Is the carling nations cup a UEFA/FIFA recognised compeition i.e. if we beat macedonia/scotland and NI would it make any difference to getting into top 18? How would we have looked had we beaten Uruguay?
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Is the carling nations cup a UEFA/FIFA recognised compeition i.e. if we beat macedonia/scotland and NI would it make any difference to getting into top 18? How would we have looked had we beaten Uruguay?
Yes friendlies count so it makes the NI, Scotland, Macedonia and potential friendly in New York against Italy absolutely crucial. Had we beaten Uruguay we probably would have climbed substantially considering they are 7th in the world. I know not many people pay attention to FIFA rankings but they are vitally important when it comes to seedings for qualification.
They are now, thats not how it used to be. I think it should go on qualification on previous tournaments like it used to. That said we would still probably be 3rd seeds this time around, but assuming we finish 2nd again this year then we would have been 2nd for 2016.
I'm pretty sure any friendly in the US will not be FIFA recognised.
The seeding for the 2010 WC qualification draw was based on the FIFA rankings for the first time, afaiaa.
All official international friendlies are counted in the FIFA rankings.
The Carling/Celtic cup games are not FIFA/UEFA competitions but have the same status in regards to points in the FIFA rankings, as our friendlies in the USA, no more - no less.
Correct me if I'm wrong but were the wc2010 qualifiers drawn in January 2008?
If that's the case why are these qualifiers for 2014 being drawn so early?
Has there been some change? Usually the draw for the WC qualifiers happens a few months after the Euro qualifiers are finished and vice versa.
Echo... yeah what he said... maybe its to ensure we're Defo in the 3rd pot, you know how Sep loves us, the cwiss sunt.
Yes it is crazy that the draw is being made before the outcome of the Euro qualifiers is even known but the reasoning behind it is that this world cup will be in South America and the South American qualification having 18 games during the qualifiers is much longer than the European qualification procedure and thus always starts much earlier in advance of the tournament, thus why all the other federations draws are being made so early.
I agree with you paul o shea, the old system would have benefited us more but in saying that the current system would have benefitted us much more in the Brian Kerr era, in that he left when we were 14th in the world (primarily due to an impecable record in friendlies and always playing our strongest XI in them and not treating them for the desired purpose of experimentation).
Like for example Norway have not done anything for years, all of a sudden, they are doing well half way through their campaign and are now top seeds. But in fairness its good to see little old Montenegro getting reward for their efforts so early in their existence as a footballing nation. I think I might be right in saying Croatia beat their seeding to qualify for their first tournament ever as an independent nation in Euro 96, so it would be equally impressive if Montenegro could almost emulate such an achievement.
Why might Bosnia be disqualified?Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
They were suspended from competition on the 1st of April over their football association failing to appoint a single president in place of its three-man set-up where a Serb, Croat and Bosniak-Muslim all shared power. FIFA have since imposed a "normalisation committee" of their own to govern the association, however, enabling Bosnia to compete once again, so I don't know how likely disqualification is at this current moment in time. Probably not very.
Think you're right there. I don't recall a European nation ever being disqualified (for reasons other than out and out war). Some (Greece most recently) have been suspended and have fairly quickly done what UEFA wanted, and so were let back in. I'd imagine Bosnia will do the same (and I think I saw somewhere that they already have taken steps).Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Draw time again though; love that time! :)
Vladimir Weiss out for the season. Who do Slovakia play in June?
Lazy! :p
Andorra at home.
Andorra, in Slovakia. So all in all, it matters little. He is a decent player though, so if it means that his pre-season is only a recuperation and he's under-par for the start of next season, when we play them, then happy days. Not that I'd wish ill-will on him, or them, karma etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I have you with 0.03% chance of landing in the second pot :)Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
2014 FIFA World Cup seeding (UEFA): 10000 simulations
What other friendlies besides the Nations Cup do you have planned? I know Italy canceled their USA tour.
so you're saying there's a chance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgar
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gAwTMATXyB...pc/s320/dd.bmp
I love that moive, thats exactly what i thought when i read the 0.03%. Brilliant.
You mean, not good like one out of a hundred? I'd say more like one out of a million. :D
Big Gulps huh? Well see ye later guys.
