Not even on the bench for City today - hope he's not injured. The summer transfer window can't come quick enough.
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Not even on the bench for City today - hope he's not injured. The summer transfer window can't come quick enough.
From the Guardian's Daniel Taylor. It's not good news...
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Mancini post-match press conference: Shay Given has new shoulder injury and may need another operation #MCFC
Sounds like dislocated shoulder again and suggestion he may be out for rest of the season - disaster!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
https://twitter.com/discomirror/status/39358942379380736
Sickener, you're not getting any thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Westwood it is then, 5 weeks to Macedonia.
Supposedly did it in the warmup for Aris on Tuesday
maybe Westwood should of got game time against wales
so glad we've given plenty of game time to Westwood just in case Given gets injured.......FFS.
Same shoulder. Not good at all.
Yeah, the eggs in one basket idiom comes to mind. Should have had a half against Wales in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Westwood was due to play the 2nd half but he strained something in the warm up and decided not to risk it. Let's be fair to Trap.
How is Westwood's form?
I wasn't aware. That's fair enough so.Quote:
Originally Posted by musicinmouth
Coventry fans seem to be in perpetual fear of losing him so he must be doing something right. I did hear a bad mistake mentioned on Sky Sports a week or so ago but I'll be the first to say I haven't been following their games too closely.
I've seen him a few times for Coventry (not the last few games though). Looked OK. Less error prone than Kenny but still a ways to go to get to Given's level when Given is at his best. What a great opportunity for him to cement his place in the team and I'm sure that is how he will look at it. If Shay is not able to make it I would not be worried about Westwood starting. I have a feeling a fair few of us will be trying to watch Coventry's next game. And he is first choice and playing every week.
Westwood's a perfectly decent understudy. I think we're actually reasonably well placed to cope without Shay and Robbie. Despite all the gloom around the team these days I'm not sure we'd have been able to say the same a few years ago. Wayne Henderson never really filled me with any confidence when Shay was injured a few years ago. Westwood is far better.
Agree with that. Westwood has the potential to play in the Premiership and could well keep on improving. And nothing wrong with having two top keepers vying for a spot. Amazing to think the team to start against Macedonia could have 5 or even 6 different players from that which started against Slovakia. Westwood, Clark, Duff, Doyle, Gibson and Coleman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Westwood has been getting plenty game time week in, week out, try to shore up a weak Coventry defence. Given needed that game time against Wales since he hadn't had a game for months (?) but now without possibly Robbie and Shay, we enter unchartered waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
In fairness I think the side has always had a few 'bolters' who've emerged in the long gaps between international games. Andrews, Sledge, Lawrence and the like. We've a decent pool of talent to be calling on at this point, encouragingly enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Blow to lose Shay but I have every faith in Westwood. Tis a bit of a shame he didn't get Wales game time but he could have a very good game. Who'd be the three keepers with no Shay? Anybody think Kenny could get back in or would it still be Brian Murphy?
Murphy broke his ankle a few weeks ago and isn't expected back until the end of March.
I think David Forde was mentioned as being watched a few times by the management team?
Go on David 'Three Fish Suppers' Forde! It's hardly relevant but fourth choice keeper is pretty much up for grabs and with B Murphy out and Kenny likely ignored, he'd be in prime position. Darren Randolph would be another I suppose?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Paddy Kenny should get a call up.
Joe Murphy has traditionally been number 3, no?
Westwood is the stand out candidate. Kenny won't be called up so it could be Murphy, Randolph or Doyle I reckon. What odds on a return for Deano?! Still sub for WBA at the ripe old age of 63.
Was going to post this earlier, but Graham Stack has been getting a run in the last three games for Hibs. They've won all three, and only conceded once, after losing the previous 5 and conceding 8 in those games!
Probably an outside bet (at best) but it's good to see anyway.
Yeah, I'm thinking number four, assuming three keepers would still be called up if Given's missing in the coming months. If Brian Murphy's out, it's between Forde, Randolph and Doyle. And, even with my Derry bias, I'd have Championship number one ahead of an SPL starter and Prem bench warmer/squad player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Now Given at his best is one of the best in the world but recently, through no fault of his own and it pains me to say it, has really shown his ring rustiness in the (competitive) games he's been in, way below his usual standards. In a perfect world he'll get out of City some time soon and put it all behind him but in the meantime it's Westwood's chance to show what he's made of. I hope he's up to it. To tell the truth I'd be nervous whoever was in goals, new guy or bench warmer.
