Sorry, just applying Poe's Law. I guess my sarcasm detector must be a little off beam.
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Sorry, just applying Poe's Law. I guess my sarcasm detector must be a little off beam.
Where? I just read over the posts in this thread since McCarthy was sacked. Yours aside, the only really negative one reckond Byrne wouldn't last the year. That was it, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
I actually wasn't directly referring to this forum. It's rampant on YBIG and the 42 and Off The Ball were presenting it as a disaster for Jack when Mick was sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Fair enough.
Starting today, looks like he’s going to be given a chance under the new manager. Got about a half hour off the bench in the last two games. Hopefully has a good game.
Playing Apollon who are top too, so it’s a real vote of confidence. 0-0 half time.
hooked at half time.
Jack Byrne out for 3 months with a back issue, will obviously be out of Kennys squad , if he would have made it anyway i guess.
Wonder is it the same issue he had late in the season after the international break. Certainly wasn't the same player towards the end for Rovers, culminating in a poor performance in the cup final by his standards. Id put in down to his bad dose of covid but maybe it was more the back problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I dont know for sure but i noticed him holding his back regularly in the last game of the season against Shels before the cup final plus he missed all of the second pre season so its possible
I'm fairly certain he had a back injury for the latter stages of the league campaign. Picked it up playing golf during the break was the rumour I heard at the time. Bradley mentioned it in an interview but I can't find it now. Possibly got worse as he was hit hard at one point, I think in that Shels game. Remember being in a rage about it at the time as I knew he was carrying a knock and it looked like he'd been targeted.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Hope he gets sorted and kicks on now.
It can't have been too obvious as he'd have had to pass a physical in Cyprus.
Obvious enough if you were watching him for Rovers but yeah, he was still able to get out and play with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
He's had a back injury since the start of the 2020 season. I don't know if this is the same one but it did hamper his playing and keep him out of the March squad last year.
Interviewed on OTB today. Really good interview. Sounds like he is already invested into the set up at APOEL. Was given the opportunity to do his surgery and recovery in Ireland but refused it. Speaks about the different nationalities in the dressing room and how he is enjoying the integration. Speaks very well of Mick McCarthy and Stephen Kenny and others.
Yeah, I heard the interview as well and I can understand the love for him on this forum a lot better now, as he seems like a really warm person.
Making the great sacrifice of insisting to rest and recover on the harsh beaches of Cyprus. Fair play!
He had a little joke about the weather too- "you've made a good decision in terms of weather, Jack. It's about 20 degrees over there now at this time of year." "No, it's colder today, Eoin. It's only 19."Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
It was great to hear that Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor, as well as Stephen Kenny, all reached out to him before his surgery to wish him the best. As he said each time, "he didn't have to do that."
Looks like he'll have a short term loan to the UK until January, then move to new MLS club Charlotte FC in 2022: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-40779363.html
Think Chris McCann had a similar arrangement before he went to Atlanta
He could go back to Rovers?
So let's be honest he wasn't international standard was he? And we have a poor team at the moment.
You're probably right, I had made the argument before that when he was in Ireland squads and training alongside better players he obviously didnt stand out enough to get picked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
That being said, this is another example of choosing the wrong club being bad for his career. Making bad career choices seem to be what hes best at! All his choices bar the loan move to Holland and signing for Rovers were awful. Wigan and Oldham were disasterous choices for the type of player he is. Where you play matters, and you need the right club and manager that can develop you especially as a young player. The move to Cyprus was a nice cash grab, the injury immediately after arriving didnt help, but when you land in a club thats as unstable as APOEL you have to expect that the manager that wanted you was going to be gone quickly.
So many footballers seem to be advised so badly.
Not sure if it was the wrong club, certainly not financially by the sound of it.
Things conspired against him at APOEL but as career moves go he will do well out of it. Unlikey to play for Ireland again you would imagine but he’ll be grand.
I still think he was worth a place in the (current, wojus) squad. Unlucky at APOEL with Mick getting the sack, him getting a back injury, and the financial problems from missing out on Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
But he was a standout player in the LoI, and I think unfortunately that does put in perspective any LoI players' callup claims.
