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They don't call him Woy for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Just took a couple of nasty challenges from Hutton, receiving treatment. Hope nothing serious, Shay has been over to check all is OK.
been taken off as a precautionary measure by Hodgson, Tchoyi on and Cox remains on the bench
What's the story, has he damaged anything? I saw on BBC Long (Tchoyi 19) and almost immediately thought "Oh sh1t, he's injured isn't he"
A couple Crunching tackles from Hutton apparently... Doesn't day anything more on Sky app... Sounds like he was done.
Hutton had a petulant kick at him earlier after Long had barged him off the ball but a free-kick hadn't been given. That wasn't how he got injured though.
Hutton launched himself off the ground. Looked like got the ball first, it bounced off Long and out for a throw. Hutton's follow-through made Long do a near somersault. He tried to run it off for about 5 minutes but had to go off.
Some woeful decisions so far - Chris Herd sent off for a stamp, when he was just disentangling his leg from Olsson's body after Olsson had fallen when trying to get to a cross. Not even Olsson was looking for anything.
Hodgson fears Long has serious knee injury. Awaiting results of scan.
Flying in eyes closed, good lord.
Hope he is going to be OK.
BBC report here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15415631.stm
It always seems that good news for Ireland is so rapidly followed by bad new. Hoping that is not the case this time!! Will have to wait and see.Quote:
"If ever I've seen a challenge that merited a red card, it was Hutton on Long," added the Baggies boss. "It is a scan job but Long is lucky because he could have had two broken legs.
"Maybe the scan will show it wasn't as bad as all that. We don't think it is a cruciate knee ligament injury, which is good.
"But there are a lot of other ligaments in knees which can keep you out for a long time. It is a relatively serious injury."
If he is OK maybe we could switch to 4-2(wingers)-4.
Just seen the tackle, an absolute disgrace, basically assault.
However Long didn't look too bad walking away afterwards which is a good sign.
What else would you expect from that thug....
Just saw it. Barbaric. No duty of care shown by Hutton to his opponent whatsoever. Linkeker and Hansen were laughing about it on MoTD. This isn't the first time Hansen has defended barbarity. He defended a reckless 2 footed lunge by Essien last year. Essien won the ball, but if he hadn't his opponent was out for a year. Get Hansen off the screens. Dinosaur. That's another part of the EPL I loathe, the acceptance of lack of due care shown to players' safety. They tolerate all kinds of savagery. They think it's all about whether the ball is won or not. They have no broad understanding of the game whatsoever. They wouldn't know a skillful tackle from a version of assault in a hundred years.
On the hyperbole pills tonight are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I think we need to be clear on the difference between a lunge and a robust challenge, dunnes tackle in moscow was a robust challenge, very firm but put his hold body in. It wasn't a lunge in the air with two feet and fingers crossed to get the ball, it was well timed and precise.
Huttons was something out of Monday Night Raw off the ropes, except the chest was Longs lower body. He luckily got the ball first. Had he not Long more than likely would have been in serious trouble especially if either of his feet stuck in the turf.
No, not at all. Did you see Essien's tackle last year? Did you see MoTD tonight ? The studio reaction was a disgrace. I stand by every remark that you have highlighted in bold. My own football career ended with a dislocated ankle and badly torn ligaments from a fecking stupid and unnecessary late tackle. So late I had already seen my clearance from my own six yard line go into touch when the contact was made with my standing foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by kev mcq
Interesting that you decided not to highlight the words "duty of care". That's what the courts use to decide whether injury on a sports field is worthy of assualt claims or not. Tell me how much duty of care Hutton showed? Ask any pro in any sport, soccer or rugby or whatever. Strong, robust tackles are fine, even if not successful. Tackles that show no duty of care are not. Hutton's was in that category and don't tell me otherwise.
Awful awful tackle, both feet off the ground and flying in at pace, how Dowd didn't give it was a foul is beyond me but he's beyond imcompetent as a ref so shouldn't really be surprised.....
Twas a straight red every time, though in fairness to the MOTD guys it appeared they agreed as much even if they were a bit flippant about it. Long didn't look too uncomfortable coming off so fingers crossed.
Dreadful tackle. Shame he had to come off cos he was gunning to get one back over on Hutton and I would have liked to see that
Yes I did see it. Hansen said 20 years ago that tackle would probably get you a new contract and he's probably not far wrong TBH. Lawrenson then said he should have been sent off. I think it was probably a red, but not quite as bad as everyone made out really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Sorry to hear about your own injury.
