Jack Grealish

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30533532.html

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Patchy or sporadic. Maybe poor choice of words or confusing on my part but I remember he did have a considerable amount of mediocre games in Spring time.

Ronan Murray and Alan Sheehan were a couple of Notts County's star players during their relegation escape. Perhaps we should call them up too?

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Really? Which performances from the 14 games he played in Spring 2014 (13 in League One, 1 Premier League appearance) would you class as mediocre, bearing in mind that his performances in five of them led to a player of the month nomination in April?

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Originally Posted by gastric

TOWK you 're loving this as you seem to feel it gives credence to some of your comments. The fact that you now make this comparison shows your knowledge of football and nationality is somewhat limited.
Grealish is a potential star and would be great for us. Tets and Charlie are making sense on here, I think many on here would do well to listen to them.
On the fact that he has only 23 minutes EPL experience, Jim Beglin, Steve Staunton and Michael Owens are examples of players who played internationally with little or no first team experience. Failures the lot of them! MONROY know what they are doing and if they say Grealish is ready, he must be!

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LOL gastric, first of all you have a grudge against me and this has colored every single one of our exchanges. At least Charwin and Tets are able to debate something in a more coherent way than you just put forth.

My knowledge of football and nationality is not limited. Grealish is not ready for International football and/or Premier League football. The only reason that he was called up to the squad for the Oman and Georgia games was to curry favor with him; it has always been the case. Prospectively bringing someone on as a substitute, in stoppage time against Georgia, in order to tie him is cynical.

My reading is that Grealish wants to play for Ireland in the short-term and wants to play for England in the long-term. He hasn't switched to England at underage level because if he played competitively it would tie him. It's only apropos. The lad supports our U-21 team and supports England.

He would not be great for us! He could be great for us. Michael Reddy, Keith O'Neill, Sean Thornton, Owen Garvan, Anthony Stokes and Conor Henderson could have been great for us too. I have yet to see a single national English source hyping up Grealish; only regional sources. I'm very skeptical that England are desperate for his services. And for reasons already explained - for whatever their worth - I doubt he's under that much external pressure to switch countries and if he is, I've only heard it from him, his father or his brother.

Michael Owen? You're comparing him to Michael Owen. Wow.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

He would not be great for us! He could be great for us. Michael Reddy, Keith O'Neill, Sean Thornton, Owen Garvan, Anthony Stokes and Conor Henderson could have been great for us too. I have yet to see a single national English source hyping up Grealish; only regional sources. I'm very skeptical that England are desperate for his services. And for reasons already explained - for whatever their worth - I doubt he's under that much external pressure to switch countries and if he is, I've only heard it from him, his father or his brother.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ted-about.html

There was a lot of talk of external pressure being put on Michael Keane and Sean McGinty. Keane did switch to England. His profile and appearance count at senior club level was far less than Grealish's at that point.

Just to throw some high octane on this inferno, Aiden McGeady had only played underage football for Ireland, had spoken with the Berti Vogts (the Scotland manager at the time) but still went on to play for Ireland at international level, and was 18 when he made his debut for the senior team.

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Originally Posted by gastric

On the fact that he has only 23 minutes EPL experience, Jim Beglin, Steve Staunton and Michael Owens are examples of players who played internationally with little or no first team experience.

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Is this the same Steve Staunton who'd broken into the Liverpool first team at the start of the season and who had become a regular starter for the best team in the league before he made his Ireland debut about 2 months later?

Is this the same Michael Owen who was Liverpool's first choice striker and top scorer before he made his England debut?

Is this the same Jim Beglin. Sorry my mistake, you were right about him. One out of three isn't bad.

Some other notables you forgot to mention who made their Ireland debuts before establishing themselves at their respective clubs include the following household names:
Alan O'Brien, the prolific Joseph Lapira, Cillian Sheridan, Graham Barrett, Joe O'Cearuill, Darren Potter and Alan Maybury. All went on to be superstars we can all agree.

Had Staunton played for Liverpool before his Euro 88 call up? My recollection is that it was a major surprise, and there was very little fanfare for his inclusion. I'm guessing his first cap came the following season.

http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.c...ail/story.html

Villa boss Paul Lambert commented on the potentially difficult situation after the game with Newcastle at the weekend, saying: "Jack will do what's right. There's no pressure from me whatsoever."

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Originally Posted by Olé Olé

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ted-about.html

There was a lot of talk of external pressure being put on Michael Keane and Sean McGinty. Keane did switch to England. His profile and appearance count at senior club level was far less than Grealish's at that point.

