2012 First Division structure?

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Originally Posted by Schumi

Beyond belief that anyone could think an 8-team league is the best way to go when there are other teams potentially available.

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Up to four teams at that if we include GUST/FC. Two twelves could have been nice alright.

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

And people that are complaining about Cobh the FAI had no choice they owed money to players no deal was agreed so as hard as it is to say the FAI were right on that one....Not a dig at Cobh by the way as i was really hoping that they would get in.

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Ah come here, the least the FAI could have done was abide by their own deadlines in that case and give Cobh all the time made available to remedy this issue. That's not what has happened anyway, Fran Gavin has made it clear that both Cobh and Tralee are in the process of applying for First Division licenses and will be considered for places in the First Division IF they succeed in that application and other existing teams fail to meet the criteria.

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Up to four teams at that if we include GUST/FC. Two twelves could have been nice alright.



Ah come here, the least the FAI could have done was abide by their own deadlines in that case and give Cobh all the time made available to remedy this issue. That's not what has happened anyway, Fran Gavin has made it clear that both Cobh and Tralee are in the process of applying for First Division licenses and will be considered for places in the First Division IF they succeed in that application and other existing teams fail to meet the criteria.

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Well from what i was told is that they had made a few offers to the players that were owed money all turned down and that Cobh have said they are not in a position to offer any more if this is true then more time wasnt really going to help. The timing of the announcement is wrong yes and it seems like they were going to push ahead with the 8 team league anyway possibly to avoid GUST going to court...What i am talking about though is people saying just put them in to make up the numbers its not as simple as that.

What a funny man Fran Gavin is, does he realise if the standard the players are is not in line with his expectation it’s the F.A.I. who must should take the blame.
What has the F.A.I. Emerging Talent Programme in Kerry been doing for the last 6 years’s in preparing teams to reach “The Standard”. One of fathers of one of the players told me the Dynamos under 19 team have 16 out of 18 players who came through the E.T.P.
The unselfish sacrifice that these players & families & coaches & administrators all over Kerry have made up to this point and now the players have no future after been developed for the last 7 years.
And remember 8 of these players have played for Ireland at under age level. So is that standard not high enough for him!!!!

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

Well from what i was told is that they had made a few offers to the players that were owed money all turned down and that Cobh have said they are not in a position to offer any more if this is true then more time wasnt really going to help. The timing of the announcement is wrong yes and it seems like they were going to push ahead with the 8 team league anyway possibly to avoid GUST going to court...What i am talking about though is people saying just put them in to make up the numbers its not as simple as that.

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GUST never had any interest in bringing the governing body to court, Like them or loathe them the are the governing body and they represent football. Argue, give out, negotiate or tweet but always draw a line at going to court with your Governing body.
GUFC Ltd on the other hand were allegedly threatening our governing body if they gave GUST FC a licence.
GUST will take its medicine, cry foul for a few days then get on with the real business for Galway of One City, One County, One Club for Galway in the LOI

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

Ye keep saying this but ye have absolutely nothing to back it up at all....How can ye know that people that followed GUFC wont follow them next season?

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We have had a few open meetings on the issue and not one person at those meetings has said they will support STD. Either way we will find out soon enough as the season is not far away now.

The people who support GUFC or GUST dont support STD. Its like asking people who support Man Utd to support Man City it just wont happen.

Not allowing Tralee and Cobh is a disaster especially since they are still under review for this season which seems like total nonsense!

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Originally Posted by gordongekko

We have had a few open meetings on the issue and not one person at those meetings has said they will support STD. Either way we will find out soon enough as the season is not far away now.

The people who support GUFC or GUST dont support STD. Its like asking people who support Man Utd to support Man City it just wont happen.

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How many people were at these meetings?

How many memebers are thee of GUST btw.

trainee u lost me there whos the buckley who referred to in your prev post??

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

trainee u lost me there whos the buckley who referred to in your prev post??

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Sorry I ment to say buckley park, I have edited post now

for Blueandwhitearmy

464 attendees at 4 meetings in 3 weeks, one of which people had only 1 days notice.

The vote at the last meeting was 116 to zero, GUST have over 100 people in Maroon army which is a minimum €20 per month and over 1200 have paid amounts over €10 into GUST in the last year. Tonight the most progressive club Corrib Rangers in the Westside area of Galway city an area of 20,000 people spoke of Gust at their hugely atended awards night and explained the work GUST do and to follow and support the GUST motto, One City, Once County, One Club for all the community and for their kids to aspire to play for their county not a made up franchise. Cheers and loud applause was directed at the GUST people present at the awards night.

also a lifelong Galway UTD fan and LOI supporter who lives 100 yards from Terryland and was regularly in Drom & Fahys field last season told one of our members today he wont be going near Terryland this season. GUST wont advise anyone to boycott the LOI thats for sure but diehards of the LOI in Galway are ****ed off. It takes years to acclimatize to cold nights even in summer at Terryland the SD Salthill will need all the luck they can get.

