JD is probably peddling him for peanuts to Desmond and throwing in the plane ticket for free.
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JD is probably peddling him for peanuts to Desmond and throwing in the plane ticket for free.
Most Celtic fans don't...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Even better!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Why??
A bit of entertainment is always nice.
Hardly entertaining unless RMK as a pundit...what happens one day when some moron offers him the full Ireland job...that won't be pleasant.
Would any LOI club want him near their club, bar Cork or Cobh? Long-term, I doubt it.
Tbf, Stutts, I meant geysir's glass, not my own...which is often perpetually empty!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
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If any LOI could afford Keane I'm sure there'd be plenty who'd take him on. He wasn't as bad a manager as people made him out to be.
Hmm, Sunderland and Ipswich fans would generally disagree...
I could not give less of a **** about whether Sunderland and Ipswich fans agree or disagree. I'll take Niall Quinn's word for how good a job he did for them. He did a great job at Sunderland but struggled at Ipswich, it happens.
Not what my Mackem pals tell me...if you leave out the swearwords, 'bottle merchant' is as good as it gets.
Thanks, but no thanks. Not that he'll last two years anywhere...
If your Mackem pals are anything like Paul O'Shea's posse at YBIG I think I'll stick with the chairman of the club where he was such a success who, having been the coach before him, knew exactly how challenging a job it was to take on.
Celtic chief exec peter lawell saying this afternoon that they have spoken to roy but he is one of 5-10 outstanding candidates they have in mind for the job.
Yes, which is why he walked out on them...almost six years ago, btw. He got them promoted, but 'success', that's just silly...they only just avoided releagtion and then even his own players celebrated when he left!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Go figure...
Sunderland were relegated with a lowest points total the season before Keane took over. They were bottom off the Championship after five games when he arrived. I think to almost anybody, promotion would have appeared a big ask at that point. He didn't only get them promoted, he won the division. He then kept them up in 15th place in the PL (just two seasons after the PL's worst ever performance by any club). The way he left them was poor, no doubt, but he obviously did an excellent job while managing at that particular football club. If it wasn't for Keane's job there, Sunderland may not be the established PL side they are now. He might have spent poorly at times and fallen out with players but I think everybody agrees it's a results game, and he definitely got the results there. From where Sunderland were at the time, getting them back to the PL and keeping them there was very much a 'success'.
I think I read that Brendan Rodgers is already the third longest serving manager in the EPL. It seems like he only arrived at Liverpool yesterday.
According to this the average tenure is 54 weeks.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...clarke-2929492
So, does Keane's spell really single him out as some kind of under performer?
I disagree. He's a walking disaster area in football management, in his case, literally...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Though acknowledge Stutts point about managers now only getting a year to turn things round generally, which is plain silly...
Would that change to metaphorically if he was in a wheelchair, or took coaching sessions on a pogo stick?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
But he's not, that we know of. Talking of his walking away from jobs when the going gets 'tough', a surprising trait given his personal attitude as a player...
I'm a bit undecided on all of this. On one hand Keane creates an unnecessary sideshow and on the other, if he were to leave, it'd further undermine the status of the BIG in the Irish public's eyes.
Either way. I suppose our media never needs a second chance to elevate the personal situation of Cork footballers over thoughtful coverage of our national team.
The question for us is not his managerial acumen. We have him as an assistant and it's a curious combination, him and O'Neill and Ireland.
He's only in the door a few months, we haven't yet have had a game in anger and he's looking for another job or at very least putting himself forward.
He's probably there or thereabouts, the highest paid intl assistant manager in the history of the game.
At the very least, this is fickle and demonstrates a serious lack of commitment to the job at hand, 'Oh I'll be your assistant manager until a better offer comes, or if a better offer comes I will pursue it publicly' , 'I'll do what I feel like doing'.
Well that's maybe the Roy Keane way and maybe some here think it's acceptable or tolerable behaviour, I don't.
Nicely summarised geysir, on fire there recently with a few posts...I like.
I'd be reasonably sure Tardelli was on more money than Keane is getting.
Tardelli was on ca Eur 614,500 p/a when Trap was on Eur 1.7m p/a , which (must have) made him the highest paid backroom boy in Intl football.
Those salaries were cut back a bit in 2012.
Regardless, Tardellii's no longer employed and his salary no longer can be used to compare against Roy's salary, a reputed Eur 700,000.
There's only one source for it being 700k and most seem to think it's more like 500k, possibly performance-related, but you're right that it's a ridiculous sum to be spending on an assistant manager who may now leave before he's even faced a competitive game.
Would it have been as major an issue if Tardelli had left us for club management, even in advance of the first qualifier? The assistant manager role is just be glorified because it's Keane and the 'traitor' aspect is definitely going to be heightened because it's Keane! The timing wouldn't be ideal I guess but they don't really get to choose when these opportunities come along.
Keane came on board with a view to getting himself back into contention for a manager job at some stage in the future, it just happened that he may have got a very good offer much sooner than thought. The Celtic job would be very difficult for him to turn down if offered it and I wouldnt necessarily blame him if he took it.
Id much rather keep him in the Ireland set up but if he feels that he is just watching games without having much of an input into the team then he could be very tempted to be the boss again. Im not saying thats necessarily the case, but I think O'Neill did say last week that they tend to do their own thing and dont talk much?
This rubbish Ive read about some people saying that he would be walking out on his country again is absolute nonsense. He is a professional and like any good professional he is ambitious. Celtic do offer a good route back into management and if he did well there other doors would open in the future.
Im a Celtic fan and I would be happy enough to have him in charge. His management career to date has been mixed but most managers have had failures. Steve Bruce is a good example I think, he has done well at some clubs and a disaster at others but nobody wrote his career off like they have with Keane. Bruce has done very well again this season with Hull.
All in all I would much rather he stay in the Ireland set up for at least one campaign of qualifiers, he could possibly learn a lot from O'Neill in that time and be a better manager in the future for it, but if he take a job at a club as big as Celtic then I think it would be hard to blame him.... and its definitely not a case of him deserting his country or some sh1te like that!
I wouldn't be too bothered if he does go and wouldn't see the fuss about it, but can't really imagine that Celtic would be looking for hims as manager.
It's not about us missing him.
If O'Neill wanted him, it was for reasons that O'Neill valued, so now there's a gap in the plan. It's up to O'Neill to fill that gap with somebody that can really assist him.
I'd have little doubt that Keane had good value as an assistant, even I might not value him half as much at the helm.
If Keane does go, Roddy Collins is free.
After you wrote that, I checked out a few sources for the salary, afaics most/many/at least half, of the sources go for the figure of Eur2m for the pair, 1.3m + .7mQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Bonuses were on top of that total Eur2m figure, for not failing to qualify for Eur 2016.
so is Pat DolanQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
That would be ideal, he's already half the players' agent. Would really cut down on his phone bill.
Kevin Kilbane could fill Roys boots on the sideline.
Fill his boots with what? red ants?
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
So could Stan, so what...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Keane obviously wants to go and is waiting on celtic. its very bad form and unprofessional on his part. If celtic don't go for him I'm wondering whether he should be kept on at all...don't want silly distractions coming up to major games about some.new position and Roy linked. I'm sure Martin doesn't want that either
Nah, keep him on. Virtually no club deserves him...
There is the possibility Roy could balance the two jobs. It's up to Martin and Roy. Celtic wouldn't have a problem with that and neither would the FAI.
I think the general consensus is that O'Neill would have a problem with that. I think he might be getting a bit sick of the circus that surrounds Keane.