poor season year before last and was alrite at best last year, still as clumsy as fck
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poor season year before last and was alrite at best last year, still as clumsy as fck
That's your quota of hyperbole for the year used up and it's only february!Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
wats that? and its true dunne is a terrible defender, hes lucky trap plays so defensive or he would be found out time and time again
Not sure what 'Richard Dunne' you were watching (maybe you were staring at a box of Sugar Puffs) but he was largely brilliant last year. As his fellow professionals agreed. For someone so 'clumsy' he's done well to have such a long, highly respectable career at the highest level..Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
ask any villa fan they want him out of the team and hes just gonna keep getting worse. i can see sven picking him up during the summer
I think your signature sums up just how skewed your judgement is.
I'm a Villa fan. So I know the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
1) Richard Dunne was brilliant last season and hasn't been great this year, his form compounded by the general mess that has been Villa's back four, not to mention some disastrous mismanagement from Houllier. Excepting last night, however, his form has improved quite a bit. He's been much better than Collins and would benefit from having Cuellar beside him.
2) The majority of Villa fans are clueless muppets.
SSN are reporting that Richard Dunne is out injured for about a month with a shoulder injury picked up during the week against Man City. Bad news indeed. Who will replace him for Ireland.
Coleman, St. Ledger, O'Shea, Clark for me but for Trapattoni it will probably be O'Shea, St. Ledger, Clark, KilbaneQuote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
so no given, dunne or keane. v bad news for usQuote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
FCUK!! probably our most indispensable player at the moment. Hopefully the time out will not be as long as anticipated.
Yup, after Given and Keane our last real leader on the pitch. Pretty much guarantees Kilbane will start for that alone.
Hmm maybe not so bad. 3 weeks is just about doable. Trap will probably call him up and leave it down to the wire.
Aston Villa defender Richard Dunne will be out of action for up to a month with a shoulder problem, the club have confirmed.
Dunne suffered the setback during Villa's 3-0 defeat against Manchester City in the FA Cup on Wednesday.
Villa boss Gerard Houllier confirmed: "Unfortunately, we're going to lose Richard Dune for three to four weeks with a shoulder problem.
"The good thing is, we haven't got many games during that period."
year before last he'd still have been with City. Interesting stat I heard - new years day 2009 (his last NYD at City) City had conceded just 10 goals away while Villa had conceded 27. New years day 2010 Villa had conceded 10 goals and City had shipped 27. The one constant in all this -Mr. Richard Dunne.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
If Dunne is out I'd go for:
Foley-JOS-SSL-Kilbane
Kilbane for the experience & leadership, as noted above.
I think Trap rates Kelly over Foley though. Foley just shades it over Coleman for me because he's a defender first & foremost.
I thought you said he played well the other night?Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
The last few back fours look awful dodgy to say the least. But we cant do anything about it. Its almost 4 weeks away, Im confident dunney will be fit if houllier lets him go.
I get excited when i think about the players we have, then when one player like this is out, i think we are in dire straits.
The only plus is that its the home game they are out for and not the away game.
I still wouldn't give up hope of Dunne making the game.
He did play well the other night - post you've quoted is from over a month ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Bit of a disaster - three of our 'big four' possibly gone. Definitely hope Duff is wrapped in cotton wool now. As has been mentioned, there's still a good chance he'll play. Dunney Monster has regularly played through the pain barrier and if he's anywhere near fit he'll be itching for the game and Trap will probably start him.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that isn't right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
This is Dunne's away record with City up until January 1st, 2009
Total goals conceded away from home - 16Code:Home Away
Date Competition Team Goals Goals Team
17-Jul-2008 UEFA Cup EB Streymur 0 2 Manchester City
28-Aug-2008 UEFA Cup Midtjylland 0 1 Manchester City
31-Aug-2008 Premier League Sunderland 0 3 Manchester City
18-Sep-2008 UEFA Cup Omonia Nicosia 1 2 Manchester City
24-Sep-2008 English League Cup Brighton and Hove Albion 2 2 Manchester City
