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21/05/2009, 8:48 AM
Sheridan

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Do you ever contribute anything meaningful?

This, kids, is a phenomenon called "projection."
21/05/2009, 8:51 AM
Closed Account

In fairness, I'm from Mayo and have no affinity with Sligo Rovers or Galway United. I do support Castlebar Celtic because I grew up within 100metres of the ground and played with them for years. But you wouldn't get many people outside of town to support them. They'll want them to do well but not won't travel to watch them play. Anyway this is all a bit off topic, I think eirebhoy put it well.
A lot of people start supporting United, Liverpool etc when they are 10 years old and there brothers, fathers supported them. I wasn't even aware LOI existed at that age. Thankfully I grew out of it and hopefully it'll get better as LOI gets more coverage. Do you really want those diehard Liverpool and United fans supporting your local club anyway? They all seem like tossers.
21/05/2009, 9:27 AM
elroy

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Tony, the local junior club at home played in a final in terryland there a couple of weeks ago(which they won :D), its always been a strong soccer town, but also strong GAA as well. Anyway, 700 from home were at the game(as oppossed to the "local" team who only had about 300, even though only 2 miles away, probably galway united supporters ;) ) supporting their local side, how many of them support Man United? Id say a lot, I know for sure even more support celtic(their own celtic as well as glasgow celtic :) ), but when it comes to the cruch they support THEIR LOCAL SOCCER club. Point being as Ive pointed out to so many LOI fans(most who seem to be supporters of Dublin clubs, for some reason?!) we do support our local clubs, unfortunately for you our local clubs are generally junior clubs, not LOI clubs some 45 miles away......not a ten minute bus ride on the 78a or the 19a....

I have no problem with people following clubs in other countries. However, in the unlikely scenario where a LOI team were drawn against a big English team/Celtic in a European cup group/knockout game, unfortunately I believe the vast majority of that English/Celtic teams Irish fans would support the English team/Celtic as opposed to the LOI team. It would be embarrassing really, we potentially have a home game for the LOI team where most of the fans present supported the away team.
21/05/2009, 9:30 AM
youngirish

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

This, kids, is a phenomenon called "projection."

I'd call it perception.
21/05/2009, 9:32 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by joe_denilson

Do you really want those diehard Liverpool and United fans supporting your local club anyway? They all seem like tossers.

Its amazing how tolerant you can be when people pay in tos ee your team play

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Originally Posted by elroy

However, in the unlikely scenario where a LOI team were drawn against a big English team/Celtic in a European cup group/knockout game, unfortunately I believe the vast majority of that English/Celtic teams Irish fans would support the English team/Celtic as opposed to the LOI team. It would be embarrassing really, we potentially have a home game for the LOI team where most of the fans present supported the away team.

It happened in 1998 for Pats v Celtic. One of the low points of my footballing life was hearing an Irish celtic fan telling our Scottish striker Ian Gilzean to "**** off vback to Britain" (as he spoke with a bit of a cockney accent having lived there most of his life)
21/05/2009, 9:53 AM
paul_oshea

That draw away was class. Hawkins had a great game that night, was sure that a big move for him was on the horizon after that display, jees thats 11 years ago?! Im getting old :(

I cant beleive it was that long ago, when celtic came back and won 2 - 0 was it?! Didn't realise I was following LOI that long ;) :D
21/05/2009, 10:11 AM
Claret Murph

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Tony, the local junior club at home played in a final in terryland there a couple of weeks ago(which they won :D), its always been a strong soccer town, but also strong GAA as well. Anyway, 700 from home were at the game(as oppossed to the "local" team who only had about 300, even though only 2 miles away, probably galway united supporters ;) ) supporting their local side, how many of them support Man United? Id say a lot, I know for sure even more support celtic(their own celtic as well as glasgow celtic :) ), but when it comes to the cruch they support THEIR LOCAL SOCCER club. Point being as Ive pointed out to so many LOI fans(most who seem to be supporters of Dublin clubs, for some reason?!) we do support our local clubs, unfortunately for you our local clubs are generally junior clubs, not LOI clubs some 45 miles away......not a ten minute bus ride on the 78a or the 19a....

Sorry Paul I just spoke to thr Chairman of West United who I work with and he knows how many people came to watch the game as both side got 25% share of the gate money and 50% to the Galway FA . West United play in green and white hoops so that's why so many Celtic shirts . The home side had around 250 to 300 fans while the away side had 350 to 400 fans I don't want to talk about money but €10 to get in so it was easy to see how many turned up . One last thing West United are one of the best area's in town to follow Galway United as so many players in the past has turned out for the club .

Facts Paul not fiction .............................
21/05/2009, 10:40 AM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Claret Murph

Sorry Paul I just spoke to thr Chairman of West United who I work with and he knows how many people came to watch the game as both side got 25% share of the gate money and 50% to the Galway FA . West United play in green and white hoops so that's why so many Celtic shirts . The home side had around 250 to 300 fans while the away side had 350 to 400 fans I don't want to talk about money but €10 to get in so it was easy to see how many turned up . One last thing West United are one of the best area's in town to follow Galway United as so many players in the past has turned out for the club .