Agreed. He did absolutely fine for me when he got his chance at our version of international standard football. Made a few mistakes but also created things and got us moving the ball better than other options we had/have. Imop of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The back injury had been holding him back even before the move to Cyprus. He was anonymous in the cup final for Rovers when we lost to Dundalk. Surgery may have fixed it...but maybe he's at the end of his development and that's that. A shame but he was always going to need to be in peak physical shape to make his more unique talents work at higher levels. That doesn't seem likely to happen now.
Anyone who thinks he's anything more than a pub league player needs to watch the video at this link:
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/1...tyler-roberts/
I knew when he under hit that pass that he would never, ever play for Ireland again. It was criminal at that level, you just can't have players that weak playing for you internationally.
I feel bad typing this because I've heard him interviewed and he seemed like a great guy. I really think that the LOI is a net negative to the international set-up, we're stuck with a terrible manager for another ten months just to appease the fans of this rubbish.
You can't judge a player based off one pass FFS
You can if what you know about football wouldn't fit on a broken cornflake. 🙂Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Whatever about one bad pass, at 25 years of age now and having played for seven different clubs, I don't think it's unreasonable to make an overall call on Jack Byrne. I hope he has a positive career wherever he goes from here, but he's just not an international quality footballer.
It was obviously too big a step up for Byrne at the time. The pace / anticipation of the Welsh player was not something he was used to. We were chasing a goal and he made a bad pass.
Hopefully it all works out for him and he makes a good living out of football while he is playing.
Byrne got a lucky break when McCarthy went to Cyprus and Mick thought he might be suited to that type of ball. Jack got a nice pay day as no one else was offering him a contract that good.
The fact that he is supposedly due to join Charlotte in the MLS in the prime of his career says it all about his overall ability. There's no hard luck stories here, no nonsense about being poorly advised etc. That is his level.
I wish him all the best. He has made a good career thus far financially for himself (Post football etc) and he can still play for the next 8-10 years at MLS (Lower teams) and LOI standard.
I just can't see how we've learned anything about Byrne's ability from the move. He signed with an injury, the manger who signed him was sacked and he's now being offloaded because he's a high earner. It's turned out to be a disaster in terms of football, albeit a decent move for his personal finances. He's still a few years from his prime. The MLS move, if true, probably does see the end of his international career, but if he does well there's no reason why he couldn't be back in Europe at 28 and back in Ireland squads again. Judging his ability on one bad pass in an international is just ridiculous, especially if you discount everything good he did in other appearances. The hate for players and managers just because they're associated with the national league is a bit sad really.
Best player for two years in LOI can't get a game for the third best team in Cyprus should speak to those who believe the LOI is anything but a dreadful standard.
There is more to it than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Dreadfull standard ? LOI teams just beat a top Greek team and also went toe to toe with a top Dutch team but yea because JB got injured and McCarthy sacked and now he fell out with current manager who going by last result hasnt much a clue, the league is a terrible standard.
Plenty of full internationals played in major comps this year from MLS . His international career is far from over.
It just feels like there's always an excuse with Byrne among some Irish football followers for some reason. There's always a reason for his moves to fail that are something other than "he's just not good enough to get a game at that club". I don't think any player is that unlucky - if he's hasn't succeeded at Wigan, Kilmarnock and APOEL Nicosia, among others, it's probably time to call a spade a spade and say that, whatever his level is, it's below the SPL and League 1 and therefore he's not an international standard player. Like everyone else I wish him well and hope the MLS will be good for him if that's where he ends up. But I can't see him ever being anything other than a squad filler at absolute best for Ireland.
I know it is frustrating when a very promising 15/16 year old falls well short of what we expected from him but what can we do? No guarantees in football and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
You're right. I am reminded he was terrible in Scotland, and just as bad in the English League 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
If he comes good ~ It will all have been great education ~ Hope springs eternal.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
While there is a valid point in there, I do think it's fair to make the counter-argument that he had come home, had gotten the first proper stretch of first-team football in his career and had done reasonably well, had gotten international call-ups which I think were merited, and his career had the possibility of kicking on from there - it's exactly what happened Keith Fahey, for example. Then the manager who signed him got sacked (a nightmare for any player) and he got a bad back injury which put him out for months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
If they're excuses, I think they're valid ones.