John O'Shea

He had an alright game, and he's been solid for us and United all season, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I'm not entirely sure he should have been player of the year, and if Inter had punished him for his brutal giveaway at the top of the box we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

He had an alright game, and he's been solid for us and United all season, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I'm not entirely sure he should have been player of the year, and if Inter had punished him for his brutal giveaway at the top of the box we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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Yeah you're right, we shouldnt get carried away about an Irish player that is performing extremely well at one of the biggest clubs in the world

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=5213...ht=john+o+shea

I thought he was excellent last night as well. Only one error which didn't prove costly (letting the Swede sneak in behind him - wasn't offside but I'm glad the flag went up!) but he was Man Utd's best defender last night. Full back is his best position IMO and maybe we can utilise him there for Ireland one day.

i've never liked john o'shea for the following reason, but agree he has shown improved form. but he has never replicated the attacking threat he showcased when he first broke onto the united scene. united fans say he was cursed the day pete boyle sang the song about johnny marching down the wing, as he has never done so since. also known as john o'pie in some circles but has done a bit about his weight recently.

STORY:

Basle Airport - The day after we've lost 2-0 away to Switzerland in the final game of qualifying for Euro 2004, and that has ended any hope of qualifying.

All the players are at the airport, some kind enough to pose for a few photos. All look sullen, and downbeat. Matt Holand looks as if he could burst in to tears. Even Robbie Keane is looks crushed. Brian Kerr looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

But there is none other that John O'Shea - solely responsible for us conceding the first goal, laughing his head off at something he has just said to someone, and smiling all the while as if nothing has happened.


Anyway, lets hope he has matured and that playing for Ireland means a bit more to him now.

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Originally Posted by magnumpi

i've never liked john o'shea for the following reason, but agree he has shown improved form. but he has never replicated the attacking threat he showcased when he first broke onto the united scene. united fans say he was cursed the day pete boyle sang the song about johnny marching down the wing, as he has never done so since. also known as john o'pie in some circles but has done a bit about his weight recently.

STORY:

Basle Airport - The day after we've lost 2-0 away to Switzerland in the final game of qualifying for Euro 2004, and that has ended any hope of qualifying.

All the players are at the airport, some kind enough to pose for a few photos. All look sullen, and downbeat. Matt Holand looks as if he could burst in to tears. Even Robbie Keane is looks crushed. Brian Kerr looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

But there is none other that John O'Shea - solely responsible for us conceding the first goal, laughing his head off at something he has just said to someone, and smiling all the while as if nothing has happened.


Anyway, lets hope he has matured and that playing for Ireland means a bit more to him now.

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I agree I think footballers should be banned from smiling and even laughing for a few seconds the day after losing a big football match as it shows without doubt that they care not a jot about playing for their country. Perhaps if we had some kind of smile monitor someone who could volunteer to keep an eye on the players facial expressions , this would sort out the commited from the mercenary

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Originally Posted by magnumpi

i've never liked john o'shea for the following reason, but agree he has shown improved form. but he has never replicated the attacking threat he showcased when he first broke onto the united scene. united fans say he was cursed the day pete boyle sang the song about johnny marching down the wing, as he has never done so since. also known as john o'pie in some circles but has done a bit about his weight recently.

STORY:

Basle Airport - The day after we've lost 2-0 away to Switzerland in the final game of qualifying for Euro 2004, and that has ended any hope of qualifying.

All the players are at the airport, some kind enough to pose for a few photos. All look sullen, and downbeat. Matt Holand looks as if he could burst in to tears. Even Robbie Keane is looks crushed. Brian Kerr looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

But there is none other that John O'Shea - solely responsible for us conceding the first goal, laughing his head off at something he has just said to someone, and smiling all the while as if nothing has happened.


Anyway, lets hope he has matured and that playing for Ireland means a bit more to him now.

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That doesn't mean fu*k all. I've seen people laugh outside churches after funerals when chatting away, different people have different way's of dealing with different scenarios. It doesn't mean he wasn't hurting the same way everyone else was.