Gaddafi called; He's appalled at Shane's manhandling.
Hutton seems like a knucklehead at the best of times and was probably following instruction, albeit too...enthusiastically. Shane seemed positive enough on TV last night though so fingers crossed for some good news tomorrow.
Alex McLeish: “In the penalty box, we see them 100 times and unfortunately Shane got injured. Not everyone gets injured with those challenges. I understand what the argument will be, it will be that he’s got the ball and followed through and collided with the player, but how can you stop in mid-air?”
He shouldn't be in mid-air, that's the argument. Nothing to do with any follow throughs. And no, you don't see that type of tackle 100 times.
I think that was a worse tackle than the one that did for Eduardo at Birmingham in 2008. Also under McLeish btw.
I'd agree with you Stutts, I thought it was an absolute shocker. When it's not actually that bad, you'd hear the victim usually brush it off as being part of the game. Shane pointedly said he was lucky his feet left the ground or he'd have gotten a broken leg. He never mentioned that Hutton had apologised either.
A premeditated neanderthal assault from Hutton, imo.
Whilst the injury to Shane is regretable, I actually don't think it is of consequence to Trap's plans. I think irrespective of whether Long is fit for the playoff, it is hard to see past Trap going with Keane and Cox up front.
Hodgson rages at 'vicious' Hutton after tackle leaves Long facing lengthy spell out
West Brom boss Roy Hodgson believes there is 'no room in football' for the challenge by Aston Villa defender Alan Hutton which has left his striker Shane Long facing a lengthy lay-off.
Hodgson's joy at the Baggies 2-1 away win - their first in the league at Villa Park for 32 years - was tempered by Long's knee ligament injury sustained in Hutton's lunging first-half challenge.
Albion expect the results of the scan on the Republic of Ireland international early next week but Hodgson is fearing the worst after Long limped out of the action.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1bcsXBeeW
I thought Long walked off rather than limped off. Anyway we'll hear soon enough about the damage.
It looked a straight red reckless tackle. What did the ref see?
Referee saw a fair tackle and gave Villa a throw-in.
I think the ref missed it completely.
Long out for 6 weeks. Just announced on Last Word.
Bad news, from https://twitter.com/#!/chrislepkowsk...22341499146240
out for six weeks, and the ref didn't even give a free for the tackle.Quote:
Shane Long out for up to six weeks. Severe bone bruising and a small bone chip in his right knee
SHANE Long could face up to six weeks
on the sidelines after a scan this
evening confirmed the extent of the
knee injury he suffered at Villa on
Saturday.
Long was forced to leave the field in
the 19th minute after a challenge by
Alan Hutton eight minutes earlier.
The force of the tackle resulted in the
Republic of Ireland international
suffering severe bone bruising, and a
small bone chip, inside his right knee.
mobile.wba.co.uk/runtime/wba/article?articleId=2492762
Bad news this. What is the latest on Robbie? Is Doyle back for the home leg?
Terrible news, but I never seriously believed Trap would play Long anyway, certainly based on the most recent matches.
Its too bad but could've been much worse...this could be Cox's chance to prove he is a Premier League striker
Yep, only if both Robbie & Doyle were out would he have figured.
Doyle is back for home leg.
Walters' cameo against Armenia might prove very valuable. I hope Best gets a call up.
Trap started Keane and Cox away to Macedonia didn't he? Might well be the same setup in Talinn.
I dont think so. Trap rates the Estonians as very physical so it was always going to be Long and i think he'll choose Walters over Cox for this. Saying that, it could well be Walters Cox if Keano doesnt make it.
In a way it may be a good thing to cut down on the surfeit of strikers, it concentrates the mind.
Walters has shown himself, both for club and country to be up to the task just lately, and this may be whats needed to get him a start. If the estonians prove to be as physical as Trap expects then a bruiser like Walters who is hard to push around and who can hold the ball up well should do the job, especially if he's along with a fit Keane. But Cox beside him would do just as well. I'm not worried (yet).
I'd be tempted to have Sean Scannell in ahead of Keogh, he's scored 3 and got 4 assists with Palace so far this season.
Agreed, put in a great cross for Paddy McCarthy's goal on Saturday and has helped Palace to fourth in the table after they only narrowly escaped relegation last year. Similarly to Keogh he can play on the wing or up front (though I think he prefers the wing). Wouldn't mind seeing him on the right and Pilkington on the left in a friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo