Four-year run of results spells out size of job ahead (rte.ie)
Some food for thought....
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Four-year run of results spells out size of job ahead (rte.ie)
Some food for thought....
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
I'm in shock with his mentality, he keeps on saying we were brilliant in Slovakia and Serbia, we got knocked out and beaten. The word brilliant should never be used in defeat. its very worrying
top goalscorer during those 4 years of competitive games, Shane Duffy with 4, followed by Daryl Murphy with 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Demesne Lad
He's played 583 minutes this season for Kyiv. equivilant to 6.5 out of 19 games, and scored twice for them. He's hardly what you would call an in-form striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I doubt it was fluke that we are lined up to face Andorra in the summer. FAI desperately trying to get a win for Kenny.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
To give a bit of context to the claim SK makes that we played brilliantly in Slovakia (we didn't, and they were awful) they have drawn their opening two games, in Cyprus and home to Malta.
Now now have some mercy on MO'N , Iceland were a much higher ranked team than Ireland at that time and 2nd seeds in WC qual as opposed to Ireland's 4th seed. Even if was just the Iceland B team that took the field, there was a serious gulf in class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
The poor man just looks lost out there. Needs to be put out of his misery before the summer in my opinion. It won't happen of course, but it's just a case of delaying the inevitable until the autumn to save a few quid on a replacement.
I think it only makes sense to give SK this training camp and one more round of qualifiers at least.
Most of our failings long pre date him and whilst the Luxembourg performance was inexcusable in a more general sense he hasn’t been able to call on the squad he wants and has been forced to bring in a ridiculous number of inexperienced players.
There is no sense acting now. A training camp with a full compliment and now settled coaching team hopefully in June and go from there.
The only place we are going under Kenny is down the seeding pots, making it harder when a proper manager comes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
I don’t buy this narrative. Looking at pots 2-5, I wouldn’t care what teams were in our group apart from Turkey and Poland.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
I think it would be daft to get rid of Kenny this quickly but he seriously needs to control his interviews a bit better. Both pre-match and post-match last night were kind of hard to watch, talking about Luxembourg not deserving their win beforehand and the 'people coming out of the woodwork' stuff was a little surreal afterwards. Reciting his (low level) CV as if he's Jose Mourihno took the biscuit though, it's only giving people sticks to beat him with. He came across desperate and stressed rather than in control imo.
Yeah, if he thinks Luxembourg didn't deserve that win, we didn't watch the same game. A draw would have been fair enough, but they definitely shaded it. Luxembourg ****ing shaded it against us. He can bluster all he likes, but he should be deeply ashamed of that performance.
I'm not selling a narrative. You wouldn't be worried about Switzerland, Wales, Sweden, Austria, Ukraine, Serbia, Slovakia or Romania when we can't even scrape a draw with Luxembourg at home??Quote:
Originally Posted by lofty9
Never, all very average teams that can be beaten by the next campaign no matter what pot we are in.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
It's only in our psyche to be fearful of the teams in the pots below us;)
Slovakia was pennos, fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
But saying we were brilliant in Serbia is indeed something that Roy Keane or Paul McGrath or Johnny Giles would never have tolerated. Especially when you always knew Serbia had another goal in them if they needed it.
I can't help but think that this kind of loser mentality is filtering through to the players.
I want us to play good football. I hate hoofball. But to play good football you have to want it, and you have to have the mentality that you are going to go out there and win. That's how we played so well when Keane was captain. We were never afraid to pass the ball and we were never afraid of the opposition.
he said it again after the Qatar match. its utterly unacceptable to say we were brilliant v Serbia......WE LOST!
i would leave him for the rest of the campaign regardless of results and then judge the entire as a body of work.
We are not going to qualify anyway and if you look at an entire campaign for signs of progress and development it is a fair judgement.
Right now he can claim bad luck injuries etc etc with some justification to be fair.......a full campaign with no improvement or REAL signs of progress and its time to pull the plug.
Slovakia went onto qualify for the Euros - beating NI 2-1 in Windsor park and Beat Russia at home last night. I'm not saying its great we lost or anything but when providing context, provide full context.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
In fairness I posted that before they beat Russia. Not too easy to add context for future events. I still think they played badly against us in Slovakia but anyway, largely irrelevant now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Apologies zero re. Russia result. I'm great for that ; pointing out something only for the opposite to happen an hour later etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
Still though Slovakia did qualify for the euros - they had a poor NL campaign albeit better than us. I thought our performance out there was good and I felt we had the better chances. On their day a decent side.
Something we struggle with is putting performances together and we are not alone. - 3 internationals in 6 days is really tough. Serbia only for a bit of magic from Mitrovic would have dropped points in Baku yesterday. You see it all over Europe - Slovakia were 2-0 down v Malta before squeaking a point but a few days later beat Russia. Turkey beat Netherlands and Norway but undid a bit of the good work by drawing at home to Latvia. I'm sure there will be other examples - France / Ukraine / Bosnia all play their 3rd game in 6 days tonight. The only country that seems immune to it was Belgium - who put their reserves out against Belarus and thumped them 8-0. They look really strong. Anyway a bit of a tangent to illustrate the difficultly a new squad faces in the environment we find ourselves in. We have a 3 game window in Sept but the windows in Oct / Nov are 2 game windows.