What was Bill on about last night saying that it was reported in some paper that the fans at Old Trafford weren't happy with him? Surely the opposite is true this season?

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Originally Posted by magnumpi

STORY:

Basle Airport - The day after we've lost 2-0 away to Switzerland in the final game of qualifying for Euro 2004, and that has ended any hope of qualifying.

All the players are at the airport, some kind enough to pose for a few photos. All look sullen, and downbeat. Matt Holand looks as if he could burst in to tears. Even Robbie Keane is looks crushed. Brian Kerr looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

But there is none other that John O'Shea - solely responsible for us conceding the first goal, laughing his head off at something he has just said to someone, and smiling all the while as if nothing has happened.


Anyway, lets hope he has matured and that playing for Ireland means a bit more to him now.

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Ah come on, when you said you had a story i thought it was actually something. In fairness how many of us have come back from Ireland games depressed after a result but still would get a laugh every now and then on the way back for one reason or another. Bit OTT in fairness.

Billo said he read it in the guardian yesterday. He was on form last night, hilarious when he made one of his rambling points and Gilesy turns to him and goes Im not sure what your asking Bill. Priceless.

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Originally Posted by magnumpi

i've never liked john o'shea for the following reason, but agree he has shown improved form. but he has never replicated the attacking threat he showcased when he first broke onto the united scene. united fans say he was cursed the day pete boyle sang the song about johnny marching down the wing, as he has never done so since. also known as john o'pie in some circles but has done a bit about his weight recently.

STORY:

Basle Airport - The day after we've lost 2-0 away to Switzerland in the final game of qualifying for Euro 2004, and that has ended any hope of qualifying.

All the players are at the airport, some kind enough to pose for a few photos. All look sullen, and downbeat. Matt Holand looks as if he could burst in to tears. Even Robbie Keane is looks crushed. Brian Kerr looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

But there is none other that John O'Shea - solely responsible for us conceding the first goal, laughing his head off at something he has just said to someone, and smiling all the while as if nothing has happened.


Anyway, lets hope he has matured and that playing for Ireland means a bit more to him now.

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would you cop on

I thought O'Shea had a great game last night. He had to cover also for Ronaldo who didn't track back.

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Originally Posted by BaZmO*

What was Bill on about last night saying that it was reported in some paper that the fans at Old Trafford weren't happy with him? Surely the opposite is true this season?

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Been to OT 4 times this year, the local fans cant abide him. They call him "Joke"
Oh no dont tell me Joke is on, dont give it to Joke etc. He gets more abuse from the Stretford End than some of the away sides players. Your not fit to wear the shirt is another he gets, not from the masses mind, but a pretty large minority. He is less than popular thats a fact

Really couldn't care what the "fans" at Old Trafford think. As long as he performs for us, as he has done under Trapattoni so far, I'm more than happy.

I thought he had a nervy opening last night but recovered well and put in an overall solid performance.

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Originally Posted by magnumpi

i've never liked john o'shea for the following reason, but agree he has shown improved form. but he has never replicated the attacking threat he showcased when he first broke onto the united scene. united fans say he was cursed the day pete boyle sang the song about johnny marching down the wing, as he has never done so since. also known as john o'pie in some circles but has done a bit about his weight recently.

STORY:

Basle Airport - The day after we've lost 2-0 away to Switzerland in the final game of qualifying for Euro 2004, and that has ended any hope of qualifying.

All the players are at the airport, some kind enough to pose for a few photos. All look sullen, and downbeat. Matt Holand looks as if he could burst in to tears. Even Robbie Keane is looks crushed. Brian Kerr looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

But there is none other that John O'Shea - solely responsible for us conceding the first goal, laughing his head off at something he has just said to someone, and smiling all the while as if nothing has happened.


Anyway, lets hope he has matured and that playing for Ireland means a bit more to him now.

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hmm i was fierce depressed after both the Slovakia and Czech games a couple of years back but still proceeded to head out, get blind drunk and have a great night....guess that wouldn't make me much of a fan by your reckoning then eh?