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Michael Keanes another Clark over hyped but in reality, brutal!

Clarks 5th choice at his club now that says it all, another Foot ie great green hope found out as not up to it.

When will people take the green tinted glasses off and see these type of players for what they are?

5th choice is better than no choice!

When Clark arrived on the club scene he did pretty well. He actually played defensive midfield for a while and scored a lovely volley at home to Arsenal. It wasn't unrealistic to be excited about his potential back then.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Had Staunton played for Liverpool before his Euro 88 call up? My recollection is that it was a major surprise, and there was very little fanfare for his inclusion. I'm guessing his first cap came the following season.

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I think that's an old confusion you have, Staunton's first Finals were at WC1990.
Somehow Staunton and 1988 has stayed stuck in your memory.
Nevertheless (by default) your point stands, Staunton had just played one league game for Liverpool before making his intl debut in Oct 1988
His situation was similar to Grealish.
He became a regular for Liverpool later that season, so Young Irish's tendency to put his foot into his mouth has reoccured.

Was he on standby or something for Euro88? I'm almost certain the first time I really heard of him was before that tournament.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Was he on standby or something for Euro88? I'm almost certain the first time I really heard of him was before that tournament.

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Maybe it was something like that, he was considered for the final squad and just missed out.
However, he watched the Finals in Ireland.
Therefore that happened before he started for Liverpool in a league game.

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Originally Posted by geysir

I think that's an old confusion you have, Staunton's first Finals were at WC1990.
Somehow Staunton and 1988 has stayed stuck in your memory.
Nevertheless (by default) your point stands, Staunton had just played one league game for Liverpool before making his intl debut in Oct 1988
His situation was similar to Grealish.
He became a regular for Liverpool later that season, so Young Irish's tendency to put his foot into his mouth has reoccured.

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Ah geysir the fountain of all ignorance. Surely if you're going to pull me up on something you'd think you could have checked your information as I'm sure we've been here many times before with you spouting facts that were subsequently and fairly rapidly proven to be nonsense. Who said anything about league games anyway?

Staunton had made 5 appearances early in the season for Liverpool before getting a cap for Ireland. 3 of them (not 1) were in the league, I see numbers are also not your strong point. Get this, he scored a goal in one of those appearances.

Also he was making a serious claim for a starting position in the dominant English club of the 70s and 80s, equivalent today to an 18 year old starting and scoring for the likes of Manchester City or Chelsea. I personally see this as more impressive than playing 23 minutes for a team most pundits think will struggle near the wrong end of the table but each to their own. Reality can be a bitter pill to swallow.

But hey don't let facts get in the way when making your point. Why break the habit of a lifetime now?

My main point still stands for every Staunton (5 senior appearances and 1 goal) that we cap there are 10 Alan O'Briens that fade into obscurity.

Jack Grealish is just the current flavour of the month on foot.ie the same as Stokes has been, Owen Garvan, Lee Trundle (seriously), Darren O'Dea, Liam Miller, Terry Dixon etc, etc, etc. All hyped up unreasonably with little or no justification and not one amounted to anything more than a decent Championship player.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Ah geysir the fountain of all ignorance. Surely if you're going to pull me up on something you'd think you could have checked your information as I'm sure we've been here many times before with you spouting facts that were subsequently and fairly rapidly proven to be nonsense. Who said anything about league games anyway?

Staunton had made 5 appearances early in the season for Liverpool before getting a cap for Ireland. 3 of them (not 1) were in the league, I see numbers are also not your strong point. Get this, he scored a goal in one of those appearances.

Also he was making a serious claim for a starting position in the dominant English club of the 70s and 80s, equivalent today to an 18 year old starting and scoring for the likes of Manchester City or Chelsea. I personally see this as more impressive than playing 23 minutes for a team most pundits think will struggle near the wrong end of the table but each to their own. Reality can be a bitter pill to swallow.

But hey don't let facts get in the way when making your point. Why break the habit of a lifetime now?

My main point still stands for every Staunton (5 senior appearances and 1 goal) that we cap there are 10 Alan O'Briens that fade into obscurity.

Jack Grealish is just the current flavour of the month on foot.ie the same as Stokes has been, Owen Garvan, Lee Trundle (seriously), Darren O'Dea, Liam Miller, Terry Dixon etc, etc, etc.
All hyped up unreasonably with little or no justification and not one amounted to anything more than a decent Championship player.