28-Sep-2008 Premier League Wigan 2 1 Manchester City
20-Oct-2008 Premier League Newcastle 2 2 Manchester City
29-Oct-2008 Premier League Middlesbrough 2 0 Manchester City
2-Nov-2008 Premier League Bolton 2 0 Manchester City
27-Nov-2008 UEFA Cup Schalke 0 2 Manchester City
6-Dec-2008 Premier League Fulham 1 1 Manchester City
21-Dec-2008 Premier League West Bromwich Albion 2 1 Manchester City
28-Dec-2008 Premier League Blackburn 2 2 Manchester City
If you just restrict it to League games it's
Total league goals conceded away from home - 13Code:Home Away
Date Competition Team Goals Goals Team
31-Aug-2008 Premier League Sunderland 0 3 Manchester City
28-Sep-2008 Premier League Wigan 2 1 Manchester City
20-Oct-2008 Premier League Newcastle 2 2 Manchester City
29-Oct-2008 Premier League Middlesbrough 2 0 Manchester City
2-Nov-2008 Premier League Bolton 2 0 Manchester City
6-Dec-2008 Premier League Fulham 1 1 Manchester City
21-Dec-2008 Premier League West Bromwich Albion 2 1 Manchester City
28-Dec-2008 Premier League Blackburn 2 2 Manchester City
Villa's away games from the same period are
Total goals conceded away from home - 18Code:Home Away
Date Competition Team Goals Goals Team
19-Jul-2008 Inter Toto Cup Odense 2 2 Aston Villa
14-Aug-2008 UEFA Cup FH Hafnarfjordur 1 4 Aston Villa
23-Aug-2008 Premier League Stoke City 3 2 Aston Villa
15-Sep-2008 Premier League Tottenham 1 2 Aston Villa
18-Sep-2008 UEFA Cup Litex Lovech 1 3 Aston Villa
21-Sep-2008 Premier League West Bromwich Albion 1 2 Aston Villa
5-Oct-2008 Premier League Chelsea 2 0 Aston Villa
26-Oct-2008 Premier League Wigan 0 4 Aston Villa
3-Nov-2008 Premier League Newcastle 2 0 Aston Villa
6-Nov-2008 UEFA Cup Slavia Prague 0 1 Aston Villa
15-Nov-2008 Premier League Arsenal 0 2 Aston Villa
7-Dec-2008 Premier League Everton 2 3 Aston Villa
17-Dec-2008 UEFA Cup SV Hamburg 3 1 Aston Villa
20-Dec-2008 Premier League West Ham 0 1 Aston Villa
30-Dec-2008 Premier League Hull City 0 1 Aston Villa
City's record up until January 1st, 2010
Total goals conceded - 14Code:Home Away
Date Competition Team Goals Goals Team
15-Aug-2009 Premier League Blackburn 0 2 Manchester City
27-Aug-2009 English League Cup Crystal Palace 0 2 Manchester City
30-Aug-2009 Premier League Portsmouth 0 1 Manchester City
20-Sep-2009 Premier League Manchester United 4 3 Manchester City
5-Oct-2009 Premier League Aston Villa 1 1 Manchester City
18-Oct-2009 Premier League Wigan 1 1 Manchester City
1-Nov-2009 Premier League Birmingham City 0 0 Manchester City
21-Nov-2009 Premier League Liverpool 2 2 Manchester City
12-Dec-2009 Premier League Bolton 3 3 Manchester City
16-Dec-2009 Premier League Tottenham 3 0 Manchester City
28-Dec-2009 Premier League Wolverhampton Wanderers 0 3 Manchester City
Note that Dunne did play in the first away game against Blackburn
And finally, Richard Dunne's games with Villa up until January 1st, 2010
Total goals conceded away from home - 12Code:Home Away
Date Competition Team Goals Goals Team
13-Sep-2009 Premier League Birmingham City 0 1 Aston Villa
26-Sep-2009 Premier League Blackburn 2 1 Aston Villa
24-Oct-2009 Premier League Wolverhampton Wanderers 1 1 Aston Villa
27-Oct-2009 English League Sunderland 0 0 Aston Villa
31-Oct-2009 Premier League Everton 1 1 Aston Villa
4-Nov-2009 Premier League West Ham 2 1 Aston Villa
21-Nov-2009 Premier League Burnley 1 1 Aston Villa
1-Dec-2009 English League Portsmouth 2 4 Aston Villa
12-Dec-2009 Premier League Manchester United 0 1 Aston Villa
15-Dec-2009 Premier League Sunderland 0 2 Aston Villa
27-Dec-2009 Premier League Arsenal 3 0 Aston Villa
If you remove the two league cup games then it's 10 goals conceded away from home
It's a loss (experience wise) but only if we bring in Kilbane. The squad is big enough now to cope. The back four should be
Foley St Ledger O'Shea Clark
feeling the heat tets?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
just thought it was a little odd for two teams to have conceded the same amount of goals, so I checked it outQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Lesson: don't cite errant facts around tets. He will destroy you.
That's why I mentioned it -because it was odd. I'm trying to recall where I came across that stat but it stuck in the mind exactly because it was odd to the point of remarkable. I think it was Off the Ball or Lawro on the Last Word. What happens if you calculate just on games Dunne appeared in I wonder? (though that'll be most of them anyway I imagine).Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Dunne and Collins apologise for something that happened during the week at Villa.
Aston Villa defenders James Collins and Richard Dunne have issued apologies after clashing with the club's coaching staff.
The News of the World reported that the pair were critical of some of manager Gerard Houllier's coaching staff during a team break at a Spa in Leicestershire.
