Do you feel the same about everyone that has ever taken a job in England?Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
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Do you feel the same about everyone that has ever taken a job in England?Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Israel is still doing it on a daily basis. Murdering Palestinian children on an almost daily basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Lots of countries foreign and domestic policies are revolting to most Irish peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
The states: Iraq and Afghanistan? That was mass murderer. At home death penalty and everyone is allowed own a gun!
But that doesn't mean Irish people shouldn't live and work there?
And as Ive said I hate what they are doing there, however if our own country and pretty much all countries in the world continue to have diplomatic and commercial relationships with Israel why should a man taking a job there be the one expected to take the stand? The same nonsense happened with LIV golf, the players were hammered for working for the Saudis while nations continue to do business with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Sports people are role models yes, but they also have jobs to do. If an opportunity arises that helps their career why should they be the ones that have to be the moral compass when governments dont.
Hmmm, Chris Andrews criticising Robbie Keane for working in a country whose government (people?) he characterises as "murdering *******s".
Any relation to the Chris Andrews who, when working for Fianna Fail in 2012, had this to say about Sinn Fein:
In this latest embarrassment [Andrew] engaged with other Twitter account users saying “… given what SF has done to innocent people it’s a bit much listening to you pontificate”.
He mocks one Twitter user for “believing everything Mahon report says but doesn’t belive (sic) that Gerry Adams was in the IRA!”.
Referring to the brutal 1972 murder of Belfast mother of 10 Jean McConville who was abducted from her Belfast home, shot in the back of the head, and her body buried in a Co Louth beach, he tweeted, “Was it not corrupt to bury mother of 10 Jean Mc Conville. Is that acceptable to you. Selective outrage I thinks.”
Other tweets referred to “workers on their way to bank raids” and “so Ira never done bank robberies”. In 2004, £26.5m was robbed from the Northern Bank in Belfast. Both the British and Irish governments blamed the IRA for carrying out one of the biggest bank raids in UK history. Sinn Féin has denied the IRA was responsible.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20242274.html
Still, at least Andrews never went to work for Sinn Fe.... oh, wait :rolleyes:
I absolutely hate what Israel do (and especially Dudu Awat, who I'd like to remind everyone had his nose broken by a team-mate in La Liga for being a ********) but the club exist, the various federations allow them to compete and they offered him a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Whilst I probably think Israel should be treated like apartheid SA, they arent't so Robbie is ok to take this job.
Who knows, maybe he'll bring peace to the region. Optimism, chaps.
If Niall Quinn was Mother Theresa maybe Robbie can be Mandela!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
Er, I think you mean Niall Quinn MBE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/nial...y-mbe-1.492591
Deserved it for his work with the poor in CalcuttaQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Ha ha. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Anyhow, at the risk of the Mods moving this to "Current Affairs", "Rubbish" or even deleting it entirely (understandable, I admit), I've never read Quinn's autobiography, but I have read Christopher Hitchens' biographical pieces on Mother Theresa and I cannot recommend them highly enough:
https://christopherhitchens.net/mother-teresa
Iconoclasm in the very best sense of the term!
Bringing the conversation back to Robbie Keane and football, is there any Irish players that might follow him there? Could Troy Parrott for example go there on loan instead of the English lower leagues? TBH I've not ever really given any consideration the the strength of the league there but I always like the idea of our players going abroad rather than just England.
It's funny u should say thatQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
One of the lads hates her and has always said she was doing way more harm than good
Who knows I might owe him an apology
I don’t like the political debate but feel obligated to weigh in with some balance. Prior to leaving Ireland and having close Israeli and Palestinian friends, I would have identified with a lot of the rhetoric.
Israeli-Palestine relations are extraordinarily complicated, the Irish media portrayal of the conflict is the most one sided view that I’ve observed. Forgotten is the recurrent persecution of the Jewish people, the “valid” claims on both sides, the fact that many Palestinians (nomadic by nature at that time) happily sold their land to settling Jews too in the late 19th early 20th century so there was a strong “legal” Jewish presence. And by far and away, the average Israeli Jewish person wants peace, are happy for a two state solution but unfortunately Palestine have no control over Hamas (whose main objective is to destroy Israel) leading to zero trust on the Israeli part. Yes, Israel have a lot of strong financial support, but without this Israel would have ceased to exist years ago. Should they not have a right to secure their country? Obviously they’ve completed over reacted at times, but is it okay for them just to permissibly stand by while Hamas attach and rely purely on their defense system?
The Irish history of English oppression naturally lend itself to the Irish people supporting the underdog but the level of biased reporting is remarkable in the Irish media. Suffice to say it is complicated, there are clear wrongs on BOTH side, and there is no easy end in sight exacerbated with current Israeli hardline government and uncontrolled Hamas.