Given out of the Macedonia game , in fact some newspapers are indicating he could have a season ending injury. Kieron Westwood, your opportunity has arrived. Pady Kenny needs a telephone call to back him up.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/...rapattoni.html
given and keane both out for macedonia game, could be a blessing in disguise. force a bit of freshness into the team
I remember before the Cyprus home game (start of the 03/04 campaign?) Robbie injured himself in a pre-season game at Ibrox and was a major doubt. I was really anxious. Now I just think that any one of Long, Best, Walters or Stokes could come in and do a job. Likewise with Shay - Westwood is a very good keeper. This could be one of those seismic moments in the development of this team.
We could finish this campaign with Westwood, Clark, St. Ledger, Coleman, Long, Wilson, McCarthy (!), Foley, Lawrence, Best, Cunningham, Green, Andrews, Whelan, Walters, Stokes and Gibson all having played a part. Of these I think only Long and Gibson had been capped pre-Trap. Only Lawrence, Whelan, Andrews and Sledge were regulars in the last campaign. This team is changing by stealth - or at least it shows some signs of "succession" on the horizon.
Yet there's a myth peddled out there that Trap doesn't change the squad....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Our best keeper and our leading scorer out. Yes, let's bring in a bit of "freshness" with two Championship players replacing them. I would have put money down on Keane scoring against Macedonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by the bear
I have seen Westwood a few times this season. I am not convinced. Certainly not in the Given class but with a bit of shake 'n vac, let's put the freshness back!!
Two players in form though Owlsfan. Shane Long could score goals with his eyes closed atm & Westwood has played well all season so I'm not overly concerned about losing both players.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/9403128.stm
Given out for 3 months.
Whatever about missing the Macedonia game, the real worry here is the long term effects of this injury.
Apparently the shoulder was under no real stress when it was dislocated, so its going to affect his confidence when/if he does recover.
Get well soon Shay.
Good point Joe. Guy I play football with a guy from work has dislocated his shoulder about 8 times. He has ran into me twice and it 'went'. Every time Given dives on his shoulder it must be in the back of his mind that it will pop out.
2 on form champ players or 2 player who been warmin benches all season. shay and robbie were undroppable and rightly so i suppose, after the performances they have put in for us over the years. but i think we have enough to beat macedonia without them, and will be interested to see how other players step up to the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
very worrying news bout given shoulder, hope the surgery sorts it out for good and he's back to his best soon
If Brian O'Driscoll's career can survive that type of injury, one would hope that Shay's can.
The Bear's point about Given and Shay warming benches is they key. Fit and on form they're both automatics. Reputation rather than form would probably have seen them picked for Macedonia. Instead (touch wood) we're going to have two very able, young, fit, in form and hungry players stepping in. I'm quite relaxed about that.
Worrying news, but maybe an opportunity to gauge how we'll cope a few years down the line when the day finally arrives that Keane and Given hang up their boots. Hopefully the shoulder won't plague him for the remainder of his career.
Kieran Westwood will be as optimistic as any of us. As opportunities go, his prayers have been answered. (Insert 'Good Catholic' pun here.) He must surely be looking at this as a chance to usurp Shay in Trap's plans. Good performances in his run of games combined with Shay's club and injury woes and Trap has a decision to make down the line. Of course every professional always wants to do well but the shop window effect might work to Westwood's advantage as well as ours in this scenario.
This could be a worrying injury in regard to Shays longer term football future. I hope he is going to be okay and play on for a good numbert of years yet !
Whether through wishful thinking or otherwise, I've always thought of him as being one of those keepers with longevity, ala Seaman and Van Der Sar. Hopefully he can get this shoulder thing sorted and fulfill that.
Good news, apparently.
From the Daily Mail's Ian Ladyman: "#mcfc now saying that shay given op was not on the same shoulder as last year, despite briefing to the contrary on tues. good news 4 shay."
Yes, his name is indeed hilarious.
official word from City's web site: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Team-news...lder-operation
Do you think he has a chip on his shoulder with Mancini, given the way things have gone the last year? Perhaps its actually the other shoulder and he wanted to balance the chip. Should Mancini shoulder some of the blame given the fact that given hasn't played many games, and warming up he might have been somewhat rusty or awkward hence the injury...
I wrote that without spotting the bit about it being a different shoulder :D