haha Ireland vs Oman.. now there's a proper derby :D
Fair point - as a general rule, politicians should stay out of sport. I'm not against the idea of playing Palestine at all, but it doesn't seem to have got much traction.
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haha Ireland vs Oman.. now there's a proper derby :D
Fair point - as a general rule, politicians should stay out of sport. I'm not against the idea of playing Palestine at all, but it doesn't seem to have got much traction.
Tbh, it's not really a matter for the State, since the ROI team doesn't represent the State, it represents the FAI. Therefore it would be a matter for FIFA, since that is the body which governs relations between two Member Associations from different Confederations.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Or think of it this way, the Irish State doesn't recognise* Gibraltar, but ROI still play them in qualifiers etc.
* - In the sense of it being a sovereign, independent nation state.
Good start for Robbie with a 6-1 win in Toto cup
Wizard stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
He has a long road aheadQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Qualified in style to the group stages of Europa conference league. Currently, winning their opening game with 5 minutes left.
Top of the league after 3 domestic games.
Perfect start so far by Robbie. Hopefully he can continue like this.
Tommy - do you know who he has on his backroom team?
Wiki says Rory Delap is assistant manager. Mike Stowell and Andy Liddell (who I vaguely remember playing) also there
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabi_Tel_Aviv_F.C.
Cheers Stu! Interesting little collab he’s got going there.
Is Andy anything to Rod? The guy who.....Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Could be a rough few days in Tel Aviv for Robbie.
Terrible events. Hopefully he’s doing ok. And hopefully Hamas can be brought under swift control to ensure ongoing safety of his familyQuote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
Save your sympathy for someone who deserves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
He's a multimillionaire who could live and work in any country in the world. It says a lot about Keane that he chooses to accept the blood money of an apartheid, rogue entity that lives outside the law, in breach of multiple UN sanctions, and that carries out brutal daily atrocities against the defenceless, imprisoned, dispossessed people whose land and homes they stole.
Perhaps now the consequences of supporting such an entity is starting to hit home.
It emerges that Keane 'hid in a panic room' and has now 'fled the country'.
https://talksport.com/football/15932...-delap-israel/
Save your anti-Semitic rant for another forumQuote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
In fairness, while the overall topic is for another forum, your comment was "hopefully Hamas can be brought under swift control to ensure ongoing safety" and I think Trequartista's response was far from anti-Semitic or a rant in that regard. Was a fair response for me
It was, yes & his only concern was for Keane & his family also which I find distasteful with hundreds dead so far with women, children and people not involved at all mostly making up those numbers. Not a discussion for here, but Keane bought it like he saw it as the saying goes, a morally questionable career choice at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Yea sure.
Anyways, great start by Robbie. Top of league. Lost to Gent in Europe midweek for his first loss. Hopefully will keep up the results once play starts again
It's the go-to generic response when anything critical is said about Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sure it is
Hamas are terrorists and Israel are tyrants.... no good guys in this one
Really?? Why does criticism of Israel always have to be ‘antisemitic’? Such a childish insult to throw at someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
I’m disgusted by Hamas but I also am disgusted at the actions of the IDF.
Does that make me an islamophobe and antisemitic?
most of all, across the board, i really hope there's as few civilian deaths as possible. as always, when all is said and done, i suspect the palestinian deaths will end up a multiple of the israeli deaths (in the 2014 war, there were 73 deaths - 6 civilian - on the israeli side including IDF friendly fire and a civilian having heart attacks due to noise, versus 2251 deaths on the palestinian side - 65% civilian - using UNHCR figures)
i hope this doesn't offend anyone - but yesterday i couldn't help notice similarities in a number of respects to 1916. i've no doubt in today's parlance, Connolly, Pearse and everyone else would have been considered terrorists...
