Derry v Sligo 2,153
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Derry v Sligo 2,153
Attendance @ OP tonight was 650 :(
1135 at Dalymount. Abysmal.
All things considered Stu (atrocious weather, your goals scored, the opposition) that's far from abysmal
Aye its prob sunny as hell in Saskatchewan.Far from it in DEAR old Oireland :)
fair point. In fact, it is almost exactly what another poster said to me on the Bohs mb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
it is today bullit but not recently. In fact the big news is the flooding due to melting snow and torrential rain of the last week to 10 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
http://www.leaderpost.com/rivers+lak...292/story.html
1824 at Turners Cross tonight
Very poor for a derby but the weather can't have helped.
Bout 30/40 Blaahs
Counted 101 at the Wexford Limerick game
Almost every poster on orielweb is disputing this figure that was given last night, we all agree it was the smallest crowd of the season and a dreadful one at that, but it was def looked to be around 900.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Hard to judge the attendance tonight since so many in the New Stand didnt go near the front few rows of seats cause of the weather and a good few seemed to head over to the Jinks. Id say around 1400 or so in the New Stand with about 200-300 in the Railway End, Shed End and The Jinks and about 300 or so Shams fans. Even with the weather as bad as it was and the game on telly still was a poor crowd considering the importance of the game.
Yeah, poor enough crowd.
Sure they'll all come out of the woodwork for the last two or three home games of the season but only if we're still in contention to win the league, because anything less just wouldn't be exciting enough.
Every club is suffering this season WITH THE DROPS IN attendances including ourselves. If we hadnt dropped our prices I would hate to think what crowds we would be getting now. LOI is too overpriced and it cant maintain the present crowds with the large number of midweek games as people cant afford 2 games in the space of a few days.
Until everyone sits around the table and works for the common good with a structured 5/10 year plan the league is ****ed. Clubs have to think of the big picture rather than just worrying about their own little patch.
Certainly agree that there are too many games and playing the same team possibly six or seven times in a season means people lose interest I feel.
The Indo said it was a crowd of over 1700 so say you aren't far off there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
Someone on our forum said around 1200 for our game against the Drogs. ET has a figure of 1135, which sounds official enough.
1027 at Richmond last night, I was hoping for a good crowd due to the fact our last 3 games have been away and we had the chance to go top, The weather ruined that I suppose
There's too many games all together and people have to be choosy which ones they go to. Rovers clash being on TV was a great chance to see footie for nothing. Maybe 1700 wasn't that bad considering the weather and the telly but, in good times, the attendance would be double that.
I still blame the summer season...
Game on a Friday, early kickoff, p!ssin rain, game on the TV and three games in a week affected the crowd last night. Still a poor crowd mind.
Most of them voted for the current structure in 2006. They knew it wouldn't work, but still voted for them. Clubs themselves are as responsible for the schedule as the FAI. The FAI just want the games crammed into 8 months of the year, while most fixtures are designed to suit home players and home crowds, rather than what is best for the league. Clubs themselves are solely responsible for ticket prices. At most clubs, tickets are at the same prices as pre-recession days, and are the same for every game in whatever competition. Even the kick off times are mostly the same every week. The public are voting with their feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
But sure, we've had this discussion last summer, and the summer before, and the summer before, and th............Nothing changes, because nobody thinks long-term or outside the box, just the next fixture. So the status quo remains.
Im no fan off Myposts but i have to agree with him on this post.
The Monday/Tues games are having a severe knock on effeect as far as attendances are concerned.
Its easy and simple to laugh at another sides attendance figure but if we are in this (LOI) together then we should be hoping for much larger attendaces than the ones that we are seeing at the moment.
Indeed its a sad day when every ground in LOI is not full to its capacity.
I counted 60 people in Drom tonight at Salthill v Harps with about 30 of them Harps. First time there, strange experience.
Yeah that 10 minutes made a huge differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by redobit
Is a break through in Europe the only way the LOI can establish a wider base? The most obvious reason that summer football is here is that it doesn't clash with English football. While it clashes with GAA -- there will obviously be less teams as championships roll on. Can't imagine that a reversion to winter 'fulltime' football will bring in the masses -- particularly considering if the harsher winters of last two years are the norm.
In reality clubs like UCD shouldn't be permitted in the league, along with obvious strugglers in First Division.
The amalgamation of a pared down combined Premier and First Division could stop endless repeat games.
What about a league of top North of Ireland teams and from the Republic?
All rubbish pie in the sky stuff
Crowds were better in winter. Can argue why but it's pretty clear
UCD are there on merit
Are endless meaningless games more attractive than playing teams 4 times (when clubs always played each other 3 times anyway)
An all Ireland league cures nothing. You think Sligo v Dungannon is more attractive than Sligo v Bray? Setanta cup figures disagree
Well said Dodge - some people are so lacking in knowledge about the game its unreal. Please point him to the Hogan stand and be rid of that rubbish
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Originally Posted by shellyriver
Getting rid of the first division is only going to make more meaningless games. It's usually fairly obvious who the title challengers are after 10 or 15 games (with the notable exception of this season), and without relegation to worry about, everyone else's games become meaningless fairly quickly.
I'm a firm believer in expanding the league. As I've said before, if places like Longford and Monaghan, neither exactly a metropolis, can support sustainable teams, there is absolutely no reason places like Nenagh, Ennis, Cavan, Mullingar, Navan, Kilkenny, Kildare, Tullamore and Carlow can't also support them. Of course, to attract clubs from these areas, the league has to make itself an attractive prospect, and really needs to cut down on the ridiculous financial antics, buckets of fudge, and shoddy treatment of teams by the organising authority.