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You still haven't grown out of your loud, uncouth sarcastic ways Young Irish.
You claimed Staunton was a regular starter in the Liverpool team before he was capped by ireland.
Staunton was considered for the Euro 88 squad as Stutts has stated, he was left out with Mark Kelly and Charlton gave them a rented car to do a holiday as compensation of sorts. That happened before he made a league debut for Liverpool.
His first start for Liverpool in a league game was Oct 1st he had also played a league cup game and a charity game for Liverpool before he was capped.
He was capped for Ireland 19th Oct 1988 and he was far from being a regular starter with Liverpool which happened late November when a regular defender got injured.

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Originally Posted by back of the net

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30533532.html

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That's a good piece. Well worth a read.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

My reading is that Grealish wants to play for Ireland in the short-term and wants to play for England in the long-term. He hasn't switched to England at underage level because if he played competitively it would tie him. It's only apropos. The lad supports our U-21 team and supports England.

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He has stated before that we're in his long-term plans, or, at least, we were at some point before the summer. He's not said his long-term plans are to play with England, nor has he suggested that he'll jump ship if England do come forth with a better offer than with what they've been tempting him already, so you're just cynically speculating when you assert that "he wants to play for England in the long-term". Chances are he'd turn England down due the attachment and bond he has built with Irish team-mates and figures working for the FAI. He has never said he supports England to our exclusion either. The one thing we can be certain of right now is that he's a young (and possibly muddled) dual national who does not want to be rushed into making an irreversible and life-changing decision.

I think it's worth quoting some of McDonnell's piece here:

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No youngster should be condemned for considering every other option available.

In an era where aspiring footballers are guilty of rash and unthinking behaviour, the maturity to step back before diving headlong into a lifelong commitment is understandable.

Of course, it would be wonderful if all Irish diaspora had the absolute conviction of a young Kevin Kilbane, who angered Sam Allardyce at Preston by flatly refusing an English underage call.

Grealish, to be fair, has rejected FA advances before now. FIFA's rules can leave teenagers in a bind if they represent one country in a competitive underage fixture and then change to another before concluding they want to go back to their original.

This is the reason that Manchester United youngster Michael Keane, capped for Ireland at U-17 level, is now bound to England after switching to wear their colours from U-19 level upwards. The 21-year-old cannot return to Irish colours in the future.

However, his twin brother Will, who rejected Ireland as a teen, can now give the FAI a call if it fails to work out with England. Both Keanes are 21 and haven't quite progressed to the extent of being on Roy Hodgson's radar. But it's the indecisive youth who left a foot in both camps that is snookered in the long term.

Martin O'Neill met Grealish last week and chose his words carefully when he discussed the issue publicly.

This is a delicate matter and, to use language from another form of courtship, there is little to be gained from coming on too strong. In a social media world, Grealish is only a click away from punters more than willing to offer feedback on his situation. Emotive responses serve no purpose.

There are people who believe there should be no grey area and look unkindly upon any form of procrastination.

Such an irrational approach is unwelcome in an era where pressure is placed on the shoulders of the cubs.

O'Neill delivered a telling response last week when asked if English clubs prefer a player with dual eligibility to lean towards their FA. "I'd say you have a point there," he replied.

International football is a privilege but in the baby steps of their football journey, these players have to be conscious of what their paymasters say.

We know that the Irish jersey has been worn with distinction by players who, given the choice, would have gone a different route to Kilbane. They just never got that chance.

In recent years, the well of useful adult granny rule recruits has run dry. The best work has come from identifying promising kids, putting the groundwork in and making them feel welcome. With McCarthy, that approach worked.

Grealish has made friends in the Irish camp and was selected in Noel King's U-21 squad on Friday. "He's happy to play for us," said King.

Add in Roy Keane's presence at Aston Villa and there are plenty of reasons to be cautiously optimistic.

Calm heads are essential. What Grealish needs is space, not grief.

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Out of interest, does it pain you when you feel compelled to support England-born Irish players proudly wearing the green with distinction who might otherwise have ended up wearing the white of England had they had the chance?

I think McDonnell also makes a good point as to why these sorts of cases cause us such great collective anxiety. If our own system of player development was a strong and reliable one, we wouldn't have to be worrying so much about losing talented Irish nationals with dual nationality to the association representing their birthplace nationality. As McDonnell wrote: "Irish fans might feel that history is repeating considering the anxiety that preceded James McCarthy's senior breakthrough. This is what happens when your own system is inadequate."