Facts Paul not fiction .............................

Sorry, I just checked and I gave the total, fair point. I was only messing about Galway United supporters. Still though 400 of a population of around 1500 - 2k isn't bad, the general point still stands re:local club!
27/05/2009, 2:44 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by Duggie

there's no hope of keith been called up, not under trap anyway. hes not his type of player. hes not a winger and hes not trap's type of central midfielder.

He's not international class end of discussion.
27/05/2009, 2:49 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

He's not international class end of discussion.

*sigh*

Thats not the argument. The argument is whether he's better than some of those selected.

Next year he's likely to be playing at a higher level than some of those lads too, so that arguement can't be used.

And for the record I've consistently said he should be in the squad if everyone was fit and available
27/05/2009, 2:53 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by Dodge

*sigh*

Thats not the argument. The argument is whether he's better than some of those selected.

Next year he's likely to be playing at a higher level than some of those lads too, so that arguement can't be used.

And for the record I've consistently said he should be in the squad if everyone was fit and available

Lets see how he gets on next season but i for one won't be holding my breath. Hope i am wrong.
27/05/2009, 2:54 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

He's not international class end of discussion.

what have you based this on Rafa_B?!
27/05/2009, 2:57 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

what have you based this on Rafa_B?!

International class players and that's not being smart.
27/05/2009, 2:58 PM
gustavo

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

International class players and that's not being smart.

:confused:

How would you define international class?
27/05/2009, 2:59 PM
Duggie

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

He's not international class end of discussion.

thats not what i meant, just i cant see trap calling on him. hope im wrong cause fahey is class. have u seen him play before he went to eng rafa b. anyone who has seen him for years in LOI knows his ability, and he is up to international level.
27/05/2009, 3:00 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by Dodge

And for the record I've consistently said he should be in the squad if everyone was fit and available

Whelan
A Reid
S Reid
McCann
Garvan
Andrews

All definitely better than Fahey at the moment. There's a couple more that probably would be as well. I think Fahey's a good bit away from the squad at the moment.
27/05/2009, 3:00 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by Duggie

thats not what i meant, just i cant see trap calling on him. hope im wrong cause fahey is class. have u seen him play before he went to eng rafa b. anyone who has seen him for years in LOI knows his ability, and he is up to international level.

Yes seen him loads of times before he went back to England and he is a good player but not international class. Hope i am wrong like you really do.
27/05/2009, 3:01 PM
MeathDrog

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

International class players and that's not being smart.

Terrific argument. You've seemed to have won everyone over with that one.

:confused:
27/05/2009, 3:01 PM
Dodge

McCann's not better than Fahey. Saw him play against Birmingham and he was certainly not "international class". TV viewings gave me similar impression

Obviously has more scope to improve
27/05/2009, 3:01 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by gustavo

:confused:

How would you define international class?

Stephen Ireland:D
27/05/2009, 3:07 PM
Stuttgart88

Whether someone is international class or not is a dumb way to approach it.

We need a balanced squad with players able to play certain positions and provide cover or alternatives. For example, it's well established that an international squad will have 5 forwards. Are all 5 of ours international class (whatever that is)?

Trap deems Miller to be good enough for the squad. Fahey is probably as good if not better than Miller. Therefore he has a good case to be a candidate for Miller's place.

We have 3 orthodox central midfielders apart from Miller, and there's no way Fahey should be considered ahead of McGeady or Lawrence for the right midfield slot. Miller's place is marginal anyway so any argument over Fahey is a marginal one too.

I personally think that as Fahey has been playing (or training) consistently for 12 months or more he deserves a rest and if he can start pre-season fresh it'll set him up for next year. Then we'll see how he copes. He'll be facing stiff competition from our U21 midfielders before long (Garvan, Quinn, O'Toole & McCann), most directly from Garvan I reckon in terms of style.
27/05/2009, 3:11 PM
Duggie

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Whether someone is international class or not is a dumb way to approach it.

We need a balanced squad with players able to play certain positions and provide cover or alternatives. For example, it's well established that an international squad will have 5 forwards. Are all 5 of ours international class (whatever that is)?

Trap deems Miller to be good enough for the squad. Fahey is probably as good if not better than Miller. Therefore he has a good case to be a candidate for Miller's place.

We have 3 orthodox central midfielders apart from Miller, and there's no way Fahey should be considered ahead of McGeady or Lawrence for the right midfield slot. Miller's place is marginal anyway so any argument over Fahey is a marginal one too.

I personally think that as Fahey has been playing (or training) consistently for 12 months or more he deserves a rest and if he can start pre-season fresh it'll set him up for next year. Then we'll see how he copes. He'll be facing stiff competition from our U21 midfielders before long (Garvan, Quinn, O'Toole & McCann), most directly from Garvan I reckon in terms of style.

oh come on have u seen fahey.....hmmmm fahey miller fahy miller......EH FAHEY
27/05/2009, 3:13 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by MeathDrog

Terrific argument. You've seemed to have won everyone over with that one.

