who was making a quick exit down the tunnel.
The ref had done nothing wrong, he awarded 2 stonewall penalties in ET, one to each side. Hull just missed theirs.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

McShane scored for Hull today in their 2-2 draw against Cardiff City to help them gain promotion.

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Delighted for him. Whether he'll keep his place like half the Hull side when they play in the Premiership is another matter. That's one of the ironic things I always think when I see teams celebrating promotion. Half them will lose their place. It was interesting that when the Hull team was watching the Watford game on Sky, Robbie Brady plonked himself in front of the camera while McShane stood composed at the back. A limited but whole hearted player but I hate hearing him getting stick from fans.

Will be interesting to see how many of the 4 keep their place.

Hear hear, re-McShane. There's a lot to admire in him. I also hate hearing him get stick and it wasn't his fault Trap seemed to think he was the next Cafu at one stage.

By the way, bar a silly lunge that might have earned a red card in an international (one of those where you let the ball run away from you and lunge in after it) Brady was a cut above everyone else on the pitch at times. There was some general good play but only Brady looked to have that bit extra. Bruce played him upfront in a 442.

I might be the only one but I don't have palpatations when I see McShane wear an Irish shirt. He's one of those odd players who can be calamitous but his class shows at key moments. I'm not in the least surprised to see his goal was key to Hull's promotion. Very excited to see Brady, Meyler and Quinn again playing at the top level of English football.

Yep his class shows at key moments, like the ones where you are looking dead cert for penalties in a world cup play-off, where he lets his man get in behind him and watches the ball glide past him!!! Those sorta key moments!

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Yep his class shows at key moments, like the ones where you are looking dead cert for penalties in a world cup play-off, where he lets his man get in behind him and watches the ball glide past him!!! Those sorta key moments!

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I hope one day you'll overcome your fear of the Irish defender giving away a penalty. I suspect that the fear shifts its focus, depending on who's in our back 4?

My own fear is that the ref allows himself to be fooled by the actions of a devious attacker, going out of his way to get contact with a defender and fall over theatrically. We are riding our luck with that one, we got away with the ref spotting Lewandowski's sham penalty claim but how much longer can we depend on having an eagle eyed official to save our skins? Surely one day, the ref will get fooled and award a penalty against us?
Only death will give us peace from all fears.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Paul McShane as a man and as a professional. There are few players that I would love to see perform and thrive at the highest level than him. He seems to be a cult hero for the Hull fans and maybe that might bring greater confidence to his game. Certainly, when he was breaking into the Irish team, I had a fair bit of confidence, that he could achieve good things in the game.

However, while I'm delighted for him, I have to admit that my heart sinks anytime I see him wearing a green shirt. He always gives me the feeling of being a liability. He is slow and cumbersome and you feel that he is always liable to give away a penalty.

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Originally Posted by geysir

I hope one day you'll overcome your fear of the Irish defender giving away a penalty. I suspect that the fear shifts its focus, depending on who's in our back 4?

My own fear is that the ref allows himself to be fooled by the actions of a devious attacker, going out of his way to get contact with a defender and fall over theatrically. We are riding our luck with that one, we got away with the ref spotting Lewandowski's sham penalty claim but how much longer can we depend on having an eagle eyed official to save our skins? Surely one day, the ref will get fooled and award a penalty against us?
Only death will give us peace from all fears.

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What are you on about? I was on about us getting to penalties against France. Not giving away a penalty.

Steve Bruce was interviewed on 5Live last night before the Sunderland vs Stoke game by Kevin Kilbane, who asked him about McShane - was full of praise for his character and ability, although he said McShane didn't really trust him. Has manager issues apparently, been let down too many times. Sounds like his faith has been restored though. Lovely stuff.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

What are you on about? I was on about us getting to penalties against France. Not giving away a penalty.

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Hard to tell sometimes what you are on about, when you are being sarcastic about a player.

The only way a player behind McShane in that situation, could have controlled the ball, was to foul the ball. It's 3 1/2 years since, let's not get over it, that sounds a great idea:rolleyes:

It's perhaps a bit unfair to judge a player on one incident, OK there maybe one or two more but that's the same with every player.
He has helped Hull win promotion though, question is will we see him in the Premiership next season?

Why wouldn't we? He was critical in Hull's promotion, the fans and the manager love him. Of course we will see him in the top flight next year. And he's a good player, in spite of what Eamon Dunphy has told most people here to say.

I have seen Eamon Dunphy maybe once in 5 years CD! I judge solely on what I see.

And if you think a good defence is built on foundations that include McShane and Ward then you might start on the right path by actually listening to Dunphy!

I wouldn't have either of them in my team but they're decent players.

Think back to the Foley/McShane selection for the Euros.
McShane went on to be key in Hull's successful promotion push while Foley couldn't get into a Wolves team that got relegated to League 1. Maybe just maybe Trap was right...

Fair point that.

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Originally Posted by JGKyne

Think back to the Foley/McShane selection for the Euros.
McShane went on to be key in Hull's successful promotion push while Foley couldn't get into a Wolves team that got relegated to League 1. Maybe just maybe Trap was right...

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Selective memory? In a second consecutive injury-ravaged season Foley has still started more games than McShane.

According to ESPN, Foley's started 25 to McShane's 23, however both have been affected by injury this season. You could look at the trend though and say that McShane fought his way into a side challenging for the title while Foley was in and out of a team that was never far from the relegation zone.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

According to ESPN, Foley's started 25 to McShane's 23, however both have been affected by injury this season. You could look at the trend though and say that McShane fought his way into a side challenging for the title while Foley was in and out of a team that was never far from the relegation zone.

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So I was correct. How has he fought his way into the side though? He's a back up for them usually. He was playing left back in the last game! Fair play to McShane and to be honest if I was looking for a championship-level defender going forward I'd take McShane over Foley at the moment. But that statement from JGKyne was balls.

JKyne's statement was false but only just.

McShane isn't a back-up. He's started every game he's been fit for since he won his place in the starting line-up before Christmas.

Is fact-checking a dying art? We are on the internet, folks!

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/pa...24636.html#GB2

Started 1/12 then his next league start was 19/1 after being on the bench for 5 in a row. 9 league starts this year including most recently at left-back! Sounds like a squad player to me, his injuries being acknowledged in my judgement of his season from afar.