Oh check out the funbags on that hosehound
What's the soup de jour?
It's the soup of the day.
Sounds nice, I'll have that.
Harry.....I took care of it!
I'd say with the exception of France, pot 3 is almost as good as pot 2. Would love Norway or Greece in pot 1, but Ireland would play rubbish against teams like that, but would probably be brilliant against Spain or Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
Ya he must work out :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
SVD i thought i remembered nearly every single line, but id forgotten that one, brilliant.
Harry your hands are freezing.
I think the fact norway are in pot 1 shows that this system is flawed.
The odds are better for the Euros where we have a 72% chance of qualifying.
Though tempered by a 1-2 odds of not qualifying.
It's probably worth noting that we've done better as third seeds in recent years than we have as first and second seeds.
They were drawn in November 2007, 4 days after the previous ECQ's ended. The WCQ draw was always made around November-December time, have no idea why it is on in July now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
The Conmebol Qualifiers start earlier, but it's a straight-forward league basis, not a group one, and not needing any draws.Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
If there was a system used based on previous performance, we'd probably be Pot 4 or 5, given our erm...lack of qualifying successes lately. I'm glad it's based on world rankings.
About Group 2 of the current qualifiers, I notice Slovakia's next home game is back in Bratislava. Obviously Zilina isn't deemed obscure and hostile enough to host Andorra. :rolleyes:
I think it's that the refurbishment in the Telehne Pole is finished - or that the secondary Bratislava ground is big enough to cater for the 5 Andorrans that will travel over. Putting them on the disco train would be just mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, bar Turkey, the Czechs and Romania, who all qualified for Euro 2008, I don't think any of those other teams in the provisional pot three have had much luck with qualification lately either. It's probably about right considering we just missed out on World Cup qualification at the play-off stage, as did Ukraine and Bosnia & Herzegovina. Montenegro's lofty rise into pot two is staggering, mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Cheers for that. I remember watching it online in my old house in Harold's Cross. Eugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
I do love a good draw though. Yeah.
Yes, but averaging we have finished at the same position, irrelevant of which pot we were seeded, which says we are rightly about 3rd seeds(bar when we finished 4th and 2nd obviously).Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
They only come out at night. Or in this case the day time.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
To give more time (match dates) for AFC and CONCACAF.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Whilst on the one hand Trap would be a very cagey and conservative manager, I find it odd that on the other hand that he announces his starting 11 in some cases two days before the match. It maybe an extremely minor concession to the opposition but at the same time it does make their preparation a lot easier for playing us. Our starting 11 has been pretty predictable under Trap, but nonetheless I can see no reason why going public on the starting 11 is of any benefit anyone?
Maybe I'm being a bit festidious but for a manager he doesn't give an inch on the field, he seems to be giving generous yards in the build up to the game.
doyle out of the macedonia game
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/0518/doylek.html
a blow, but it should guarantee a start for long. hopefully no more injuries between now and then. will we call up a replacement for the celtic cup?
duff appears to be touch and go for the macedonia game aswell.
Sammon or possibly Stephen Elliott would be the obvious options
might not be any replacement, the original squad of 33 (now 32) has to be whittled down anyway to 23 i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I thought Duff was definitely out.
I think Tets' imagination is getting the better of him :)
I'm not sure there will be a replacement either. Keane, Long, Walters, Folan, Stokes and Ward are already called up. Is Keogh also there?
I read somewhere on Weds that while Doyle is definitely a blow, more worrying is Robbie's total loss of form. I'd agree with that. I still think we should have enough to get the three points over there. Thankfully McGeady should be fit going into the game, as he misses the Celtic Cup games as they're outside the agreed dates. With Duff out, it should mean that Fahey and Treacy see some game time. The selection on the wings will be as crucial as anything else now. Wonder will he continue to keep the two traditional wingers or will he utilise a more modern flanker like Lawrence?
Well I think Hunt has to play in the Celtic Cup games, if for no other reason than he needs game time ahead of Macedonia.
Haha, Jaysus I'd forgotten about Hunty altogether!
Anyone know what time (Irish time) the kick off in Macedonia is at?