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Originally Posted by geezer

for Blueandwhitearmy

464 attendees at 4 meetings in 3 weeks, one of which people had only 1 days notice.

The vote at the last meeting was 116 to zero, GUST have over 100 people in Maroon army which is a minimum €20 per month and over 1200 have paid amounts over €10 into GUST in the last year. Tonight the most progressive club Corrib Rangers in the Westside area of Galway city an area of 20,000 people spoke of Gust at their hugely atended awards night and explained the work GUST do and to follow and support the GUST motto, One City, Once County, One Club for all the community and for their kids to aspire to play for their county not a made up franchise. Cheers and loud applause was directed at the GUST people present at the awards night.

also a lifelong Galway UTD fan and LOI supporter who lives 100 yards from Terryland and was regularly in Drom & Fahys field last season told one of our members today he wont be going near Terryland this season. GUST wont advise anyone to boycott the LOI thats for sure but diehards of the LOI in Galway are ****ed off. It takes years to acclimatize to cold nights even in summer at Terryland the SD Salthill will need all the luck they can get.

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So of the 1000 people Galway fans have said regularly attended GUFC games that leaves nearly 600 that didnt attend the meetings of the club they love so much that they wouldnt dream of watching anyone that didnt have GUST involved with them at a time when that club looked like it was about to die..

And just over 100 of these avid GUST lovers turned up to the most important meeting and vote that GUST ever had or will have. Im sure people involved with GUST and people tat really like GUST wont go to the games,but Galway fans saying the whole of Galway refuses to support them is ridiculous an awful lot of people at LOI games are just casual fans that want to watch a game and there is every chance they will go.

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

So of the 1000 people Galway fans have said regularly attended GUFC games that leaves nearly 600 that didnt attend the meetings of the club they love so much that they wouldnt dream of watching anyone that didnt have GUST involved with them at a time when that club looked like it was about to die..

And just over 100 of these avid GUST lovers turned up to the most important meeting and vote that GUST ever had or will have. Im sure people involved with GUST and people tat really like GUST wont go to the games,but Galway fans saying the whole of Galway refuses to support them is ridiculous an awful lot of people at LOI games are just casual fans that want to watch a game and there is every chance they will go.

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It's not possible for every single fan to turn up to a midweek meeting. Some people have family, college, work commitments etc. Even if 1000 people had turned up, the outcome of the vote would have been the same. It was a united decision.

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

So of the 1000 people Galway fans have said regularly attended GUFC games that leaves nearly 600 that didnt attend the meetings of the club they love so much that they wouldnt dream of watching anyone that didnt have GUST involved with them at a time when that club looked like it was about to die..

And just over 100 of these avid GUST lovers turned up to the most important meeting and vote that GUST ever had or will have. Im sure people involved with GUST and people tat really like GUST wont go to the games,but Galway fans saying the whole of Galway refuses to support them is ridiculous an awful lot of people at LOI games are just casual fans that want to watch a game and there is every chance they will go.

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Once again time will tell. The season is not that far away but you just dont see supporters of one club suddenly supporting another, most will be either lost to loi of will follow connacht instead. STD wont get the gufc fans to support them.

well they are the facts, it may not be up to your standards but we do what we can up here, and will continue to try. Enjoy your trip to Terryland, and Fahys, i might see you in Fahys but no way in terryland

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

So of the 1000 people Galway fans have said regularly attended GUFC games that leaves nearly 600 that didnt attend the meetings of the club they love so much that they wouldnt dream of watching anyone that didnt have GUST involved with them at a time when that club looked like it was about to die..

And just over 100 of these avid GUST lovers turned up to the most important meeting and vote that GUST ever had or will have. Im sure people involved with GUST and people tat really like GUST wont go to the games,but Galway fans saying the whole of Galway refuses to support them is ridiculous an awful lot of people at LOI games are just casual fans that want to watch a game and there is every chance they will go.

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It sounds like 116 turned up at 4 different meetings

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Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

It sounds like 116 turned up at 4 different meetings

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Not exactly the massive support GUST seem to think they have.

Nothing against GUSt but i would love to see a load of Galway fans take to this new team i dont want to see another club die soon...GUST as a club are dead they will never get in imo they have said themselves teh FAI have said they aim to have one club from Galway the plan is obviously to turn SD Galway into the new Galway....How likely is it the FAI will allow GUST in to get in the way of that next season?

Holy christ, it takes some convincing for you guys.

Put it this way, 1000 people turn up for a match. Of that number, a good quarter of that must be kids..at least. Another 200 or so, is people along for the occasion, fair weather fans you may say. Another 50-100 of that is away fans. That leaves 550-600 die hard fans in a way. If you can get 150 of those to turn up for a meeting on a week night, then fair fecks to you.

Let me ask you this, how many meetings for your club do you go to? And if you go, how many other people are there? I'd be most pleasantly surprised if there is ever more than 50-60 people there.