At least it makes you out to be a depressed man who associates a time being blind drunk with a great night?

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

hmm i was fierce depressed after both the Slovakia and Czech games a couple of years back

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That was Johno's fault too!!!:D

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Originally Posted by geysir

At least it makes you out to be a depressed man who associates a time being blind drunk with a great night?

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well drinking to forget your problems is a good thing right????

Until the morning comes :)

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Originally Posted by magnumpi

i've never liked john o'shea for the following reason, but agree he has shown improved form. but he has never replicated the attacking threat he showcased when he first broke onto the united scene. united fans say he was cursed the day pete boyle sang the song about johnny marching down the wing, as he has never done so since. also known as john o'pie in some circles but has done a bit about his weight recently.

STORY:

Basle Airport - The day after we've lost 2-0 away to Switzerland in the final game of qualifying for Euro 2004, and that has ended any hope of qualifying.

All the players are at the airport, some kind enough to pose for a few photos. All look sullen, and downbeat. Matt Holand looks as if he could burst in to tears. Even Robbie Keane is looks crushed. Brian Kerr looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

But there is none other that John O'Shea - solely responsible for us conceding the first goal, laughing his head off at something he has just said to someone, and smiling all the while as if nothing has happened.


Anyway, lets hope he has matured and that playing for Ireland means a bit more to him now.

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that reminds me of conor oshea in the rugby against england at landsdowne when he kicked it out over the sideline really stupid and just didnt care like. funny how things stay in peoples memories though!

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Originally Posted by an_ceannaire

Been to OT 4 times this year, the local fans cant abide him. They call him "Joke"
Oh no dont tell me Joke is on, dont give it to Joke etc. He gets more abuse from the Stretford End than some of the away sides players. Your not fit to wear the shirt is another he gets, not from the masses mind, but a pretty large minority. He is less than popular thats a fact

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Well obviously Ferguson doesn't agree with this assessment. O'Shea is almost becoming a regular in the side and is a very useful utility player. To call him a "joke" or "not fit to wear the shirt" is way ott. Had a reasonable game last night but was exposed on the flanks once or twice from the highlights I saw.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Well obviously Ferguson doesn't agree with this assessment. O'Shea is almost becoming a regular in the side and is a very useful utility player. To call him a "joke" or "not fit to wear the shirt" is way ott. Had a reasonable game last night but was exposed on the flanks once or twice from the highlights I saw.

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That's not the view from most fans at all this season.

http://www.redcafe.net/f6/has-oshea-...-match-236258/
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/evans-oshea-237480/
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/does-john-oshea-237498/

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

That's not the view from most fans at all this season.

http://www.redcafe.net/f6/has-oshea-...-match-236258/
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/evans-oshea-237480/
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/does-john-oshea-237498/

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Here's a video from that first thread of him nutmegging Luis Figo (I assume from the recent CL game):

A lot of people on that thread are less than enthused about him, though the dissenting voices are much more muted in the second and third threads.

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

That's not the view from most fans at all this season.

http://www.redcafe.net/f6/has-oshea-...-match-236258/
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/evans-oshea-237480/
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/does-john-oshea-237498/

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most fans posting on forums havent a clue

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

most fans posting on forums havent a clue

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A fair percentage of those in the stands don't have one either.

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Originally Posted by John83

A fair percentage of those in the stands don't have one either.

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one and the same probably

My view on O'Shea is that he had/has latent ability as a player but never settled on a position and thus his development stagnated.
He became basically a 'jack of all trades and a master of none.'

I thought he was fantastic against Inter Milan. He stopped their attacks again and again. He is clearly very fit and his passing was great (except for one awful pass at the start). I thought he was one of the best players on the night.

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Originally Posted by musicinmouth

I thought he was fantastic against Inter Milan. He stopped their attacks again and again. He is clearly very fit and his passing was great (except for one awful pass at the start). I thought he was one of the best players on the night.

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Really! he was given a 6 by sports journalists versus 7s and 8s for the other Man U defenders. He started terrribly. Again, he is not a central defender.

