yet still 15th in the list of epl scorers....Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
pretty decent if youre to be honest
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yet still 15th in the list of epl scorers....Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
pretty decent if youre to be honest
Decent alright but still not Premier League Top Four level.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
what record is Top Four Level?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
have a look at all the so called world class players robbie is ahead of including utd, arsenal etc players who are considered top class "top four" players...Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/all-time
Regular appearance over a period of time for a club that was regularly in the top four when Robbie was playing for them . He was either not playing for these clubs or when he was he was not a regular starter for those clubs when they were in the top four .Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
That definition would mean there's been very few top four strikers in Premier League history.
Does that rule Shearer out of the top 4 epl strikers?
He won the league with Blackburn and was 2nd-4th with Newcastle several times. One could argue the definition of top four, but Newcastle were in the mix in the 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Robbie was not as good at club level as some people seem to wish for .
When he went to Liverpool did he make himself undroppable . I don’t believe Liverpool were winning the league then !
He was not top drawer in the premier league . If he was then the top drawer clubs of the premier league would have bought him . Liverpool did and he was not good enough to force his way into the team . If he was not Irish and had scored so many goals for Ireland it would be much easier to get agreement on this .
International football bar say the top 30 ( perhaps even 20 ) teams is a far lower level than the premier league .
Newcastle were in the mix before Shearer joined them in the 90's but waned until Robson's time, altogether Shearer played with a top 4 team 5 times out of 14 or so seasons. There are probably many other EPL strikers with better epl records and titles than Shearer, but that does not mean they are better strikers.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Would it exclude Jermaine Defoe - eighth overall in the all time top scorers list?
Probably Les Ferdinand as well - tenth overall
Mourinho seems to have put Troy, on the not ready yet Limb . Not surprising really considering the lad is only 17 or has he turned 18 .
Robbie had an excellent season with Coventry and reasonably excellent 5 or 6 seasons with Spurs when they were just a middling team, in that period he stood his ground with some of the world's top strikers . That season with Berbatov was worth the price of 3.
His record in the MLS far outshines any other ex EPL striker, a credit to his level of professionalism.
Who gives a f f if he wasn't better than Henry or Bergkamp or Shearer or whoever in the EPl.
Robbie was a really good player. Shearer, Van Niestlerooy, Aguero and Henry were all absolutely outstanding players so harsh to put him up against them as they were all world class.
In my opinion, Robbie was that level below world class. Perhaps at wc 2002 and at times with Ireland and Spurs, he was there or nearly there.
I've been watching Troy for a few years. I think he is a world class 17 year, but a lot to do to become a world class 21 or 22 year old. The talent is there though.
I'm possibly most excited by Knight and Molumby at the current time though.
and 5th highest foreign scorer in the epl...Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Three goals in two games would normally ensure you start the next couple, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
No, they lost the league that season by four points to Manchester United, having sold Keane in January, leaving David N'Gog as the main back-up for Fernando Torres. They had a string of draws in the immediate aftermath of dropping an in-form Robbie from the starting line-up, barely even using him from the bench. I always remember the contrast with Fredrico Macheda, who won United four points with late winners in the run-in, which was ultimately what separated the two clubs in the end. Liverpool had a very strong second half to the season without Keane but it wouldn't have taken much of a contribution from him to get Liverpool over the line that year. Benitez cut off his nose to spite his face.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
I agree overall that Keane wasn't in the very top bracket of great PL strikers but, as Geysir says, who cares really?! He was very, very good. (Maybe these could be moved to RK's own thread, Tets?).
What's the obsession with debating "how good" Robbie was???
It really mystifys me and I hope he never sees some of the things people say here. Let alone elsewhere.
If I were him I would tattoo 67 on my forehead and let that be that. Because really it should be.
But, I know it's fun to debate things, though. And I'm glad someone mentioned Keane and Berbatov. I remember urging my father, who had long since grown weary of modern football to please watch these two play. They were simply incredible. A joyous thing. And like The Clash (Cut The Crap doesn't count) or The Smiths, it was all genius and over far too quickly. Or maybe when it was just right.
If circumstances were different and Robbie had less of a nomadic club career, I reckon he'd be now in the "world class" bracket, whatever that means. Indeed, I would suggest if he came along now, he'd achieve that exalted status. It was a different time altogether back then.
