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Disappointing but not surprising if those are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Zayed posted on twitter that we are signing a centre half, Colin Falvey from his team in the US. From Cork, 32 years old, looks interesting from the highlights on youtube but those can be misleading. Definitely need more options there with Dunleavy out for the year and Alan Bennett being held together by chewing gum, toilet paper and sheer determination. Plus the yoga.
Garvan's a good player but Pats need a centre half , two full backs and a captain who will drive/intimidate his own team mates as much as the opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
You're not wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
A defensive midfielder as well would be nice
Clifford rumoured to be leaving us with Bray interested, be ideal for Pats
Has he not done well with you guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Nope. Short back and sides.
Be ideal for Dundalk also if he left !Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Dundalk are under-performing this season and Clifford has not become a regular in the side. Says it all reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Why on earth did we only give him a one year contract? Get an extension on the table asapQuote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
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Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Surprised at you believing what the Sun prints, in fairness they always have a bit of the story but rarely all the facts.
We'll know if thats true when the transfer happens if it does
Nah I don't believe the sun loads of other news places are saying expires at the end of this season too, I hope they're just quoting the sun and haven't checkedQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The LOI coverage in the Irish Sun is usually quite well informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
http://readsouthampton.com/2017/06/2...trevor-clarke/Quote:
Southampton Football Club have made a bid in the region of £1 million to sign Shamrock Rovers youngster Trevor Clarke, we understand.
A million quid would do nicely thank you very muchQuote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Sounds to good to be true. Unusual for a loi club to get anything approaching what a player is worth. Having said that if clarke gets some game time in the UK he will be on the plane to Russia next summer.
Would be absolutely groundbreaking if true,About time good players here were properly valued.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Find it hard to believe myself. English clubs know they don't have to spend anything near that amount of money here. Only way I could see it happening is if a real bidding war developed between two clubs. I think English clubs view signings from the league here as bargain basement stuff that they can afford to take a risk on, knowing that it doesn't cost much. They also know most clubs here are not in a position to turn down say 1-2 hundred grand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Slight adjustment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
By all accounts he's on a one-year deal. He's been here for two years, so if he leaves in the winter it's €120-150k. It's not really worth Rovers' while selling him four months early for that kind of money, but I imagine if they doubled it it'd be tempting. I'd love for us just to keep him as our on-field performance is worth the difference in cash, especially if he was the difference between winning a game in Europe or finishing in the top three.
Why would any team in England pay even a fraction of that now when they know they can get him for 'free' in October? He's under 23 so they would only have to pay the usual compensation amount.
Well I don't see 200k being out of the equation. If the 60k per year thing is accurate it's pretty much just an extra 80k to make sure he doesn't sign a new contract and nobody else comes in for him and for a Premier league club anything under a million is pocket money so I'd say they'd be more than happy to pay a bit moreQuote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Dont forget there is a loan to be repaid ;) 200K would be a good amount to get for a player considering the way players leave and full solidarity payments are squirmed out of. Clarke is a good player and a great prospect but without him Rovers should still get through a round in Europe, I may rue saying this but 2nd and 3rd will be beyond Rovers even with him; the cup is a better chance of Europe or one of the sides above win the cup and finish 4th. Either way 150k is well worth taking for the sake of 4 months. 2 maybe even 3 good players could be signed with a fee around that and while may not be the quality of Clarke would do a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
There is no "Rovers should get through a round in Europe" with or without Clarke. We lost to Rops last year and Stjarnan are a better side. Whether Clarke leaves now or in November, the compensation will be a decent chunk of the loan ahead of schedule.
For the record, Rovers will get 120-150 if he goes in the winter, depending on how it's calculated. It's whatever a team would hypothetically offer to bring that forward four months that is the issue.