Wind yourself in man, take a look at the work these guys have done at GUST, stand back for one minute and look at the effort put in, the money raised, and the amount of s**t they've had to take over the past few years, which is all turning out for nothing at the minute.

I feel a serious sense of pity for these guys. I watched Harps nearly die this year and that hurt enough coming so close to the brink. Can't imagine what they're going through. But they have done a mammoth amount of work, put in serious amounts of hours and free time to raise money and work toward their own club and it's all been taken away from them. All I can say to Limerick fans is..your time will come.....again. So don't be too quick to judge.

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

Galway fans saying the whole of Galway refuses to support them is ridiculous an awful lot of people at LOI games are just casual fans that want to watch a game and there is every chance they will go.

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Since your looking for geezer to give facts and figures all the time, here are mine for the above statement. Maybe 10% of GUFC home games are casual fans, the main bulk of fans come from the hardcore support, the junior clubs members and the remainder are just kids. 33 of the 46 junior clubs playing in the Galway district league have rowed in behind GUST (a huge percentage of the football supporting public in the county of Galway) as they don't want their players from their parishes training with them for years to eventually join up with SD Galway as it is still Salthill by name, a parish club that they have continually played against in the juvenile and junior leagues.

SO, of that 10% casual fans I would guess that half of them will turn up for the SD Galway games, as even these people will be turned off the team by the amount of negative vibes that the local rags are printing about the whole situation (sports journalists in Galway feel the FAI are destroying Galway Senior Football forever with all the secretive meetings that went on between them and Salthill).

Thats leaves us with "MY" estimate of what the home crowds will be like in terryland. So, united had an average home gate of 850,of which an average of 700 home fans. 10% of these are casual fans leaving 70 fans. My guess is that half of these will turn up regularly to terryland still, leaving 35 fans. Add this to the regulars of the drom matchs which average 45-50 home fans/members at best (guess made from what I have personally witnessed, as i would have attended the drom in the past, but no more). This gives a total of 80-85 home fans that will regularly attend terryland next season. Add in a couple of fans that will be simply curious...."MY GUESS" for the coming season will be an home gate of 100 fans.

This would probably increase to 150-200 when the likes of Mervue, Limerick, Athlone and possibly Longford have the short enough trip to terryland.

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

Nothing against GUSt but i would love to see a load of Galway fans take to this new team i dont want to see another club die soon

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If this happened to Limerick would you feel the same, I know I wouldn't.

You've seen yourself the state of Salthill's support if Galway hadn't gone under would they have been sustainable for a few years??maybe

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Holy christ, it takes some convincing for you guys.

All I can say to Limerick fans is..your time will come.....again. So don't be too quick to judge.

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How do you not understand that bluewhitearmy is one person? :confused: I'd make a snide generalisation about all Finn Harps fans here but it would be as childish as the STD tag that a couple of the GUST fans have applied to Salthill in their anger.

Moving on, I do agree with Harpin. If one of our cowboy ex-chairmen (Drew, Finnan, McCarthy, the priest, pick your poison) hooked up with another local club and tried to pass themselves off as the new LFC I wouldn't have any interest in following them. I understand that part of the GUST situation.

Against that this declaration that nobody in Galway wants SD Galway is hyperbole at best. Obviously there are some people, however small in number, that are comfortable with the idea and the longer the new entity manages to function without shafting players, running itself into the ground and generally acting like GUFC have in the last few years the more people will slowly trickle towards the gates of Terryland.

This One City, One County, One Club soundbite is a bit bleh as well. It's a bit exclusionary of all the out of town fans that GUFC fans alluded to when all the clubs supporters had that big dick contest about how far afield they cast their fan net on this site a few months back. More significantly than that I can only presume that if this brave new dawn of one club is to happen the FAI want to give the opportunity to somebody who hasn't been involved with a club that failed as spectacularly as any of the ludicrous past regimes Limerick have specialised in over the years (that's GUFC in this case). The fact is that Salthill, miserable support or not, have avoided financial turmoil (publically at least) since taking the ambitious decision to step up to senior football which works in their favour. Sure they were awful on the football pitch last year but so were GUFC/ST. Overall the overwhelming certainty that the One Club of Galway can only take place with GUST (and perhaps their new best friends Corrib for structural purposes in 12 months time) is a bit smug.

I hope that the GUST people are not lost to the league forever, we have few enough supporters, and that they return to 'active duty', most likely under the auspices of a new club (if I was in their situation I couldn't see myself doing it any other way) as opposed to adopting one of the remaining ones but equally, as Cobh have just discovered, it can be tricky getting back in too. I have no doubt that the FAI want a club from Galway in the Sooper-dooper-will-definitely-work-or-at-least-be-less-work-16-team-league but equally I don't think they care how good or bad they are as long as they function. If SD Galway continue to do so (and the quieter the better) I suspect that they meet John Delaney's criteria for choosing clubs (and yes, I can only presume he'd LOVE if he had another Limerick club to stab us repeatedly with, pun intended).