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Originally Posted by geysir

You still haven't grown out of your loud, uncouth sarcastic ways Young Irish.
You claimed Staunton was a regular starter in the Liverpool team before he was capped by ireland.
Staunton was considered for the Euro 88 squad as Stutts has stated, he was left out with Mark Kelly and Charlton gave them a rented car to do a holiday as compensation of sorts. That happened before he made a league debut for Liverpool.
His first start for Liverpool in a league game was Oct 1st he had also played a league cup game and a charity game for Liverpool before he was capped.
He was capped for Ireland 19th Oct 1988 and he was far from being a regular starter with Liverpool which happened late November when a regular defender got injured.

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Before he made his international debut on 19th October 88 he had started the previous 3 out of 5 games for Liverpool. That's regular enough for me. I never said guaranteed.

Should we be pained, DI? Presuming they made a free choice, despite dual (or more) qualification...

Or did you mean something slightly different?

DI

I'm sure you'll just compulsively disagree with everything I say yet again but here goes....

Ireland have never been in his long-term plans. He doesn't know what his long-term plans are. I suspect that they are determined on a number of factors, some beyond his control. He implied that he was looking forward to a prospective call up during the summer several months ago and then turned it down when it came. No, he indeed hasn't suggested that he will jump ship to England but what conclusions are we supposed to draw from him turning down a call up to the Ireland senior team when to my knowledge he hasn't even been offered a call up to the England U-21 team? I believe he said he supported the senior England national team and the Ireland U-21 team (or something to that effect). I'm open to correction on that. Yes. He doesn't want to get capped by Ireland in a competitive game because it will prevent him from playing for England and he doesn't want to play competitively for England at underage level for similar reasons. He's not a child. He is a grown man and he has had plenty of time to ascertain what national team he wants to play for. It's not a life or death decision at the end of the day. Worst case scenario he plays for Ireland more than he ever will for England (if he actually merits it) and doesn't get to play in as many tournaments, or he becomes a bit part player for England. I think that's where the existential crisis comes from; marketing reasons too perhaps. Maybe he won't get a Brylcreem sponsorship deal if he declares for us. :p

I know I'm going to get mocked for this but it's a first world problem isn't it? There are 12 year old children fighting wars these days yet I am supposed to feel some kind of empathy for a 19 year old footballer, who already earns more in a month than I do in a year, over what country he plays for, because he is a young man?

It doesn't pain me. I get over it and try not to think about it too much as it goes beyond my control. I support the team whoever plays. What pains me is someone playing all through the age groups for one country, turning down a call up for the senior team and taking a place in the U-21 team of someone who may want to play for his country whenever he gets the call.

Personally, I don't have any anxiety over losing Granny rule players. The best eligible players play for England and the players who do end up declaring are not world beaters.

That's just my opinion anyways. Cynical as it may be. What some find cynical, others may find hopeful.

What will be will be.

Any of you going to UCF vs Penn ST at Croke? That will take your minds off this.

Bit of a discussion on it on Soccer Republic just now with Richie Sadlier and Dave Barry. A bit more measured than some opinions we've heard.

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Should we be pained, DI? Presuming they made a free choice, despite dual (or more) qualification...

Or did you mean something slightly different?

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I was directing the question at TOWK rather than to the board generally. I don't see why it should pain anyone to get behind an England-born Irish international player giving his all for Ireland who might also have (seriously) considered playing for the country of his birth at some point, but I had gotten the impression that TOWK has little time for such players because they don't neatly fit into his simplistic and over-presumptuous world view of seeing everything in black or white. He has belittled the integrity of the likes of Simon Cox, Paul Green and Anthony Pilkington in the past. So, I was wondering did it pain him to get behind the likes of Andy Townsend or Clinton Morrison when they gave their all for us? Or will it pain him to support Jack Grealish when he next wears an Ireland shirt? It appears he begrudgingly sweeps it under the carpet.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

DI

I'm sure you'll just compulsively disagree with everything I say yet again but here goes....

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I'm sure I have agreed with you before. Once or twice. :p

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He doesn't know what his long-term plans are. I suspect that they are determined on a number of factors, some beyond his control. He implied that he was looking forward to a prospective call up during the summer several months ago and then turned it down when it came.

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So you at least acknowledge he's confused and unsure of what to do really?

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No, he indeed hasn't suggested that he will jump ship to England but what conclusions are we supposed to draw from him turning down a call up to the Ireland senior team when to my knowledge he hasn't even been offered a call up to the England U-21 team?

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Maybe we could simply conclude that he doesn't want to commit to an irreversible and life-changing decision so early in his life?

