Monaco looking good for 3-1 now.
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Monaco looking good for 3-1 now.
Dunphy was discussing Atlético Madrid earlier and was telling the RTÉ audience how they have traditionally been a "selling club". To illustrate his point, he plucked out of his arse the "example" of Atlético having "sold Diego Forlán to Manchester United quite a long time ago"... :rolleyes:
Of course, Forlán signed for United from Argentine club Independiente in 2002 before moving to Villareal in 2004 and then on to Atlético in 2007. His next club was Inter Milan in 2011.
Your nitpicking now....Dumby doesn't need to do accuracy because that would entail knowing what he was talking about .Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
He also said Ancelotti was sacked despite winning La Liga I believe, which he never did.
RTÉ preview/analysis of the playoff defeat to The Netherlands at Anfield in 1995 - http://www.the42.ie/rte-ireland-holl...91414-May2017/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDaGIYMxWlw
43 minutes - hmmmm. Anything of interest ?
I only watched the first couple of minutes myself so far. A nice little Beatles/Ireland montage at the start!
I've watched bits and pieces here and there and it certainly evokes a sense of nostalgia. It features a nice pre-match rendition of 'YNWA' sung by the fans towards the start and also an emotional Jack waving the fans farewell from the pitch (at around 28m30s) as the curtain comes down on his time in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
There are interviews with Townsend and McGrath at the end too.
Tommy Gorman also reports from the Dutch camp before the game and makes reference to them feeling lucky to have made it to the play-off due to having lost group games to the Czech Republic and Belarus, or "White Russia" as he also calls them. It's an amusing use of an archaism of which I'd somehow never been aware until now. A bit like Giles frequently referring to the Czech Republic as "Czechoslovakia".
Was Paddy Crerand a regular pundit? I would have been ten-years-old at the time, but I don't recall having seen him much on RTÉ back in the day. Maybe my memory is failing me or I was just focused exclusively on what was going on on the field! Where was Dunphy?
Crerand was quite regular, yes.
Yes and Joe Kinnear as well. Frank Stapleton also. Probably a Wikipedia site someplace which lists all the panelists but the others were mostly before Giles and Dunphy sewed up the job for around 20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I definitely recall Kinnear very clearly and have vaguer memories of Stapleton.
Crerand was there for a couple of years I think, 94-96.
Was an utterly miserable pundit, I was really pleased when he stopped appearing.
He went on to work for MUTV, and was, even by club tv standards, incredibly biased.
His furious refusal to believe reports of Alex Ferguson's then-impending retirement in 2013 is comical:Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjyoyp0evyg
30 minutes after the Newstalk interview finished, Manchester United officially confirmed Ferguson's retirement.
A piece on George Hamilton by Marie Crowe for tomorrow's match programme: http://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/georg...ce-of-a-nation
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Originally Posted by Marie Crowe
O'Neill seemed a lot more amicable towards TOD this time I thought. Maybe because Tony was more agreeable than usual and resisted asking him why he didn't start Hoolahan - http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/int...3423/10737457/
RIP Jimmy Magee - https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2017...e-passes-away/
Edit - RTÉ tribute here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijY9Y-SmXAM
Tony making another enemy last night, poor fella can't catch a break - https://twitter.com/RTEsoccer/status/966437487571714051
RTÉ didn't seem to grasp the deliberate looseness of Mourinho's exaggerated reply - https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018...ogba-question/
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Originally Posted by RTÉ Soccer
What do people think of Ronnie Whelan as a co-commentator? His persistent moaning does my head in and I even went over to the BBC for the England game against Panama which was a mistake as they had Danny Murphy who came from the Apres Match version of Barry Davies and "the nasty Johnny foreigner school" and our boys are brill. I then watched the games with the sound off :) I don't mind Beglin, Kerr (a bit nasally), Houghton (because of those goals), Kilbane - well most to be honest so long as it's not Whelan (and now Murphy).
The RTE Panels aren't bad. Nice to see Doyle and Duffer. Brady is probably past his sell by date. Didi Hamann is also interesting.
I had to laugh at Shearer and Pablo Zabaleta (I think) on the BBC Panel bemoaning the diving and feigning injury at the Iran/Portugal game. Who was sitting in between them but the Greg Lousanis of football diving: Didier Drogba. I got so embarrassed for him I had to go over to Coronation Street.
Whelan is tough going alright. Funnily enough, when he's being interviewed by George in a more casual sense pre-match he seems full of positivity, a guy really enjoying life, his surroundings and looking forward to the game in question. That all seems to change at kickoff regardless of how watchable the match might be.
Houghton is a bit full on. Every time he criticises a player for not hitting the target or working the keeper I think of Wembley '91. Sorry Ray, but even Stuttgart & New Jersey don't get you off the hook for that one. There was a chance the other day actually which was quite similar to his one-on-one against Egypt, "all he had to do was lift it", says Ray.
I've always liked Beglin. He has a good rapport with Hamilton in particular.
The panel in general have been very good alright I think.
