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12/07/2012, 2:12 AM
tricky_colour

Thanks Charlie, but I guess those 'duck eggs' will be on our record for a while.

Also if the games which dropped out scored points would our average go down I guess it would, or at least the sum total would.

Do you get more points from a result against a good team?

It seems you do.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifa...ation_8771.pdf

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How are points calculated in the FIFA World Ranking?
1. Calculation of points for the FIFA World Ranking
The basic logic of these calculations is simple. Any team that does well in world football wins points and lays the
foundations for climbing the world ranking. However, the number of points that can actually be won in a match
depends on the following factors:
• Was the match won, or did it end in a draw? (M)
• How important was the match (friendly match to FIFA World Cup™)? (I)
• How strong was the opponent in terms of its ranking position and the confederation to which it belongs?
(T and C)
These factors are brought together in the following formula to ascertain the total number of points (P).
P = M x I x T x C x 100

From that it seems the more games you play the better, so you can advance by playing loads of carp teams.
However you would only score a few points so best to play the strongest teams you can beat as four years of 4+4+4+... is better then 1+1+1+1..
12/07/2012, 2:17 AM
Charlie Darwin

Duck eggs? The number of games you play is irrelevant. We played 3 games and got 0 points. If we'd played 0 games we'd still have got 0 points. We could have played 10 games and still got 0 points. 0 points is 0 points.

Yes, our points total goes down if the games that drop out we scored points in. But that happens regardless of how many points we get - we lose the same number, all that changes is how many we gain from the current round of fixtures.

Yes, you get more points the higher ranked the team you play is, and Championship games are worth more than qualifiers, which are worth more than friendlies.
12/07/2012, 8:32 AM
AlaskaFox

AFAIK, we lost the points we had for beating Colombia 1-0 and drawing 1-1 with Serbia back in May/June 2008. Drawing with Colombia and beating Bosnia didn't do a great job replacing those.
12/07/2012, 8:49 AM
ArdeeBhoy

Does it really matter? At this exact point in time...
12/07/2012, 12:15 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Does it really matter? At this exact point in time...

Every result counts as far as ranking and potential seeding are concerned, but, aye, it's probably not the most pressing of our concerns right now.
12/07/2012, 6:15 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Duck eggs? The number of games you play is irrelevant. We played 3 games and got 0 points. If we'd played 0 games we'd still have got 0 points. We could have played 10 games and still got 0 points. 0 points is 0 points.

Yes, our points total goes down if the games that drop out we scored points in. But that happens regardless of how many points we get - we lose the same number, all that changes is how many we gain from the current round of fixtures.

Yes, you get more points the higher ranked the team you play is, and Championship games are worth more than qualifiers, which are worth more than friendlies.

Yes I see that now, those games would have dropped out anyway, so no harm done. Also if you play lower ranked teams you can boost your points
total, it seems the more games you play the better provided the player are not too tired to get a result.
13/07/2012, 5:07 AM
Edgar

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

So anyone now what our rating would have been if we had not qualified, but still started on the same ranking?

I don't actually know how the system works, would we have lost less points by not playing?

If you had lost on penalties to Estonia in the play-off and then played the same friendlies, without going to the EURO, you'd have had 875 points this month (instead of 762).

I know how the system works :)

Back to reality, you'll remain 26th in August.

FIFA Ranking: August 2012 preview.
13/07/2012, 9:40 AM
p2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edgar

If you had lost on penalties to Estonia in the play-off and then played the same friendlies, without going to the EURO, you'd have had 875 points this month (instead of 762).

I know how the system works :)

Back to reality, you'll remain 26th in August.

FIFA Ranking: August 2012 preview.

Which would have left us 18th in the world. The vagaries of ranking systems: qualifying puts you down 8 places, staying at home leaves you safe at 18th. In any case, 26th or 32nd or so sounds more like our realistic level, i.e. close to the cut-off for getting to World Cups
13/07/2012, 6:16 PM
tricky_colour

OK I am getting confused now.
As we gained no points we would be on the same number of points if we had not played any games at all.
However we would probably have dropped in the rankings because other teams gained points.
Although this depends somewhat on which games dropped out of the ranking calculation (if any).

I suppose technically we could have risen in the ranking by not playing (but very unlikely).

Also when p2011 says "close to the cut-off for getting to World Cups" this is a bit misleading
although 32 teams will play in the world cup only 13 of them will be European teams.
Currently we would need to be world ranked 18th to be at the cut off point.
We are I think now 16th in Europe so with 13 teams qualifying we are 'not far off.

We would need another 90 points to get the 13th spot.

Actually I think under Edgar's ranking preview we have actually improved our
European ranking (but I or someone else needs to check that!!).
Indeed I think it makes no difference because I don't see any team dropping
below us so it must make no difference.
13/07/2012, 7:11 PM
Irwin3

The rankings are calculated using averages. So having 0, 0, 0 will bring your average down. Without those 3 defeats as Edgar has shown above, our points total and ranking would be higher.
13/07/2012, 10:57 PM
tricky_colour

No mention of averages in the calculation
from the guide I looked at but there is in wikipedia.
13/07/2012, 11:02 PM
tricky_colour

So..........as it is an average we did lose points by going to Euro 2012!!!
15/07/2012, 10:36 AM
the bear

Glad to see England getting rewarded for their excellant form at the euros:rolleyes: 3rd best team in the world.
15/07/2012, 11:00 AM
the bear

Quote:

Originally Posted by the bear

Glad to see England getting rewarded for their excellant form at the euros:rolleyes: 3rd best team in the world.

The England circus goes on with Ferdinand now in trouble for endorsing someone calling Ashley Cole a Choc Ice ( black on the outside, white on the inside). What do they expect from Cole after he was married to a Super Split
15/07/2012, 6:50 PM
ArdeeBhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Every result counts as far as ranking and potential seeding are concerned, but, aye, it's probably not the most pressing of our concerns right now.

Well yeah, until Astana this is all of conjecture. And even if it wasn't, am guessing our ability to get 'shock' results is now highly limited.
As we haven't beaten anyone higher than us in the rankings (exc. the Fr*nch over 90 mins) in ages...
:(
05/09/2012, 1:00 PM
DannyInvincible

We remain 26th in the latest rankings released today. Germany remain in second position whilst Sweden fall one place to 18th. Austria are up 11 places to 49th and Kazakhstan are up three places to 142nd. The Faroes are down one place to 154th.
06/09/2012, 1:11 AM
tricky_colour

I suppose 26th is not too bad after our Euro exploits.
Kazakhstan sound quite beatable at 142th.
Worse than Cyprus and Malta but better than Liechtenstein.
Seeing Cyprus there might have you a bit worried but they were rated a bit higher at the time between 80 and 90.

Bookmakers odds for Ireland win 4/5 draw 5/2 lose 7/2

Goes without saying we need to win, Kazakhstan held Austria to a 0-0 recently, 11 October 2011.
Austria had no chance of qualifying at that point, but hen neither did Kazakhstan.
03/10/2012, 12:08 PM
DannyInvincible

Despite two victories in September, we're down two places to 28th in the latest rankings: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...p-in-rankings/

Were the points gained from the Hungary friendly fixture before the Euros removed from our tally then due to the Hungarian football association's error over the fourth official? The fixture appears to have been removed from our results on FIFA's website: http://www.fifa.com/associations/ass...=m/index.html#
05/10/2012, 7:51 AM
Edgar

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Despite two victories in September, we're down two places to 28th in the latest rankings: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...p-in-rankings/

Were the points gained from the Hungary friendly fixture before the Euros removed from our tally then due to the Hungarian football association's error over the fourth official? The fixture appears to have been removed from our results on FIFA's website: http://www.fifa.com/associations/ass...=m/index.html#

No, the points weren't removed now. More here:

The Irish press and FIFA ranking

You'll most likely drop 8 places next month (with a loss to Germany and a win against Faroe Islands).

FIFA Ranking: November 2012 probable ranking
05/10/2012, 3:28 PM
DannyInvincible

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edgar

No, the points weren't removed now. More here:

The Irish press and FIFA ranking

Ah yes, the Irish press; misinformed as usual... Thanks for the clarification.

So, why doesn't the fixture appear in our FIFA list of past fixtures?

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