"I apologise unreservedly for my behaviour on Wednesday night. It was not acceptable and I am genuinely sorry," Dunne told the newspaper.
Collins added: "We were wrong. This should not have happened and I apologise for the part I played."
The club are now due to launch a review of the incident, with a spokesman adding: "We have launched an investigation in line with our internal disciplinary procedures."
Press Association
Villa are a shambles under Houllier. The mans a clown
I'm not clear why you would blame Houlier for this!Quote:
Originally Posted by cornflakes
“Two players who were p*****d up had, let’s say, a frank exchange of views,” said a source. “There was an open bar which had been agreed by Gerard Houllier.
“They launched a stinging attack on the backroom boys. There was a disagreement with members of the coaching staff and both players have had to apologise.”
It is not the first time that Dunne has landed in hot water for his views on tactics. Last year he launched an expletive-ridden rant at assistant manager Gary McAllister on the training pitch. He was dropped from the side, and later apologised.
Manager Gerard Houllier is thought to be dismayed at the players’ antics after a season in which his side have struggled in both league and cup competitions.
The excursion had been organised to boost club morale after a difficult season that has been fraught with tension. The players took part in a paintballing exercise during the day but in the evening things threatened to get out of hand when, after dinner and out of sight of the public, a heated row broke out"
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b...#ixzz1GW1nckfo
Dunne out at the top of this page takes on a different meaning!
Its on the BBC gossip page today that his days at Villa are numbered. And with Houllier having been backed to the tune of 18 million for Bent, it looks like they are going to give him some time to put his own stamp on things there. Enough time to get rid of Dunne anyway.
I am not at all shocked to learn that Dunne and Collins enjoy a few pints and are prone to losing the rag. Surprised Houllier agreed to an open bar though.
This story is getting serious traction in The Sun and Mirror.
Believe what they say and it sounds incredibly serious - Dunne so drunk he can't remember saying anything, although he allegedly made disparaging remarks about Houllier, the coaches and Fabian Delph. Villa seeking to fine the players 4-6 weeks wages and telling them to bring a lawyer to a meeting on Wednesday.
On the other hand, it's could easily be a load of made up nonsense. Either way it's not good news for Ireland, and the rumours of Dunne's drinking becoming problematic again has cropped up a few times in recent months.
Well if it does happen, at least he got us Clark from his time at Villa.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Looks like the trip has been a success if it has cleared the air.
I was reading on the guardian comments page last night that the Villa forums been buzzing about Dunne hitting the booze the last few months.
An open bar for a bunch of footballers = jager bomb time.
The club does sound like a mess though. I was reading somewhere last night that they weren't allowed to practice defending set pieces yet they continue to concede this way.......baffling.
Oldest trick in the book when you want to get rid of certain players. These disagreements/rants happen at every club and it is usually kept inside the ropes. Houllier wants Dunne out and is using the media to sway Villa fans. Houllier was blaming MON last week for Villa's recent defensive errors (as if Houllier is not really the manager now). Some rubbish about zonal marking under O'Neill. Laughable stuff. I'd say Dunne will be delighted if he gets away from Houlllier and Villa. Houllier has Villa rocketing towards the championship. And their head scout has quit after only 3 months in the job. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news...cle713550.html
It's not that simple. Rumour is the club are furious because there's someone, likely a player, leaking a lot of stuff to the press, and it doesn't make sense for Houllier to be giving the media any more Villa scandal than he needs to (not that he hasn't already given them plenty with his nonsense quotes). Besides, he doesn't have to sway the Villa fans much, Dunne's performances haven't exactly endeared him much this year...Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Regardless the incident, while not uncommon in football clubs, is still about Dunne getting blind drunk and slagging a bunch of people off ie being totally unprofessional. He's 31-years-old and should know better.
Except he's not the first and won't be the last.
Maybe some of you have also forgotten his nationality??
I'm with you Swan. It cannot be Houillier because these kind of stories make him out to sound like a manager who has lost the dressing room. He's gonna be hounded about this all week by the press and it is the last thing he wants before a crunch game with Wolves.
Who went to the press last week and blamed Martin O'Neill for Villa's current defensive problems? And it has to be said Dunne is only one of many players at Villa who have had run ins with Houlliers style of management (or non-management). Warnock, Collins, Petrov and others. And the table is not lying. I bet Dunne (and Collins)will have a completely different take on what supposedly happened last week. And Dunne was brought back into the Villa side after the first row and looked their best player.
Don't get me wrong Noely, I'm no Houllier supporter. His comments on the team have ranged from baffling to infuriating. He's alienated half the squad. And it seems certain Villa's training regime, and lack of focus on defending set-pieces, is causing serious problems for the team. I have no problem with Dunne (or any other player) raising these issues, forcefully if needs be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Unfortunately doing so while drunk during a team jolly was not the time or the place.
I certainly agree with you on the drunken part SvsD.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton