Having only 8 teams in the Top Division is the problem, should be at least another 4 teams making it a 12 team division!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soccer Fan
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Having only 8 teams in the Top Division is the problem, should be at least another 4 teams making it a 12 team division!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Soccer Fan
Sure we still dont know how many teams are going down and how many coming up, now that is beyond belief, when will he decide,on the last day of the season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
12 may be a bit too many considering there are only 43 teams in the league, i think a premier division of 10 teams would be sustainable. In my opinion this season would be great season to start it let the current 8 teams in premier remain promote top 2 from division 1 and theres your ten. If borris and saint nicholas come up then you would prob have ten best clubs facilities wise in premier ( not saying ten best teams but prob ten teams with best pitches bar banshas who s pitch is top quality).
1 saint michaels :fifa floodlight pitch,stand,state of the art dressing rooms and meeting room, astro turf pitch. top facilities all round
2 clonmel town : good pitch, astro pitch , complex and indoor hall, new dressing rooms, state of the art all round
3 Clonmel celtic : good pitch, brand new astro and brand new dressing rooms. superb facilities
4 Peake villa: 2 pitches, astro turf, new dressing rooms
5 cahir park : brand new dressing rooms complex opened this year, prob one of best pitches in country, stand, astro turf, Prob best set up in Tsdl
6 Wilderness : not bad pitch , newly formed club in comparison to other prem teams so will improve in years to come
7 Cashel town : lot of money spent developing pitch.Lovely finish on pitch ,fenced off etc very good dressing rooms and parking
8 Galbally Utd : Dressing rooms astro turf .Existing pitch not great but have bought a second pitch beside existing one and are developing that at present
9 Saint Nicholas : brand new pitch and dressing rooms superb set up for small country club
10 borris : astro turf , club house and dressing rooms, 2 top quality pitch's
think those ten teams would make real good premier division next year not saying there ten best teams but if we have best facilities in premier one would imagine overall standards would improve. If we were to put ten top teams on footballing ability in premier next year would prob take galbally out of that list and put in either bridge or rosegreen
Valid point with regard to facilities, but I still think 12 teams would be a better option. If you take out the 8 'B' teams and create a 'B' League you would then be left with 35 teams. Run 3 divisions consisting of two 12 team leagues and an 11 team league...............More League games then for everyone involved, especially the lower league teams who normally don't progress to latter stages of cup competitions................ The bigger Clubs in theory should have the squads to deal with the extra games..........................
If the premier was made up of 10 teams and a shield was brought in after Jan that was played between all premier Clubs that did not get out of the area in either FAI or Munster Cups it would give premier clubs an extra 1 - 4 games most seasons and depending on numbers each season could be played home and away for each round. This would give 'smaller' Premier clubs a chance to win silverware at the end of a season.
Are we not then in danger of de-valuing silverware by bringing in a shield just so somebody can win something at the end of the season, if clubs like Cahir, Cashel etc want to win something then they need to start working harder at their youth and schoolboys to develop teams that can win silverwareQuote:
Originally Posted by West Hammer
This might sound completely crazy but what would ye think of the tipperary cup been run in an idea similar to the champions league. I suppose it would take away the appeal of cup knockout football but at the end f the day, we have the fai and munster for that. Have no seeding just random groups.
What ye reckon?
Come on now!! How many of St Michael's current Premier team came from their youth or schoolboy teams of the last 10 years? How many players have Cashel and other smaller clubs lost to St Michaels or Clonmel Town after years spent on them at Schoolboy and youth level!Quote:
Originally Posted by hooper74
Yeah but surely if the Cashels and the Cahirs have a proper Junior team set up these players wont have to leave,most clubs only lose players because once they finish youths its all downhill at their own clubsQuote:
Originally Posted by West Hammer
how can you say cashel dont have proper junior set up, there not at level of town or saints but they have some great players and would easily hold there own in any premier junior league in the country. im sure they ll give town a good game when they play them in MJC
It's a bit chicken and egg really Hooper.. the junior teams go downhill because the youths are stolen or leave after youths, and then the youths coming behind don't want to stay because the junior teams are gone downhill.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooper74
The transition from youths to juniors is always difficult.. as it is in all sports... only the strongest and best youths have a chance of going straight to junior soccer after they finish youths, and by the time the others feel like they are getting their chance, they may be out of the game for a couple of years.. and many don't then come back unfortunately
Yeah i see what your saying, it is a difficult one, maybe the clubs need to develop some sort of club spirit and family feeling and show players plans for the future that encourage them to stay,i agree completely with balls comment about the quality of some of cashels players but you have to ask why they find themselves fighting relegation,there is no question some of them are not giving all that they could and im sure there are reasons for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Insidetherock
of saint michaels regular starting 11, chris higgins, james walsh, and paul tobin of the back four have all played schoolboys/youths for the club. in midfield cooper fahy jimmy carr, and richie ryan have all played schoolboys/youths with the club. trevor cosgrave played youths and 1 year out of youths before joining fairview. thats 7 of the regular starting 11. of the non regular starters you have the likes of seanie o halloran, danny o brien, cormac molloy that have also all come through the ranks. just because michaels always attract a high profile player or 2 each season (which any club needs) if dey want to have a lash at an fai or mjc they are considered a poaching club but as i have illustrated above the current st michaels team is predominantly a homegrown team.
Just one example for Republican. When villa had a bad start to the season michaels got the phonebook out again. A couple of weeks later Foggy had signed for ye, 2 goals the weekend aswell. Good signing! To say ye`re not a poaching club is either very naive or I missed the point and you were being sarcastic! But saying that, ye`re not the only club who do it, villa were often guilty of it themselves and town have a long history of it as was pointed out with the old bridge debate.
Republican,Quote:
Originally Posted by republican
your wasting your virtual ink pointing out the facts to some people on this site about Saints. You pointed out 10 players that are "home grown" and still the bitter people appear. My personal opinion is that the majority of the people that are on this forum are ex-players from other clubs that never played for Saints and are bitter because they were never asked.
Ill move along to Sunday's fixture i predict e.t . with Saints to win by the odd goal in five!!
wel your entitled to your opinion fairdecision but to say peake villa were guilty of poaching players down the years is the understatement of the century. at one time there they were so desperate to win an fai youths cup they had players from all over the place playing for them. answer me this who is the only club to win an fai youths in south tipp? yes saint michaels actually they won it two years ina row in 94 and again in 95 a feat that no other club will ever do again in south tipp and it was the nucleus of those two squads that got michaels to two junior finals in 2000 and again 2002 with all homegrown players such as, davy ryan, hawk o dwyer, eoin bresnan paul tobin, alan flynn, etc.. im not having a go here mate i feel bad for what is going on up there at the moment but it is mismanagement of the club in the past 10 years that has resulted in your current situation. just on foggy wel if michaels hadnt acted there he would be wearing a clonmel town jersey otherwise as has been the case with derek loughnane and ted o connor. who else was he going to sign for in fairness only 1 of those 2 if he was leaving villa.
lads homegrown players in my opinion would be a lad from tipp town played all his underage with saints from say U10s up. ye have one player in that bracket in yer starting 11 paul tobin, no one else is even from tipp town in yer starting eleven.(dont think cooper or jimmy carr were with saints that young plus neither are from tipp town) Im not saying ye are not a great club saints are prob one of the best junior team in the country to play for but all this homegrown stuff is a bit much. I honestly hope ye win silverware this year so would appreciate not being attacked back being accussed of being bitter etc, on paper saints have best team in tsdl so lets hope they prove this on sunday and start another fai run like last year.
That is without doubt the most conceited post i have ever read on foot.ie.....to state that anyone on this site who goes against st michaels is doing so because he never had the opportunity to play for them,i don't think i have ever posted anything derogatory about st michaels but if i disagreed with something they did i would say so and it would not be because i didnt ever have the "chance" to play for them,a crazy commentQuote:
Originally Posted by Pearoso27
Conceited and St Michael's, I think in some dictionary's they mean the same thing!
Oh its great to be back. I was away putting shoes on reindeer. Is Tom Lewis a genius he played so many games in the summer, a stupid amount, did he predict this cold spell?he must of had so he knew he could call off games, for saints who's manager was away! tom lifted that hat and pedicted the coming weather, tom hats off to you.As for the comment about home grown players?youths doesnt mean home grown so that saints fan should think again. most teams do not have youths teams as the league shows. so some players have to leave their club..saints town etc will sign anyone I mean anyone for success.Is this wrong?well you start to lose the family feel about the clubs and lose local support because of this, plus the youth of these teams leave as these players come from thurles limerick waterford etc. will start before them..have to take chances with these youths at some stage.So as I posted a few weeks back, would it be an idea that clubs should have 2-5 home grown players on their squad of 23 at the start of each season (saints fan, home grown being schoolboys up!), Im curious of what yee think..
thats not goin to work rushy, clubs have enough problem getting squads together without putting guidelines in place for the squads!
good post rushy. i like your idea of the homegrown players in the squads but 2 to 5 in a 23 man squad is way too little it shud be at least 12 to 15 or 16 in a 23 man squad and hey bring it in tommorrow because st michaels squad wouldnt have to change at all if your saying these players have to have played schoolboys with the club.
Maybe 12 to 13, might be too many for some clubs so maybe 6-7..only an idea lads so dont rush in and slate..its like the premier leaague when chelsea had all the money league was shockingly poor and it became the top four that no one could touch...like the tsdl all the top players go to the top 2 or 3 and makes it boring..if the fai brought in a rule like stated above then the youths of squads might get more game time and this will encourage them to stay with clubs and be involved instead of turning away or giving it up..how many youths have we seen and said are good players but when stepped up lost the interest?young fellas lose interest sitting on their hands each week when they see some fella who cant train because where he is from eg waterford, limerick etc starting before him!