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Originally Posted by musicinmouth

I thought he was fantastic against Inter Milan. He stopped their attacks again and again. He is clearly very fit and his passing was great (except for one awful pass at the start). I thought he was one of the best players on the night.

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A little hyperbole there surely? He did well to recover from being skinned by Ibrahamovich a few times start of the second half and regain his composure but fantastic is stretching it.

That said, he's having his best season in years (since his first probably) and long may it continue.

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Originally Posted by Scram

Really! he was given a 6 by sports journalists versus 7s and 8s for the other Man U defenders. He started terrribly. Again, he is not a central defender.

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their opinion counts no more than anyone elses. had a fine game but sure some on here will never let up on critisising him. most countries our size would love to have one of their defenders playing regularly for probably the best club side in the world.... but oh no not us miserable sods

ps. he was playing full back on tuesday

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

their opinion counts no more than anyone elses. had a fine game but sure some on here will never let up on critisising him. most countries our size would love to have one of their defenders playing regularly for probably the best club side in the world.... but oh no not us miserable sods

ps. he was playing full back on tuesday

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well said

I'm just trying to get out a reasonable opinion of O'Shea.

He's a decent player on a fantastic team.

He's having a good team by his standards, but not by the standards of a Premier League winning team.

For many of the games this season, he has been one of the worst for United in a winning effort.

This is not to say that he has been particularly bad, but rather that he had the least to contribute in terms of the win.

He is solid defensively, and passable in possession, and he has been exceptional for Ireland at international level in this campaign, but I didn't think O'Shea deserved a lot of the criticism he once received on here, and by the same token, I don't think he deserves a lot of the credit he's getting now.

Decent player who is important to the national team, but not the player I'm reading about in some of these posts.

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

one and the same probably

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is that because they don't agree with either of you ;)

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

For many of the games this season, he has been one of the worst for United in a winning effort.

This is not to say that he has been particularly bad, but rather that he had the least to contribute in terms of the win.

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how on earth does one come up with this assertion? its all just opinion. surely he has contributed more than those not starting regularly? definately more than berbatov and rooney recently in anycase

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

how on earth does one come up with this assertion? its all just opinion. surely he has contributed more than those not starting regularly? definately more than berbatov and rooney recently in anycase

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If you think O'Shea is more valuable to the cause than Berbatov or Rooney, I can't really talk to you.

Any manager would rather have potential match winners like Berbatov and Rooney in their side over a guy like John O'Shea, who for all his consistent play this season, is quite limited.

how can anyone compare the worth of a right back/centre back with attacking, flair players?

what a bullsh*t argument.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

how can anyone compare the worth of a right back/centre back with attacking, flair players?

what a bullsh*t argument.

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I wasn't the one who brought it up.

When Evra plays, he can impact a match dramatically. As can Ferdinand and Vidic.

I don't feel that O'Shea can make that same level of impact as a fullback.

He lacks the focus to be a world-class centre-half, and the on-the-ball, attacking ability, of a world-class fullback.

So you're left with a decent utility player by top-class standards.

He's a key player for us right now, but to say he was one of the best players on Tuesday is laughable.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

how can anyone compare the worth of a right back/centre back with attacking, flair players?

what a bullsh*t argument.

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I don't see why not really, afterall they are the people who have to deal with the attacking flair players, surely the best defenders should be on as much as the best attackers on that basis?

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

I don't see why not really, afterall they are the people who have to deal with the attacking flair players, surely the best defenders should be on as much as the best attackers on that basis?

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I think it was Tommy Docherty who said that no player of any skill should ever be played in defence. (I assume that was at least a little tongue in cheek.)

I suspect there's a reason defenders earn less and are bought and sold for less than strikers. Maybe it's just psychology though.

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Originally Posted by John83

I think it was Tommy Docherty who said that no player of any skill should ever be played in defence. (I assume that was at least a little tongue in cheek.)

I suspect there's a reason defenders earn less and are bought and sold for less than strikers. Maybe it's just psychology though.

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John Terry is Chelsea's highest earner.

I doubt Ferdinand and Carragher are on **** wages either...