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To counteract the complaint that the FAI are poaching players that the IFA have spent time and money developing I believe that the FAI should be allowed to recruit players from the North at the same age that they are allowed to on the rest of the island. This would at least put an end to the complaint of the IFA wasting their time and money on players that do not want to play for them.
Ha ha. Think the rugby & cricket will always rightly ridicule such a nonsensical stance!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
As I say, it's only the soccer where such paranoid f*ckwittery exists.
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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Agree. GR is talking through his arse to state that ROI and NI are "seperate countries." NI is not a country, it is a "province" of the UK and by his rather flexible logic therefore is not entitled to an international team in any sport including soccer.
Can the FAI not do this anyway outside of schoolboy internationals?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Fair play;Personally, no problems with SS & The Sash if it really is an issue. As for those regarding the football team, these are largely to do with unionist paranoia (by some, but not all of that tradition).Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
I suppose as things stand at the moment they could do but they have not started to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
If they did it would put a stop to the IFA complaining about putting money and time into players that do not want to play for them.
Evening TP. Last time I looked, there was a pretty obvious- and inflexible- border between the two. But you pretend otherwise if it suits you.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Northern Ireland is as much a country as Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales are. But I don't think you're being serious in this post? It's times like this the SarcMark would come in handy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Clearly you've not passed between the two recently;the 'border' is virtually non-existent. Only the road signs and odd flags would indicate any difference....
And to emphasise TP is relatively correct, politically there are no such countries as England, Scotland or Wales (Constituent parts of Britain), not mention any colonial rump that makes up the entity of 'Uk'....
Suggest you buy an atlas or check the U.N's list of accredited countries, unless of course you wish to 'pretend otherwise'. That is of course presuming the last two posts were 'serious' ??
;)
I'm probably boring you all, but as a political science graduate, I should probably point out that "country" and "state" are not strictly interchangeable terms, and that by most agreed definitions Northern Ireland is a country within a state. The United Kingdom is very unusual in that sense (as is Ireland).
Fair enough CD, but to most mere mortals a country is a state.
And don't see why we should especially accomodate England/Britain's "empire" to confirm their rather odd status.
Certainly can't argue with that. Whilst the FAI are not behaving contrary to the rules of the game, it is undoubtedly more satisfying and rewarding when you can boast of having brought your players through your own international ranks. Would the FAI be permitted to set up training camps in the north? Would those NI fans who have no problem with players from the north playing for Ireland, just so long as they don't involve themselves in the Northern Ireland set-up at any level, have any problem with the FAI potentially doing this?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Realistically it is the only way to go as it will put an end to the carping from some quarters about the time and effort they are putting in to players that do not want to play for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
No, go ahead. I'm assuming you you have similar plans for England?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The recruitment of English-born players by the FAI is not a major source of tension with the English FA, though. The point of such an endeavour, as a unique once-off initiative in international football and more important than maintaining some consistent policy of recruitment beyond the Irish state's borders, would be for it to represent a voluntary gesture on behalf of the FAI demonstrating their willingness to maintain good neighbourly relations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Let them carp.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Probably feel better knowing they are carping.
Cherry picking some will do grand for now.
Aye, Hypocrisy is their middle name. Coming after Paranoia.
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Read in the papers today that Duffy has not yet received clearance to play in the friendlies and again it was hinted that the CAS case had something to do with it. Would there be restrictions placed on players who want to make the switch?
His dad is from Donegal which makes him perfectly entitled to play for us. What's the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Even if his dad wasn't from Donegal, he'd be perfectly entitled to play :p I don't think there is a problem with his eligibility, but as has been discussed earlier in the thread, it's either a case of it normally taking a bit of time, or as the papers suggest, FIFA have placed restrictions on players changing until the CAS case is closed.
FIFA still has to approve his switch of allegiance. Making sure he is eligible and that he hasn't done anything to make himself ineligible, I guess.
DERRY CITY duo, Patrick McEleney and Thomas McBride have been named in the Republic of Ireland Under-18 squad for next week's double header friendlies away to Macedonia.
The talented pairing will be hoping to make a significant impression during the friendlies, to be played on Tuesday, May 11th and Thursday, May 13th in the Ohrid City Stadium.
Thomas McBride had recently been included in the NI under-18 Schools side that played against our ROI equivalent, at Tullamore on March 17.
http://www.derryjournal.com/derry/De...-to.6269321.jp
Just because he played for the schools side doesn't mean his allegiance was to the North, you play for the country where you go to school. McGeady has schoolboy caps for Scotland, Ryan Giggs played schoolboy football for England.
McBride had been included in our U19 squad prior to the schoolboy friendlies I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Patrick McEleney should be staking a strong claim for a place in the squad. He's been having a good season with Derry so far.
Welcome aboard lads. Hope you have a great time playing for Ireland and get to grace the new Lansdowne Road on great occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Liam Boyce from Cliftonville has been playing very well this year. Barca are suppose to be interested.
Played for the North U19s
I think we should take him and any nationlist player that wants to play for us.
They are more Irish the most Southerns.
Is he aware that he's a nationalist and wants to play for us or have you decided on his behalf?
Die Darvin
Nothing official, but I've heard from a few accounts that he could switch. I've also heard that Conor Devlin, Man United's U18 and sometimes reserve 'keeper may be declaring. Again, it's still just speculation at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
so, what did we decide?
No?
Barcelona looking at Liam Boyce?..so say the Belfast Telegraph
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...08#postcomment
Here's a goal of the month he scored : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRA_Kka2uQ
If they want to play for the ROI then I have no problem and im sure the rest of you dont.
Kieran Burke, meet Ealing Green. Ealing Green, this is Kieran Burke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kieran Burke
Both withdraw from squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Doubt it's anything other than club responsibilities or something like that. Robbie Benson (Athlone), Eoghan Osbourne (Drogheda) and Ryan Connolly (Derby) have also been withdrawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...r-18&Itemid=15
We'll take him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
what are you on about mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Some posters here take issue with northern-born players playing for us. Ealing Green happens to be one of the most vocal of them. Which is fair enough and a bit of debate is welcome. He's entitled to voice his opinions here and we're more than happy to correct them for him. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kieran Burke
Those who object are, by and large, exclusively Northern Ireland fans though. I don't think there are too many otherwise on here who seriously object, if any, bar maybe the guy who started the topic.
Well explained Danny! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I've just been thinking, between the players mentioned in this and a few others threads there about 10 players at underage that have or are considering switching to us mostly from N.I. and a few from Scotland or England. I can understand to a certain extent that their FAs are annoyed but the odds are that only 1 or 2 of them will end up being decent at international level and the majority will end up playing in the lower leagues in England or for a non-Old Firm team in the SPL. They might all have potential but as soon as they get some games at a higher level it will become obvious that most of them are not up to international standard. Also, if they were happy playing for N.I. then they would stay there; if I was a N.I. fan I would rather not have a player playing for my national team if his heart lay somewhere else. Anyway, at the moment the only one that looks like he will be top class in McCarthy; he's not from NI and was with us from the start of his international careere. Time will tell I suppose.