The problem with this idea is that it would not be up to the FAI it would have to get it passed by FIFA who at the end of the day have the last word on all rules in Soccer and unlike in the GAA all players are free to sign any where. What is needed is a much stronger Schoolboy league that up holds it's own poaching laws!
the problem with clubs like clonmel town and st michaels is that it takes a very special player to be able to make the transition from youths straight into the first team, not many players have done it for clonmel town over the past number of years with only the likes of michael coady, rory kiely, alot of guys like david mcgrath, evan mcguire had to spend a season or two playing with towns second team. jimmy carr played a season or two with michaels second team if im not mistaken.. thats the reason why clubs like Town and Michaels need to search for special players cause the standard of player in bulk isnt coming through anymore, you can say oh we need to make the effort to give them a chance but when your looking for instance success at munster and level managers are not prepared to wait..
Conceited means having an excessively favorable opinion of one's abilities, i had to look it up! Don't know how you came up with that from my original post but sure its your opinion and opinions are like arse holes everyone has one!Quote:
Originally Posted by stelling
BALLS, do you think that someone spotted Jimmy Carr and Cooper playing subbeto in a tree house one day and got a EUREKA moment and decided they would be good soccer players. Both theses lads played Youth football and schoolboy football for Saints i cant say for sure at what age they started but ill find out for you! Just for the record to lads Cesc Fabregas is considered to be an Arsenal "home grown" player and hes Spanish! Work that one out for me. I would really love too if people would declare what TSDL club they supported if any so everyone could see where they were coming from, or is that too transparent!
Just like to clear up, I`m not a villa fan. My point was that the big clubs poach players or attract players whatever you want to call it and thats fact not opinion. Also, clubs like Michaels ,Town and villa don`t suddenly just start poaching players when they reach 18 or are playing junior soccer. It happens all the way up through the schoolboys league. How often do you see a player from a small club making a kennedy cup team and play well only for the next season he is gone to one of the bigger clubs?
Also, why should the whole league suffer for the sake of 1 or 2 teams having a good run in the FAI or the MJC? Not only are players leaving the smaller clubs which is bad enough but lewis runs the whole fixture list around it. Why should the smaller clubs have 80% of their fixtures completed before christmas? It`s like the whole league is a feeder to trying to get one of these teams to win an FAI or a MJC so we can plaster this amazing achievment all over the TSDL website hiding the fact that the premier league is a joke! I thought it was the oscar traynor team the league feed into!
lads i know for a fact jimmy carr and cooper fahy played in the kennedy cup when they were u13 and both were st michaels players also on that team was tim kiely of st michaels who joined glasgow celtic from st michaels and young frewen of st michaels also went to reading fc from st michaels. surely both of those players would have been with the st michaels 1st team had they not gone across the water.
Any one know why Killenaule v Killusty game was abandoned after 70 mins???? Hopefully nothing serious!
The ref sent a player off, and he then attacked the refQuote:
Originally Posted by Redman028
not again lads whats up with Tsdl players this year losing the plot, or is it a case of refs over reacting. who was the unlucky ref this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by ponyobrien
The ref was W Burke. No excuses, what ever the Ref does or the players think he has done, you touch a ref and your soccer career is over end of story!
do you think it will be life time ban west hammer , thats some price to pay for one moment of madness. what shocks me is that its killusty and borris who have been caught up in these incidents this season , two good clubs who wouldnt really be known for this type of behaviour
Thats 3 refs in the space of a few weeks! Its getting out of hand and i think the T.S.D.L will have to step up and make examples! Its starting to turn in to a serious situation
The punishment is in most cases is 3 - 10 years and in serious cases the 10 year rule is used. The player can appeal to Munster ( never known to intervene in such cases ) or come back to the league in a few years and look to try to have his case re heard and use the I'm a changed man approach.
has any player ever got a 10 year ban befoe in tsdl i know 1 or 2 lads who got year bans before but never really heard of tsdl coming down too hard on players in the past
I know of 2 TSDL Players that got the full 10 year ban in the past. I think 1 still comes up on the players suspended list all clubs get at the start each season.
Can I just ask did either Ponyobrien or west hammer see this game before they posted their comments? I didn`t see it so I don`t know but If ye are calling for a 10 year ban I hope ye have a bit more information than "I heard from a lad who knows a lad". I`ve seen it in the premier league this weekend where players have argued with referees decisions and put their hands on them to get their attention.I didn`t see any red cards or matches abandoned. Is there any way the refs are overreacting to these situations? Maybe the referees should have to explain any big decisions to team captains and maybe this could calm the whole thing down rather than dishing out extra yellow cards to anybody who questions him?
The 2 cases from a couple of weeks ago are been heard tonght
I did not say I was there. I only informed someone of the rules and punishments used by the TSDL in the past. At no time did I state every case should get 10 years but to say a Ref should have to explain his decisions to the captain is frankly crazy. A Match is not a committee meeting, only 1 persons view counts that is the Ref, right or wrong it is the only way you can get 22 players to play within the rules, he has complete control and if He feels unsafe then he is dead right to call the game off. Until we get someone who was at the game to tell us what happened I for one will back to Ref. I was at the game in Tipp Town that was also called off by the Ref and he had a players hands around his throat, so no I do not think Refs are overreacting!Quote:
Originally Posted by fairdecision