I can't stand Brady or Dunphy anymore, and Moloney's habit of egging them on and not challenging patently ridiculous comments is really tiresome. Aside from the general crankiness and Dunphy's niche as "Say something, proven wrong, say the opposite" I think part of it is this sense of glee on their faces when confronted with some kind of negativity they can harp on about, like last night with the Argentinian manager's lone celebrations: Dunphy had a gigantic ****-eating grin on his face as he commented, that just struck me as so mean-spirited. Sadlier isn't a lot better, but Hamann I like, and Andrews, very articulate and knowledgeable.
Stopped watching the RTE Panel when they got rid of Giles.
Giles commented on what he saw in games - he didn't guess / pretend to know anything like Dunphy tries to do and he was bar far the most knowledgeable tactically.
No point in watching now. I enjoy the games far more for just sitting down while they are on - I find I don't have time to sit down for an hour before and after the game anyway - who wants to listen to Brady rabbit on about VAR? Sadlier I like as a person but he offers nothing interesting from a punditry perspective.
For comedic value Kerr should do every game - possibly on his own. He called one of the Argentinian full backs - 'yer man Jalapeno' last night when referring to Mercado. In fairness to Kerr he's about the best co-comm, takes it seriously.
Kerr doesn't seem to be familiar with the football term for 'no goals' commonly known as 'nil'. He prefers to go with a Conor McGregor style "nuttin'". E.g. "They might as well have a go as they're losing one nuttin'.
"Since Mezo came on he's had three touches: bad brutal and worse".Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Brady also referred to the scorer of the winning goal last night as Marcus Row Joe.
Didi Hamman is the best pundit we have ever had ( he isn't the funniest, but the best)
He's very interesting alright.
get it right, it's Didi HamaM according to Dunphy
Do most commentators actually know about the mechanics of the "precious away goal"? Tony O'Donoghue on RTE from Oriel Park when interviewing Stephen Kelly prior to the Levadia Tallin game. "And of course you have that 'precious away goal'". He didn't mean Dundalk had the lead in the tie but that they had an "away goal". If I was Stephen, I'd reply in Martin O'Neillesque terms: "How exactly Tony will that goal ever operate as a " precious away goal" since we won 0-1?". It is a lead goal not an the away goal. For a goal scored away from home in a first leg to ever have the possibility of operating as a "precious away goal", the home side has to score in the first leg otherwise the goal or goals will always be just a goal(s) scored away from home and count towards the aggregate score in the normal way without the added value of its preciousness being counted.
Oops, almost fell off my soapbox.
My pet hate. Tony is in good company on this one though, they nearly all say it.
I always look at an away goal scored in the first leg as insurance against conceding one at home. That insurance is valuable. That's the pessimist in me.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
At least he didn't say "the away goal counts double", as some commentators do.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
My own pet annoyance is when a team has lost the first leg by a single goal (say 1-0) and then go 1 down in the second leg. Sure as night follows day, Hamilton will inform us that really 'nothing has changed. They needed to score 2 goals to advance, and they still need to score 2 goals to advance.'
But no, things have changed. Before the goal, a goal of their own could have sent the game to extra time and penalties. Now it won't - they'd be out.
Consider yourselves lucky, I live in America now and the entire concept of goal difference, never mind away goals, seems to befuddle every single commentator on television.
Count yourself lucky you didn't live (or perhaps you did) in the era of "goal average" which meant the number of goals scored divided by the number of goals conceded. That was the way things were done until it was dropped sometime in the 1970s I think. Thus a 20/10= 2 was better than 50/30= 1.66 even though the goal difference in the latter was better. What would the Yanks make of that one ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
I don't know how to break this to you OwlsFan, but...
http://www.thejournal.ie/dunphy-leav...46916-Jul2018/
Sean Moncrieff just reported on Newstalk that Dunphy is to leave RTE.
Surprised, but it turns out to be true! https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018...on-dunphy-rte/
DeLorean, I'm the journeyman Dunphy to your superior Gilesyness!!
I might start watching RTE's coverage of international football now Dunphy has . Poor analyst, he was shown up by
Sadlier, Andrews and Hamann this Summer.
This is great from Daniel McDonnell, a shame it wasn't even more comprehensive but then you could write a couple of books on Dunphy's contradictions - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37156079.html
Dunphy on his own didn't bother me to be honest as the comic value was almost worth it. What annoyed me was the trio of O'Herlihy, Giles and Dunphy attacking every Irish manager (since Giles) without any disagreement between the three (the "I agree with Eamon", "I agree with John" show). Hatchet jobs (some deserving of course) on Messrs Hand et seq without ANY balanced discussion. At least Brady arrived to put up a defence of Trapp but that was the first time there was a dissenting voice to the assassinations.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Sky were on about the vital away goal for Rangers in their 0-1 win. Sigh.
You must have been watching to know that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuyahoga
I understand that Dunphy has found the stick to beat McCarthy with: Doherty must be included (I don't buy The Star but I have it on reliable information). So it begins....