Couple of links some might be interested to get a rough guidline of what a club would get for training compensation (2nd link). Solidarity payments are different as it involves a transfer fee rather than U23 and end of contract situation that our clubs seem to face most often. Our league is Category 2, 3 and 4 2016 (1st link). I dont think this was posted before anyways?!
http://resources.fifa.com/mm/documen...ty_neutral.pdf
I whacked in a few different sets of details and former clubs and years etc. A Trevor Clarke like Training compensation, for example, as per the details on the Rovers website using this calculator was €95k for 2 years at Rovers and 1 at a schoolboy club prior to a move to Middlesborough in 2011. So 65k for 2 years at Rovers and 30k for Schoolboys club. It didnt include time at Middlesborough, not totally sure why but I had the signing to another Championship club so maybe it is to do with that. Im not trying to suggest that figures mentioned above are wrong or anything like that as while the calculator seems legit i may have details wrong and it is probably more a guide. Bit of fun if people want to see what they'd have cost to be trained and dreanmt about get signed for a top English club or something.
http://trainingcompensationcalculato...aign=upper_cta
Guide on how things are worked out.
http://blog.fieldoo.com/2014/05/the-...otball-part-1/
http://blog.fieldoo.com/2014/06/the-...otball-part-2/
Its a back handed compliment in thinking that Rovers should get through their first round tie. I would think that Bradley and the team are thinking that they should progress and not arrogantly either. Last season was very different for Rovers as they were struggling at that point under Fenlon and confidence was at a low ebb. Fenlon wasnt that great as a manager imo certainly relative to the quality of teams and the resources that were available to him at the time. Yes there was the KR, Split, Deportivo fantastic run but there was also losing to Hibs Malta and the 9-0 hammering by Malmo when at Hibs and after Drogheda had run them close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Apologies that the above is off topic i forgot which thread i was in.
Realistically a million seems mad but if a few teams are looking at him the 3 or 400 is posSible. When you look at past transfers that would represent good business.
Big question is, how long is he under contract. If its until 2019 then 400-500k compensation is not beyond the bounds of possibility. If its Nov 17 then 120k tops I reckon.
The problem is, English clubs just don't pay that type of money to Irish clubs and probably never will. It was rumoured Dundalk turned down a 6 figure offer for Towell in the summer of the 2015 double winning season, probably valuing him far more important to stick around to secure the league and get through 2 rounds in Europe. Brighton then only had to wait for his contract to run down, he was over 23 so he didn't cost them a cent in Nov.
Also, any young Irish player who thinks he has a decent chance of a move will generally only sign a one year deal to make themselves more attractive for a move.
He's under contract with us until Nov 2019- so if he's going soon we'll get a decent fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Would Rovers block a move if he wanted to leave to a decent club in England and they played a take it or leave it card?
As has been said here;
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/socc...fetch-10664663Quote:
It wasn’t publicly announced - and still hasn’t been - but we understand the club’s hottest prospect is tied to Rovers until the end of the 2019 season.
Ryan Delaney staying with us until the end of the season. Glad that was sorted out.
Well this obviously changes things then. However the English club can still offer a modest fee in the expectation that the player will be wanting to move regardless of the fee. There always seems to be a price to buy from an Irish club v a lower league club in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
I'd agree though that Rovers should get a decent fee if he goes.
Yeah I could have sworn he signed a new contract at the start of the year, would have been mad to just be a year deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
To be honest rovers don't really need the money, having the club not owned by members isn't ideal but it's not too bad when the other party is also a fan and an experienced business man. Once we qualify for Europe again I'd think we're in a position where we can hold out for a reasonable fee and add ons. A million seems a bit much but with him under contract 500k+ doesn't seem too mad, that's nothing for Premier league clubs.
Once again Neil O'Riordan shows why he's easily the worst LOI journalist out there. A phone call to the club to check his "facts" before running the story should be the least he could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
The club is majority owned by members through the 400 club (to be fair you could say 100% as Ray Wilson is a lifelong fan and member (his Dad was on the board and family have been involved with Rovers for decades).Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
We don't NEED the money but as Trevor will likely go at some point then makes sense to get as much as possible.
This is all just speculation and one media report quoting another, all will be revealed soon I guess......I hope we get to keep him until the end of the season in any deal that's done if there is one
About a club where successive managers have whinged about their budget (did Croly say Rovers had the 4th highest or 4th lowest in the league?) and the resultant spending limitations, that comment gave me a good chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Of course every club should try to maximise transfer revenue, but there is not a club in country who "don't need the money"
Croly said Rovers had the fourth highest. Think it was Caulfield who said his team had a budget 1/4 of the size of the rest of the top four.
Shock horror manager complains he could spend more money. Gave me a good chuckle that.