Any Mons got a figure for Monaghan v City from last week?
Salthill didn't bother to ask people to pay last night. I arrived right on kick off and couldn't find anyone to pay and no one I spoke to had paid either. Meant to find someone to pay at half time but clean forgot.
Any club in a location that doesn't have a tradition in soccer, pre-1920s will simply will not get off the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
Fact of matter is that soccer is historically a game most popular in Northern half of Ireland, with pockets of popularity on east Coast from Dublin to Dundalk, 'garrison towns' and towns with Protestant secondary level schools.
I think that a Northern All-Ireland Division -- and a Southern Division would sort out 'football viability' for domestic football. It took until 1920s for Cork City to play a game of soccer in Dublin! It would be ridiculous in extreme for anyone north of Thurles wanting to travel to Cork and Waterford to a lesser degree.
Regarding meaningless games, I suppose its a relative situation. Clubs who after a few games will lag behind will view 'meaningless games' as vital in terms of survival -- although it might not draw in support, because football 'sheeple' crave success and coat-tail it. Therefore, will hurling and gaelic football dominating the South and rugby an increasingly popular sport in Leinster -- domestic soccer can should rightly look to its traditional base core.
I am no big fan of FAI's attitude to LOI and attempting to merge IFA and FAI domestic league might be too big a issue to grapple and one that either side are happy to trundle on with -- but until Irish football teams perform well consistently in Europe in this increasingly consumer age it won't advance rapidly.
Then again we are up against global popularity of Premiership (which is increasingly elitist) domestic ball sports etc.
Look, Cuba produced the best 'amateur' boxers in the world! You are either interesting in promoting the game, running a viable business, but UCD is a good example is testament to the fact in Ireland the situation is intractable.
PS - re UCD there on merit, considering the scholarship programmes and selecting players from around the country they have a unique advantage. fair play to them. I love the likes of Wexford Youths and would love to see a community-based and community-lead approach in Ireland, but one that is supported by the community in turn.
Bottom line the First Division is a grave yard. It can actually mean the death of would be viable clubs, the traditionally stronger clubs in it should be extricated and breath life into their respective clubs.
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Originally Posted by shellyriver
You mentioned Wexford Youths in your post, they don't seem to be doing too badly. Bray, Monaghan and Longford only joined the league in the mid 80s, Finn Harps only founded in the 1950s, and football is an immensely popular sport all over the country, even in areas that have no significant history in the LOI. Almost every town has a club of some description, and it's the fault of the LOI that they have no interest in joining up at present. It's just not an attractive enough prospect, there's no media hype about it, no chance to grow your club, and no prestige associated with the brand, due to the repeated foot-shooting the clubs seem obsessed with.
As for meaningless games, if there's no relegation, there's no functional difference between finishing 4th and finishing 14th, if you get rid of relegation to the first division. The drop-off in attendances for clubs who aren't fighting for anything except pride is well documented, and is the reason the Football League in England introduced the play-offs, to keep the competition alive for clubs further down the table. As a Bray supporter, I know full well that games in a relegation dogfight are far from meaningless!
Anyway, I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that the League of Ireland needs credibility and a good public image more than anything to move forwards and develop, and throwing clubs out of the league who are there on merit is not the way of going about that. If UCD are thrown out of the league, it's not going to draw any more fans in to Shamrock Rovers or Shels, all it's going to do is lose to the league those people who now follow UCD.
Wexford Youths are dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
His post, arguing the relevance of the 1920s when talking about football in 2011, is of course, still utterly bizarre.
That's a fairly good turnout from Salthill. :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
[QUOTE=shellyriver;1502194]Any club in a location that doesn't have a tradition in soccer, pre-1920s will simply will not get off the ground.
Fact of matter is that soccer is historically a game most popular in Northern half of Ireland, with pockets of popularity on east Coast from Dublin to Dundalk, 'garrison towns' and towns with Protestant secondary level schools.
****e you speak, its 2011, Garrison town ****e did you here that rubbish from the head of the fai or something. Soccer is the beautiful game, its played in every village in the land practically at this stage
And most of them watched from inside the clubhouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
[QUOTE=geezer;1502241]I'd agree with this..tis awfully puzzling where he came up with this rubbish. The pre-1920's thing, we all know is rubbish, doesn't need explaining. But the 2nd part....wut? Garrison towns? Football is probably the highest supported sport in the whole country. LOI may not be the highest supported but football itself is for me more widely supported than GAA with every 2nd person claiming to be a United fan or a Liverpool fan or some of the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by shellyriver
In the LOI your point doesn't back up either, look at well supported teams like Cork and relatively well supported teams like Waterford, Galway and even Cobh had their fair share of a crowd when they were going well, then tell me they're near the east cost or northern half of ireland garrison towns or whatever rubbish you're on about.
Eloquent stuff there Mr Tribesman!
Aw, just read any books about the history of soccer in Ireland - there was a good would recently brought out about Co Donegal!
Strange. There were 50 of us on the bus!! Including those who drove, there were at least 100 of us which is still a good bit down on what normally travels to Turner's Cross. (I could name most of them if that helps:D)Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Did they all go to the match? or was there a stop off in Mahon Point for some late night shopping :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bluemovie
No need for the names. :D
I was just going by what I thought was in the away end but was never much good at guesstimating crowds.
Haha. There were about 30 standing for the second half, but a lot more sitting down behind. 1800 must be your lowest of the season? Thought that was strange considering you'd have expected to beat your neighbours.