I don’t think this forum is the appropriate place for a debate on the Middle East conflict, it would be nice to move on. I wish Robbie well, and have no qualms with him taking the Tel Aviv job from a profesional standpoint. The fact that so many Irish seem to have an issue is pretty sad in my book
Britain was a massive contributor to the zionist plantation of Palestine for their own political and anti semitic reasons. A decent overview of he istael/Palestine issue is covered in 10 myths about Israel by llan Pappe a n Israeli academicQuote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Let's keep the discussion to Robbie Keane's appointment as manager.
If you want to discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, please take it to current affairs
Robbie could use his position to advocate for Palestinians and to help raise the issue which would be helpful as unfortunately Israel manages to shut down any real discussion of the issue with its very successful attempts to potrat critism of the zionist policy of ethic cleansing and plantation as anti semitism by cynically categorising judaeism and zionism as one and the same .Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
He could if he wishes to get the sack immediately. If he does that then he will be due credit of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Great credit. Difficult to imagine his contract would preclude him from commenting on political issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
off topic posts following the request above moved to Current Affairs
Hopefully not given the large turnover of managers at that club. Robbie will be doing extremely well if he lasts the full season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Not all of them clearly. Selective admin’ing again in this forum. No shortage of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
They clearly mention Robbie Keane, the posts that were moved did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
There are 6, possibly 7 posts on page 373 of this thread that do mention Robbie Keane and are not relevant in any way. Some of them clearly even less relevant to his career move than some of those that were moved.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
it is very clear and has been made very clear on previous occasions that admin’ing of this forum is highly selective.
What I don't understand is that if he wanted to take a job in a violent and troubled conflict zone with a polarising club, why did he not just ask Rovers for a job?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
He'll be set up perfect for the divisiveness of the Ireland job never mind Rovers
If you have a problem with tets, take it to support. No more off topic posts on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
I know where you're coming from, but the Championship is something like the 6th best supported league in Europe. It may or may not be the 6th best in terms of quality, but I doubt it's far off. Israeli clubs don't have the money to attract players of the same calibre. Here's Maccabi Haifa's tranfer record, for example - https://www.transfermarkt.com/maccab...rs/verein/1064 - with their biggest transfers being in the €1M-2M range. I doubt there's anything there to attract or challenge a player like Parrott. But maybe someone a little younger again, or someone based in League 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
All of which are before I posted that off topic posts would be moved.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
I suppose we're assuming Parrott's Preston stint has earned him another Championship loan, which mayn't be the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
They kept playing him, didn't they?
Have Preston indicated they don't want him? Because that would be a blow?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Also can tom Cannon just decide please
Why the wait yes or no son
Well towards the end of the season I think they commented on how well Tom Cannon had worked out and they'd take him again, but made no mention of Parrott. I think Demesne Lad posted a link on one or other of their threads. It didn't give much hope that Parrott would be going back there this season.
I don't see any solid news about his upcoming season yet, but plenty of time of course
They did - possibly in part because once they signed Cannon, Ched Evans got a life-threatening illness which left them short up front again. They scored less than a goal a game which normally gets you in a relegation battle; it's not great on the CVQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
Edit - those Preston comments (or lack thereof) are posts 216-219 here - https://foot.ie/threads/279283-Tom-C...=1#post2150181)
He did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
I doubt he'll last 6 months. Would be a waste for any players to head out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
cYou're probably right based on their recent managerial record, but I hope he doesn't well enough to get a 2nd look at a more stable club.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Given the excalation of events I wonder is he starting to have any doubts? Not just on moral grounds but also security.
I see Stevie Me has gone to Saudi now.
Security might be an issue for him - Not trying to be rude, but I'm fairly sure he's no expert on geopolitics/ethics. A genius footballer in his day and probably just consumed by the game on every level.
Kinda related, but I haven't seen elsewhere on the forum yet: I saw a few days ago that a TD proposed that Ireland play Palestine in a football friendly. That would be a great idea, IMO and I'm sure would provide a lift to the Palestinians (who have more to worry about in fairness, but would appreciate the symbolic solidarity). Would FIFA punish us somehow for playing against them?
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Originally Posted by texidub
They play friendlies and qualifiers all the time,can’t see why it would be an issue??
Sorry, I meant UEFA.. we'd be the 1st european side to play them, I think?
From reading around they've played a bunch of "unofficial" matches against sides outside of the AFC, including a friendly against Dynamo Moscow once apparently. Regardless, there's no rules preventing nations from different confederations arranging friendlies against the other. I mean, we all remember our rivalry with Oman. Would the fact that the state doesn't recognise Palestine be an issue in that regard?
Anyway, I would say that the Irish team shouldn't be arranging friendlies on the basis of political opinion.