3 Games in 6 Days is definitely suited for the Big Footballing Countries that could field three teams if necessary !Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
To be honest I've more time for a manager who doesn't 5hit on his players in public, even if it tends towards defending the indefensible. Would people prefer that Kenny picks a scapegoat of the match and destroys him, the way Mourinho does?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
No I would not, but he isn't blaming anyone or anything, he is saying we were brilliant which isn't even correct regardless of the defeatQuote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
Which I take as a manager saying publicly the things his players need to know are being said publicly. We don't know what he says behind closed doors. I don't recall who it was who said that Alex Ferguson never admitted that a Man Utd team ever played a bad game no matter how bad the shellacking. It's probably an over-stated observation. Still, a surefire way to lose your dressingroom is to start carping and criticising. Right now we've a squad as low on confidence as can be imagined - they need to be built up to get some self-belief back, even if the manager himself doesn't believe what he's saying. (Half the time I'm giving feedback to students I don't believe what I'm saying!:o) I'm sure Kenny can see that Irish football right now is a 5hit sandwich and he's strugling to find the bread, but the players don't need to hear him say that.
The more often you say something the more hollow it sounds. Not many seem to have picked up on kennys use of the world brilliant and "we should have won". It's very worrying when a manager comes out saying those sort of things. I also saw the same problems against Qatar the last day where we drop off in midfield and give too much space, no one closes down and the centres are withdrawing, but if kenny still thinks we are brilliant that's a massive concern.
There's only so long he can get away with kicking the can down the road and saying how things will change, before people grow tired of that.
How many times has he used those words Paul? Are you keeping track?
He's used the word brilliant quite a lot, not just about the performances, like he said before Slovakia, and also the players attitude. I'm referring though to the Serbia game when he said we played brilliant, possibly superb was used too. He also said it about the Slovaka game, or if not brilliant a word to that effect.
The point is we haven't played brilliant or superb or any other similar superlative to describe those performances. We have been poor throughout his reign thus far.
Kenny needs media training but the thing is, he needed it 20 years ago. It would be one hell of a challenge to improve him now = = probably not impossible.
Not impossible at all. I think he's unlikely to ever have a Gary Lineker TV presence, but there are loads of firms in Dublin alone that do media training for executives. I'd fault the FAI for not picking up on this, but is it still Cathal Dervan heading up their comms? No surprise if so.
He definitely needs it. His performance after the Qatar game was cringe worthy. His comments at the end of the interview were ill-advised and counter productive.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
His ending was brilliant. Bite, conviction and passion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
His "I'm used to winning" sounded desperate and pathetic. The "critics coming out of the woodwork" line was ill-considered and downright wrong - he has been relatively well treated by the media despite his results. This is not a personal attack on Stephen Kenny - just a statement of the bleeding obvious: he needs help with the media. It's standard industry practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I've done up a couple of rooms in a flat before, I'm not going around telling everyone that I'm an architect and my record as an architect proves itself because I've done up a bathroom and a living room.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Everything he had, we don't have on the pitch. If only he could transfer some of that to the players :) Any winning record would do, regardless of the opposition too !
That's how I saw it too. An act of a desperate man but he actually hasn't been backed into a corner as much as his 'come out fighting' approach would have suggested. As you say, the media have been remarkably gentle, all things considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Just as well Dunphy & co. have got the boot if he reacts like that in the current circumstances. And yes, the Dundalk/U21's stuff was just lobbing one up for his detractors to laugh their arses off at him, and I say this as somebody who is completely rooting for the guy, but I ended up watching that interview through my fingers.
Kenny’s not media savvy and he stumbled through the bulk of that interview. But in stating his belief in himself and his players, he spoke with convincing clarity and strength because it came from the heart. That’s the bite, that’s the conviction, that’s the passion speaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
I'm sorry but he doesn't come across well at all in interviews. It may be harsh but his interviews reminds me of Staunton's. The end of that interview reminded me of the infamous ' I'm the gaffer' speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWq-16pi50
Architect?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Couldn't think of more polar opposites to be honest. Kenny is thoughtful and methodical in expressing his views. Staunton was anything but. An odd comparison in my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
And I don't buy he is not media savvy either. I actually think he is very deliberate about what he says. As he was when Dundalk manager.
They both look extremely uncomfortable in front of the camera, they both have long pauses in their sentences and they both do anything but inspire confidence in their abilities. Staunton also blamed injuries and the media for his problems and felt he should have been allowed continue as Ireland manager, let's hope it doesn't go the same way for Kenny but so far their reigns have huge similarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid