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Was that post game though? He's been waving the Doherty stick for some time. He usually hides a particular stick when the weather changes (i.e. when we win good).Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
The old dog has lost a lot of bite impact since he lost his profile platform, influencer supreme on the rte pundit seat. He's been replaced by Sadlier to some extent as man of the people.
Now Dunphy is railing from the backwaters.
Wasn't too sure which thread to ask this in, just wondering if the documentary on rte last night was a repeat? Its getting a lot of discussion today but I'm fairly sure I saw it before, or something very similar at least!
no, I'm pretty sure it was an original, but it did cover a lot of the same ground that was in the "Green is the colour" documentary from a few years ago
Thanks, I'd say that's what I am thinking on so. I thought it might have been on around the centenary of the Easter Rising, but maybe its further back than that. The old memory isn't what it used to be!
Does anyone have any idea where that documentary can be watched online? I'm based in Switzerland and RTE Player wouldn't let me tune in live. Now I can't seem to find it anywhere!
Will George "Oh Danger here!" Hamilton ever learn ? Spain 3-1 up against Croatia and he says it's all over as he has said on numerous occasions in the past only proven to be wrong. Why does it bother me? I suppose it dates back to Bulgaria v Scotland and Scotland take the lead. George says, showing off his German, "It's time to open our Deutsche Reisebuch" (German tour guide) or something like that and in the next breath the Bulgars hit the post. No sooner have I stopped screaming at him he says we should start opening the champagne bottles and the next minute the Scots keeper saves one on the line. Why does he think that once a team gets in the lead that's it ? How many games have we seen a team down and out come back? Really bizarre or perhaps it's all part of the show.
Speaking of the Panel, I was left a bit open mouth when Duff commentating on Sterling said: "let's call a spade a spade" or perhaps it is only my generation who remember the word spade as a pejorative term for a black person. His anti-English bias was a bit cringeworthy albeit representing the feelings of most of his audience.
In fairness to Hamilton he wasn't alone in thinking the game finished at 3-1, and I don't just mean because of the scoreline. I certainly thought the Croatians looked totally beaten after the third went in, not a bit of fight left. Not the first time they've shown an incredible ability to muster up resilience.
I had never heard of that phrase from a racial context. I found this interesting article just now - https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...=1625061136577 - and am definitely going to try and use "let's call a fig a fig and a trough a trough" in future!
Did Hamilton ever play sport himself ? People who have played competitive sport don’t give up that easy !Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
George knows, and George knows we know.
I think he gets off on triggering mass anxiety across a nation over that Poland game all those years ago.
I'm a similar enough age to Duffer, and while I've vaguely heard of it (I think in the phrase "as black as the ace of spades" - does it have independent meaning?!) I've never heard it used. It wouldn't shock me if he'd never heard of it. Even if he had, he likely said it before thinking. No big deal, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I didnt know this but he is from the unionist community, he is 100% irish anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
That's your generation. The fact that he can say that without anyone batting an eyelid means progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Also, I recall Duff saying he was delighted for Kane in the last game breaking his goal duck so I don't think he's that anti-English. Perhaps more pro-Irish
Didnt see this so just reading this now. Obviously an innocent mistake but I'm pretty sure if someone said that on the panel of one the UK stations, they'd never work on tv againQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
FWIW I’d be a half a generation younger than Duffer I guess and I don’t think I’ve ever heard that term before reading it here...
It appears to be something which has thankfully been left behind
I'm surprised that nobody has heard the saying. I've heard it said often and used it myself. The context is, a spade is a spade, it's not a fork, not a rake, call a spade a spade - don't over complicate a description, just say it straight out. There's absolutely no connection with that saying to the derogatory word for African Americans.
Context defines the meaning of a word, if you eliminate context from a language there's very little left apart from a dogma. Cherry picking a word from one context and placing it in another context in order to blacken a person is disingenuous and cynical.
Yeah, I'm also very surprised to hear about this "controversy" as I've heard it said a million times. To me, it just means "tell it like it is."
People who automatically think of black people when they hear the word “spade” are actually the problem vs a phrase that’s been around since the sixteenth century.
Calling a spade a spade isn't a racist term, anymore than having a hand of spades in poker is, or calling something as black as the ace of spades. It's a figure of speech that predates the racist use of spade by a full five centuries. Whether Duff was incautious in saying it it the context of a black player, precisely because it leads to this kind of discussion, is another matter. Personally, I use it frequently - but I would never leave myself hostage to fortune in this way. Because, building on what SkStu implies, people who want to be offended will always look for the brickbats.
This article (NPR) suggests that spade became slang for a black person during the Harlem Renaissance in the 1920s, when it was adopted by black writers. I'm reading Jean Toomer's Cane at the moment (same era) and it's certainly full of phrases that would be problematic in everyday use.
Tonight, from a jaded sounding Liam Brady: "As Richie would say...what can you say?"
Shakespear-ian ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Not enough swearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
EDIT: Oh, William Shakespeare!
Thats the Fella.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Ronnie Whelan, that is a man who just hates everything. He seems to get no joy out of football anymore.
Surely Rte can do better = = But of course being Rte = they can’t !Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
houghton is as bad as whelan, always looking for negative comments. becomes a drag after a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
stephen kelly is best of the three imo
Stephen Kelly sounds like a 10-year old who won a contest to do co-commentary, on the back of a Rice Krispies boxQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
The problem seems to be Rte = = Coddled and Cosseted by the State = = No surprise you end up with sub-standard rubbish broadcasting.
thats actually a harsh criticism of kelly. i find him to be quite informed and enthusiastic about the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
the other two i mentioned are far too negative
It's his voice... it's high pitch or somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Didi and Sadlier are excellent to he fair
Even if the summation of Kelly is 100% accurate he'd still be of more use 14 Ronnie Whelans and 3 Ray Houghtons.
He offers more insight into the actual football than Whelan or Houghton, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
But he still sounds like an excited child
I'd have thought most pundits have higher pitched voices in general. It doesn't really bother me - just glad to have someone who does his research and knows what he's talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
T'would be a lovely little RTE Panel, if only Brady would retire. One game in and I'm already sick of him, the negativity, the sweeping generalisations, the attitude that makes it seem like he would rather be anywhere else. I don't even like Sadlier that much, but he always seems educated about the teams he's watching at least.
Duff, Cunningham, Roy Keane and on occasion Damien Delaney are the only former Ireland internationals of the past 30 years who come across well in punditry for me
Not sure about that. He nominated Qatar as the team to watch. Hadn't he seen them play us ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Enjoying Richie Sadlier and Kevin Doyle partnership this morning. Both positive and well-briefed and interesting and they are riffing well off each other in a way that doesn't occur with cranky Brady or more awkward Cunningham sitting beside either of Doyle or Sadlier or one another.
I like Sadlier. I don't share the enthusiasm for Doyle though. The things he says are generally cogent and well informed, but he has a voice that would be ideal for conveying a message to shoppers over a department store intercom system in the event that a group of priests were trying to escape from the largest lingerie section in Ireland.
Don't think Doyle is great on his own or with a lesser pundit. I think he's being dragged up to a better level by Sadlier. You can tell he is engaged and enthused when Sadlier speaks and he generally supports or counters with a decent point that is delivered in a better manner than normal (i.e. and I don't completely disagree with your description there, although the Wexford accent is a flat one in general).Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
OK that made me laugh - there is definitely a touch of a Fr. Ted character about his voice.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
I like him though!
One concurs on Doyle. I would like to add Gary Breen to my list of former Irish internationals who are worthwhile pundits