About as reasonable a take as there is on the situation. There’s a general tendency online to paint Israel as the sole culprits in all of this but their needless land grabs and complete inflexibility is matched equally on the other side in terms of rhetoric and aggression. A question for another thread but how on earth do you even begin to fix it? The occupation and land grabbing is definitely a root cause but even if that were to be reversed, the animosity towards Israel as a nation state from Hamas and all the other players in the region likely wouldn’t stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
The situation is similar - maybe more similar to the plantation in the north going back a few hundred years right thru to the subsequent “troubles” there after Irish independence - but either way the geopolitical context in the region is very different and adds a whole additional layer of complexity to the situation in the ME.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
It's a tricky question alright. I think you're right about one of the core causes and that has to stop. I think you're right that if it stopped tinnitus, Hamas et al wouldn't stop their bombings - and that'd be a really awkward position politically, to be attacked and to turn the other cheek. But in time the animosity would heal I think. Anglo-Irish relations have healed significantly in 40 years for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I do get the feeling this conflict, if similar to ours, is nastier. I don't know if we ever had an equivalent attack to today for example. I think general anti-Semitism in Islam is an extra layer to contend with too.
Dervla Murphy - whose 1976 book A Place Apart is credited with a small part in achieving peace in the North - wrote her last two travel books on trips to Palestine and Israel. The petty and daily racism the Palestinians encounter is amazing; the sort of stuff you never see in the news. She reckoned the only solution was the one-state solution; Israel has its claws into Palestinian territory too much. Is that achievable? Would power sharing have been considered achievable in a generation up North when Paisley was peak bigot?
Oh, and dismissing a post as an "anti-Semitic rant" with no follow up points is just a way of avoiding an actual debate. Same as how criticism of Islam is usually islamophobic or criticism of trans stuff is transphobic. To label someone "phobic" and make them out to be the bad guys, with no other points, is just lazy. It deserves to be ridiculed as an argument
Some solid points here. I would also add that there are outside influences contributing to this current conflict (namely Iran) who according to sources in America on Sunday morning were squarely behind this attack. Innocent lives on both sides have been lost because some people don't want peace in the regionQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Iran may well be behind it (financially? strategically?) - but I wouldn't trust US sources. Iran and the sanctions imposed on them are used by republicans and right leaning media to criticise Obama and Biden. There's also various lobby groups that would have a vested interest in increased sanctions on Iran. The links are there but it's easy to find sources to either downplay or overestimate. So, the extend of Iranian involvement is something I'd pause on for a little bit...Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
https://apnews.com/article/israel-ha...a579db79bec035
I think we can leave it there
If you want to continue discussing the conflict, please use the current affairs forum
Fair play to all (except one) on a brief and civilised debate on the issue.
Now, to get back to topic, hopefully Robbie and Delap are safe.
Take the apartheid shekel and you get everything you deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Edit: posted when reading chronologically, before I saw Tetsujin post.
You will not post that on this forum again. Criticism of a government or state is not anti-semitism, and parrotting the claim is propagandising. I will not tolerate it here. I'm not giving an infraction for this post, but if you repeat it, I'll suspend you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
To repeat what tets said, discussion on this subject is welcome, in the CA forum. This is a football thread, keep it football please.
Ive been checking CNN, BBC and al jazeera and not one of them mentioned that we need Israel to do well in the football to give us half a chance of a play off
Directly related to this and relating to football, is that in the UK, the premier league and the efl and most high profile clubs have adopted the IHRA definition of anti-semitism:Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1922439
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/ann...f-antisemitism
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detai...f-antisemitism (etc etc)
The definition is here: https://www.holocaustremembrance.com...n-antisemitism
Anyone who reads the examples can immediately see issues with many of them. It conflates criticism of zionism and Israel with criticism of judaism. The widespread acceptance of this definition, and the accusations of anti-semitism that then follow have led to this creeping concept that any criticism of israel is by default anti-semitic.
This letter does a better job of explaining the issues people have with it: https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...f-antisemitism
Thread opened in Current Affairs lads. Some interesting stuff surfacing on this.
Just one last point i'd like to make.
At one point in time, I was particularly anti-Israeli Goalkeepers.
And I would bet that Andy O'Brien was too at that time.
No more "last points". And no more warnings.
Maybe take the post as it was intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
A light-hearted way to bring it back to football.
I'm not sure Adam knows who Dudu Aouate was :)
Edit - crikey; he played 11 seasons in La Liga. Did not know that.
Even one of his own team-mates broke his nose at one point.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Possibly my least favourite Ireland game ever that one at home. And the away, now I think about it....