:confused:

Do you think so really?:D Not trying to win anyone over;)
27/05/2009, 3:14 PM
Stuttgart88

Crikey, do you really think that "Fahey is probably as good as if not better than Miller" is really worth picking up on?
27/05/2009, 3:15 PM
Duggie

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Crikey, do you really think that "Fahey is probably as good as if not better than Miller" is really worth picking up on?

just the probably bit yes.
27/05/2009, 3:22 PM
Stuttgart88

I'd prefer Fahey over Miller but if you look at it objectively Miller has put in more impressive performances at a high-ish level in his career than Fahey has. There's no direct way of comparing so "probably" is justified imho.

I'd imagine that Stephen McPhail is also feeling pretty hard done by at Miller's consistent inclusion. I'd actually be inclined to look at McPhail ahead of Fahey.

But, as I say, it's all marginal because you might as well pick me for the 4th CM spot as it's unlikely to ever be called upon.
27/05/2009, 3:23 PM
KK77

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I'd prefer Fahey over Miller but if you look at it objectively Miller has put in more impressive performances at a high-ish level in his career than Fahey has. There's no direct way of comparing so "probably" is justified imho.

I'd imagine that Stephen McPhail is also feeling pretty hard done by at Miller's consistent inclusion. I'd actually be inclined to look at McPhail ahead of Fahey.

But, as I say, it's all marginal because you might as well pick me for the 4th CM spot as it's unlikely to ever be called upon.

Good post especially the first paragraph.
27/05/2009, 3:24 PM
youngirish

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Originally Posted by Dodge

McCann's not better than Fahey. Saw him play against Birmingham and he was certainly not "international class". TV viewings gave me similar impression

Obviously has more scope to improve

I'd think McCann is a better all round central midfielder than Fahey. Big, strong, good in the air, solid defensively and good going forward. Fahey is playing wide for Birmingham anyway. We can judge after next season when both hopefully get a long run for their respective teams in a higher standard league.
27/05/2009, 3:38 PM
drummerboy

I'm inclined to favour McCann. I have been really impressed when I have seen him play. Reminds me of a young Gareth Barry. Fahey has done well and is far better than Miller who shouldn't be near the squad at this stage.
27/05/2009, 6:08 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I'd think McCann is a better all round central midfielder than Fahey. Big, strong, good in the air, solid defensively and good going forward. Fahey is playing wide for Birmingham anyway. We can judge after next season when both hopefully get a long run for their respective teams in a higher standard league.

He's better defensively. I just think he's a little too slow, and a bit ponderous on the ball too. As I said before he's got more years in front of him than fahey and hopefully he establishes hmself in the Premier League
28/05/2009, 8:59 AM
elroy

Is Rafa B aka Ciaran?!?! What happened him anyways
28/05/2009, 3:56 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

International class players and that's not being smart.

the ones he rang rings around from Berlin and Elfsberg?

:rolleyes:
28/05/2009, 11:33 PM
irishultra

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Originally Posted by SkStu

the ones he rang rings around from Berlin and Elfsberg?

:rolleyes:

No. He has to play against quality players like Grant McCann, Kevin Nolan and Lee Cattermole before he can be considered good enough for the Irish team.

A team who finished 4th in the Bundesliga just won't do.

...........;)
29/05/2009, 8:29 AM
Dodge

Ireland boss Trapattoni has Birmingham City's Fahey in the frame
29/05/2009, 8:48 AM
paul_oshea

Interesting that many on here keep saying fahey isn't a winger etc, and when he wasn't standing out originally were saying thats cos he is a midfielder not a winger and mcleish is playing him out wide:

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“It might have been Sheffield United. We didn’t get control of the game. Keith wasn’t as effective in the middle and Scott Sinclair played on the left and it just didn’t work for us.”

Only one game I know but it sounds like mcleish doesn't see him as a central midfielder....for Brum at least.
29/05/2009, 9:10 AM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Interesting that many on here keep saying fahey isn't a winger etc, and when he wasn't standing out originally were saying thats cos he is a midfielder not a winger and mcleish is playing him out wide:

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Originally Posted by Alex McLeish, Birmingham City

Keith�s not a winger

He's not a winger.
29/05/2009, 11:01 AM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Ireland boss Trapattoni has Birmingham City's Fahey in the frame

It'd be nice if an Irish paper actually reported some Trapattoni quotes on an Irish international candidate. Why do we have to scour local UK press for this type of thing?
22/07/2009, 4:34 PM
tetsujin1979

Abductor injury for Fahey following preseason game in Germany: http://www.birminghammail.net/birmin...7319-24213098/
22/07/2009, 8:58 PM
paul_oshea

who abductOd him?
22/07/2009, 10:37 PM
Hibernian

does not sound too bad he survive i say

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