It's nothing new. It always rankled me that Irish fans put him down given the results and commitment he had for us over the whole span of his career. I'd rate him a smidge behind the best strikers of his generation (and as you say, if he'd found the right team at the right time, who knows what might have been), but people used go on like we should drop him in favour of ... dunno really. David ****ing Connolly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
Wow, had forgotten that volley against Fulham. As well as being a great box player he really did score some goals that were technically very difficult. The one for Liverpool at Arsenal was arguably even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
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Robbie to me is one of most under appreciated sport people ever in Ireland. We never had any one like him before or since. People criticized him for scoring goals against lower ranked teams, we've proven in recent years that we dont do that easily without him. He got some brilliant and important goals for us too. Will never forget him travelling to an away game for us to play the week his father died, especially when so many players these days look for excuses not to play.
He was and is still ridiculed for saying that both Liverpool and Celtic were his boyhood clubs. I get people in England not understanding that but it always annoys me when I hear Irish people take the p!ss out of him for that. When I was growing up (and Im a similar age to Robbie) I supported United, and like everyone else I knew supported Celtic.
He had an excellent club career, probably was unlucky a couple of times with moves not working out like they should, but he was a high end Premiership striker for a long long time and that takes an excellent player to do.
Revisionism is a hilarious thing sometimes, recently I was talking to a young cousin of mine who was in stitches when I said that Roy Keane was one of the best players in the world when he was top of his game. He had a view that Roy was just a kicker and that Gerrard and Vieria were the 2 great midfielders in England at that time and Roy was a bit crap. Now the kid is only 16 but it maddened me that there was that opinion around. I think Robbie still suffers from that sort of viewpoint. Maybe its because hes Irish and we dont appreciate what we had but year on year he was a regular goal scorer in a top league. He was never an Henry or Van Nistleroy but he was probably at the high end of the next level and thats not bad!
Connolly, then Kevin Doyle and in later years Shane Long. Laughable looking back at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Jonathan Woodgate (and presumably Robbie Keane) sacked by Middlesbrough. To be replaced by Neil Warnock. It was coming really.
They should ask to stay and get some Lessons from the Auld Dog. Warnock really is something else ! Is he about 72 years old now ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Can you imagine a 72 year old taking your job ?
Most of us can't even imagine being fired as often as the average football manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Of course, there are exceptions...
Not just being replaced by one of the oldest managers in football but one from the graveyard, Warnock unwrapped only need to sleep walk a few results for Boro to keep them up.
Has Robbie run out of dreams now? or as the song goes, 'people don't run out of dreams, they run out of time'?
He may manage his boyhood club next.
Well that gives him lots of options!
Hearing some rumors that Robbie is being lined up to take over as manager of LA Galaxy. Would be a good 1st step into management with him considering he is a club legend over here
Robbie's the true LA Galaxy legend, but Beckham got the statue.
Only in USA!!
Beckham was great for Galaxy from a profile point of view, all about the dollarsQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
https://www.football365.com/news/eve...erpool-ireland
Interesting piece on Robbie for F365.
'easily the most exciting youngster in English football at the time... '
Apart from Michael Owen and several others.
After appearing for both sides in a Liverpool-Celtic Legends game, Keane had a brief interview with fourfourtwo about his time at Liverpool
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...gainst-arsenal
Set to join BigSams four games to save the world mish at Leeds. No panic going on there then & a dream move again for him.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023...ion-firefight/
Appointed manager of Maccabi Tel Aviv, bizarrely.
Should rule him out of the running as Kenny's successor for the immediate future anyway. Interesting to see how he gets on.
That's unexpected for sure. Conference qualifiers in a month too. Real sink or swim there from a cursory look at Israeli club football, he'll be expected to challenge for titles immediately.
Boyhood dream etc etc etc
How about just wishing him luck. He deserves a shot at management as much as anyone else. You probably would be unfamiliar with the The Fields of Athenry if it wasn't for Robbie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Fair play and best of luck to him. Interesting location to camp up at in his first proper managerial role. I was going to ask whether he had any connections to get in there but he's well connected as it is so could be any link at all.