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I believe he said he supported the senior England national team and the Ireland U-21 team (or something to that effect). I'm open to correction on that.

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I've re-quoted the tweets plenty of times for you but you're putting words in his mouth with the above interpretation by giving the impression that he supports England to the exclusion of ourselves. Just because he expressed support on Twitter for England doesn't mean there's no place in his heart for our senior team either. Dual nationals will, more often than not, support more than one country.

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He's not a child. He is a grown man and he has had plenty of time to ascertain what national team he wants to play for. It's not a life or death decision at the end of the day.

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Don't trivialise it. It's a massive decision for him. It's his profession and livelihood he has to consider here, and a footballer's career is a short one at that. It's easy for you to talk - you're a fan with no split allegiance - but you're not in his boots. Would you have been happy to make all your life-changing decisions at the age of 18?

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I know I'm going to get the mocked for this but it's a first world problem isn't it? There are 12 year old children fighting wars these days yet I am supposed to feel some kind of empathy for a 19 year old footballer, who already earns more in a month than I do in a year, over what country he plays for, because he is a young man?

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It is a first-world problem and it all pales into general insignificance when you think about the broader world, but we are where we are and we support the Irish national team (or, if you prefer, a bunch of spoilt Irish brats chasing around a ball of, erm, polyurethane :p ), so we find ourselves discussing our interest by virtue of that. Nobody said you have to feel empathy; just give the lad a break. You don't need empathy to stop being so cynical and suspicious. Why can there can be no grey or ambiguity with you? Must everything be as simple as black-or-white, with a heavy dose of pessimistic cynicism usually determining which tone will be favoured?

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It doesn't pain me. I get over it and try not to think about it too much as it goes beyond my control. I support the team whoever plays. What pains me is someone playing all through the age groups for one country, turning down a call up for the senior team and taking a place in the U-21 team of someone who may want to play for his country whenever he gets the call.

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You really think Grealish is depriving another player of ever being seen by the FAI? As I said before, cream rises to the top. Noel King said Jack is happy to play for us. If you have a problem with Grealish being in our under-21 squad, direct your ire at King and the FAI who are more than delighted to continue selecting him. If anything, Grealish's presence should enhance competition for places; not provide a convenient excuse for those who weren't good enough to claim they never got their chance.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Is this the same Steve Staunton who'd broken into the Liverpool first team at the start of the season and who had become a regular starter for the best team in the league before he made his Ireland debut about 2 months later?

Is this the same Michael Owen who was Liverpool's first choice striker and top scorer before he made his England debut?

Is this the same Jim Beglin. Sorry my mistake, you were right about him. One out of three isn't bad.



Some other notables you forgot to mention who made their Ireland debuts before establishing themselves at their respective clubs include the following household names:
Alan O'Brien, the prolific Joseph Lapira, Cillian Sheridan, Graham Barrett, Joe O'Cearuill, Darren Potter and Alan Maybury. All went on to be superstars we can all agree.

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One out of the three? I think geysir above mentions that Staunton had played one game for Liverpool before he played for Ireland.
Michael Owen played a few games a the end of the 1996/1997 season and then played consistently at the beginning of the 1997/ 1998 season before he then madehis English debut on the 11 February 1998. That means he had about 6 months experience of first team football which to me means he had little experience when he first played for England. Three out of three IMO!

TOWK , can you learn to read or develop your comprehension skills. I never compared Jack Grealish to Michael Owens in terms of football ability. I compared his age and inexperience when he debuted for England with Grealish's situation. Also stop trying to play the victim, if you are going to continually make inflammatory statements accept the flak that goes with it.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

5th choice is better than no choice!

When Clark arrived on the club scene he did pretty well. He actually played defensive midfield for a while and scored a lovely volley at home to Arsenal. It wasn't unrealistic to be excited about his potential back then.

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Yet another Foot ie poster refusing to admit he was wrong.

Stutty old chap, surely you must of realised that this Posh old boy knows his footie, toodle pip!

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Originally Posted by the doc

Yet another Foot ie poster refusing to admit he was wrong.

Stutty old chap, surely you must of realised that this Posh old boy knows his footie, toodle pip!

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Is it not a bit premature to write off the career of Clark already? He played 27 PL games last season too, by the way. Almost as many minutes as you mustered in the Championship.

I hope he's not put under too much pressure and makes the choice which is right for himself.

I suppose, the better he gets, the more pressure he'll be under to make a decision one way or the other.

You don't say...

Hopefully he'll never read a lot of the drivel in this thread...

