The Sun wouldn't have been able to resist.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
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The Sun wouldn't have been able to resist.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
It appears that the contract as originally signed by SOD gave Pats the option of extending it. In that case they would only have had to formally notify him they were doing so. Which it appears they did.
The documents will all be produced in court if it ever gets that far. No way would Pats be starting a High Court process if they didn’t have the documents as they’d just be throwing their money away.
That would be my interpretation of it. It would be a gamble to take if we were on shaky legal ground. There will be no winners in this. If we win then a mans family could potentially suffer the consequences of his actions if he wins he has tarnished what he has previously achieved anyway. I thought I had seen a lot in my time in the LOI but this has been a particularly dirty episode.Quote:
he documents will all be produced in court if it ever gets that far. No way would Pats be starting a High Court process if they didn’t have the documents as they’d just be throwing their money away.
That is a very detailed press release from Pats in the paper. I particularly like Pats wanting to prevent Dundalk from approaching Pats players who aren’t even under contract. Seems to me like this is another attempt by Kelleher to force a settlement so O’Donnell can be construed as a guilty party. The example of Benson as the player who’s contract negotiation with Pats was delayed is particularly funny considering he only ever signed one year deals and always did so in the close season.
Mark Tighe - Pat's fan.
A somewhat delusional interpretation of an article from a known paper of record. It it was in the Sunday World then ok but the Times tends to represent the known facts, the known facts might not be conformable to certain parties but they are what they are. The courts will decide all of this & sooner rather than later hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Typical of the Dublin media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B
Read the article again. How many times was the word "claimed" use. This is Tigue reporting on what Pats are claiming not what the facts actually are. "Known facts", Christ on a bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Kelleher trying to block transfers to Dundalk is comical and shows the pettiness of the man. Really hope O'Donnell sues for defamation of character.
Contracts don't work like that. Both parties need to agree to an extension. I really hope that is what Pats are claiming as it will be laughed out of court.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
Kelleher is trying to bully O'Donnell to admitting he is wrong, settling out of court with a groveling apology. Great that O'Donnell is fighting this.
I would find it incredible to believe that O'Donnell/agency/solicitor agreed to a clause on his original contract in 2019 that Pats could just notify him at the end of the contract they can activate an extension of another 2 years without any signed agreement
Needed a good laugh today with the lack of comedy on TV.Quote:
Really hope O'Donnell sues for defamation of character.
Aodh Dervin announced for Shels
Its believable in context of a under qualified candidate looking for his first chance on the coaching ladder. Put yourself in a similar job position. The man held no coaching positions until our owner took a chance on him as he believed in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
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Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Employee hands in notice as per terms of his contract. Billionaire bigwig owner throws a strop and tries to destroy his career. Maybe you are looking in the wrong direction when questioning someone's characterQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
So you would be happy with your head coach being in secret negotiation's with another club days before a cup final, come on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Citation needed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Layman’s summary of what Pats are claiming their “correspondence” shows:
Kelleher: Just confirming we are activating the extension in your contract.
SOD and/or agent: Right so.
If any Dundalk fan thinks Kelleher would be going to the High Court without having that under his arm, I admire your optimism.
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Originally Posted by Louth4sam
He conducted opposition analytics for Dundalk and was manager of DKIT. Regardless of this, if you believe anybody would sign a contract that could automatically be renewed without their consent you are deluded. Nobody would sign this regardless of what job position they are inQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
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Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Of course I wouldn't but that's football. You were playing Bohs however, not like there was a conflict of interest there.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Actually it’s far from unusual in football contracts. The club has an option to extend. The duration of the extension is set out in the contract. In signing the contract, the person is consenting to the extension if it’s activated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Tunde ? Yes he's a fine player, big strong lad too that can hold the ball up, definitely a good signing for Pats.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Not true I'm afraid. It could easily be agreed to in the original contract. Man United for example insert one way options into players contracts all the time and just notify them that they've taken up the option. As long as the other party is aware of its existence there's no reason why it couldn't be valid. What may be up for debate is whether and how it was activated and whether that was in line with the original clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
I've said it before on here that if he wanted to leave, then he & Dundalk should have used proper procedure. If Dundalk used proper channels while it would have been unpleasant to us it would ultimately have been accepted id reckon. We don't want anyone at our club that doesn't want to be here. If he didn't appreciate the backup and respect he received at our club then good luck. I'm not naïve to how cutthroat football can be but there is certain limitations to what is deemed acceptable conduct even among rival clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Yeah looks an interesting signing. We have been lacking a good goal scorer since Christy Fagan left. Hoping he can fulfil the role.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
I will say one thing in partial defence of Stephen O’Donnell. He is a footballer learning to be a manager. He couldn’t have been expected to have been expert in the implications of contracts. If, as Pats claim (and if they’re quoting dates of meetings I presume they have their evidence) he was in negotiations with Dundalk for some time while supposed to be acting in the best interest of his employer, the spotlight needs to fall on the new owners of Dundalk - successful businessmen who understand the law and appear to have wilfully steered him into the mess in which he now finds himself.
A lot of us would have been worried that Hoban would have gone to Pats, if SOD was still there, that would have been a game changer loss for us, same time would been unbelievable signing for you, so relieved when he extended by 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Aodh Dervin to Shels….
Id imagine that is the next step if the initial proceedings are found in favour of St Pats. I think his agent has a lot a blame on his desk either way how the ruling goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
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Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Unilateral contact extensions are a legal minefield. Check out this blogQuote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
https://www.asser.nl/SportsLaw/Blog/...-saverio-spera
I'm sure there are many possible arguments as to why they may be difficult to enforce but they do exist. A high profile case for example would be Pogba who is still at United because they triggered an extension of an extra year, and he was apparently ****ed off that they didn't offer a proper new contract at the time.
Everton and Harps going by his Twitter Bio, fortunately he stays away from Conspiracy theories or weird statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B
How did he do for Longford last season, seemed to be their Star Man in the First and is a good signing for ShelsQuote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
There’s nothing unilateral about activating an extension already provided for in a mutually agreed contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Contracts work exactly as they are written. If SOD agreed to give pats an option to extend his contract then that's itQuote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Verbal v signed is a completely different case surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I think at this stage Pats & Dundalk fans should agree to a Christmas truce on the issue & leave this thread to LOI fans with their signings. The courts will decide the toss in the new year.
Try telling Dundalk fans that lol. The long and short of it is the none of us know the truth of the specifics so we'll have to see what happens. However I'm glad it's been at least semi-proven to be the case that what certain Pats fans had claimed was the root of the issue is so, and Dundalk fans in the interim can worry about Keith Ward getting his penalty down from space in time for pre-season training, which will probably be taken over a zoom call as his head coach will reside in Mountjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCSIL
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Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Well that lasted 7 minutes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Those minutes were a simpler time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
If, as O’Donnell claims, the original contract contained provisions for it to be terminated with a set notice period then does it really matter whether the extension was activated or not?