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Before he made his international debut on 19th October 88 he had started the previous 3 out of 5 games for Liverpool. That's regular enough for me. I never said guaranteed.

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Where did you pick guarantee from?
No one claimed you said guaranteed, you claimed he was a regular starter for Liverpool after breaking into the team at the start of the season
That implies he was a regular starter, picked consistently for the first team, however that did not happen until late November. He was certainly an irregular starter for Liverpool, but was obviously on the road to being a regular.
He was on Charlton's radar before he played for Liverpool's first team, under serious consideration for a Final's squad, already had been called up to a few squads.
There is a strong similarity between Staunton and Beglin's career to Grealish's, at this stage of a player's career in relation to getting attention from the intl manager.

Richie Dunne seems to be a fan anyway....



"They have tried with Jack Grealish and maybe if he had come in he'd have been in the squad. If we can get hold of him he is a player who can be a star for Ireland for the next 15 years. I've seen him at training [at Aston Villa] and I have seen a couple of clips of him at Notts County and I have seen how good he is. If Ireland can get him it would be brilliant."


http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30531478.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6is2wdxrPtU

Looks pretty good here, although I am not sure what standard of player he is up against.

According to this he is playing the M23!!! He beat a whole motorway!!!

Actually it might not have been a motor way rather the Congolese Revolutionary Army, but impressive nonetheless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_23_Movement


Turn out in reality is was a Hong Kong FA U23 side.



http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/as...urnament-vine/

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6is2wdxrPtU

Looks pretty good here, although I am not sure what standard of player he is up against.

According to this he is playing the M23!!! He beat a whole motorway!!!

Actually it might not have been a motor way rather the Congolese Revolutionary Army, but impressive nonetheless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_23_Movement


Turn out in reality is was a Hong Kong FA U23 side.



http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/as...urnament-vine/

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They dont teach defending in Hong Kong tricky - chronic effort by them trying to stop him

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Originally Posted by back of the net

Richie Dunne seems to be a fan anyway....



"They have tried with Jack Grealish and maybe if he had come in he'd have been in the squad. If we can get hold of him he is a player who can be a star for Ireland for the next 15 years. I've seen him at training [at Aston Villa] and I have seen a couple of clips of him at Notts County and I have seen how good he is. If Ireland can get him it would be brilliant."


http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30531478.html

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Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.

On another note see M Keane who many on here are creaming themselves over, was brutal at MK Dons tonight.

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Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.

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You seem a bit uptight lad?

Im only posting what Dunne said

Big fan of grealish - think he has potential but he has a long way to go - hope he declares for us and becomes what all the scouts and coaches think he can become

As for me - I gave up predicting future Irish stars after Wenger got rid of stokes

The doc seems to be particularly critical of any English-born player who is involved with the Irish set-up. Except for one.

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Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.

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Yet another Irish legend who won't admit he was wrong.

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Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.

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that's Ciaran Clark, the English-born player who plays senior international football for Ireland.

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On another note see M Keane who many on here are creaming themselves over, was brutal at MK Dons tonight.

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There's a quote button next to every post, would you provide some examples of this "creaming themselves" you mention?

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There's a quote button next to every post, would you provide some examples of this "creaming themselves" you mention?

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Yeah, you can insert images too, y'know...please.

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Ooh, no thanks!

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Yet another Foot ie poster refusing to admit he was wrong.

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Hey the doc, how's sean st ledger getting on?

Lambert and Keane won't influence any decision on Grealish's international future: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/...40826_GREALISH

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Originally Posted by Goal.com

Lambert believes that Grealish must make the decision himself, and neither he nor Keane are looking to influence the winger's decision.

"It's not something we talk about. Whatever country Jack decides to play for we can't influence; that's up to him," Lambert told reporters.

"He's only 18 so I don't talk to him about his international career. I'm more interested in Aston Villa so it's up to Jack what he wants to do."

The Aston Villa boss revealed that he is more concerned with Grealish's club form, and admits that the 18-year-old could be in line to start against Leyton Orient in the Capital One Cup.

"Whatever road he wants to go down, we'll back it," the 45-year-old admitted,

"But first and foremost he's got to keep doing what he's doing and try and hang onto my squad in the first team.

"I think he's maturing well. He has done okay. He's got miles to go in the game but at this minute he has done alright.

"There is a chance he'll start [Wednesday] if he is okay, and I dont have a problem throwing him in - if I thought that (it was a gamble to play Grealish) I wouldn't have had him against Stoke."

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