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That was the pevious plan of Dublin City Council, which they have now publicly moved away from. They're unlikely to do a U-turn back to that original approach again, and would take a kicking if they tried. More likely that Dalymount will be prioritised, and then Tolka may or not get much investment afterwards. But the approach of getting rid of one or other of Tolka and Dalymount no longer appears to be a runner.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
I think the technical design term for Irish football stadia is 'Incomplete Chic'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen Of Aherlow
'Poverty tourism'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Build Dalymount Park for a top level club in Germany and see how their fans like it then.
Like Berlin ?Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Shels haven't got any money and can't call the shots on the priority. They were due to have Tolka erased until a few weeks ago sure. They will just have to bide their time.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
They have investors. I'm sure Shels fans are a bit wary.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
https://shelbournefc.ie/shelbourne-f...ew-investment/
" Don't worry about a thing , cos every little thing is gonna be alright "
That's either a very broad rule or a very broad thumb you have there.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
For example, when the local Council in Rotherham opened the New York Stadium on an old, disused industrial site, they got 12k seats for their £20m-odd i.e. £1,666 per seat. And that was 10 years ago, in a depressed Northern English town.
Depending on the scarcity of a suitable site and local property prices, it can cost considerably more: eg Brentford spent £82m building their 17.5k seater stadium in TW8 - hardly the swishest part of West London - which works out at £4,700 per seat.
Or Spurs, who managed to spend the guts of £1bn on their 62k seater stadium = over £15k per seat. Granted that stadium is all-singing, all-dancing, but as against that, they did already own part of the site, while N17 is a right ****hole (and I say that as a Spurs fan!)
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...alymount-park/
Latest report from the IT is that Bohs are pushing for a big terrace as part of the scaled back redevelopment. Whether that's just terracing behind the goals or one big side terrace isn't confirmed.
They'd use Aviva when needed for European ties.
Article also states that Dalyer capacity will rise to 4500 next season due to a temporary stand on the Connaught road side. I hadn't heard about that before...
The project was never 100% a football stadium either. I don't know what the cost of the community facilities aspect of the original design was but I'd assume it was significant enough. That'll still need to be o
part of the new plan. Connaught Street side is massive by LOI standards so could fit quite a lot in there. That said, I don't really see a 5,000 seater stand being built. Just sounds like a mad idea, it'd be massive.
The talk is of a 2,000 capacity covered terrace at the school end of the ground. Would be class if it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
That's far bigger than I would have envisaged but if it came off it would be fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
I have seen the school house end completely full and possibly holding 2,000 people or more if you count the headers on the roof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinkicker
Nothing mad about it. "if you build it they will come"Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
Would've been way more than 2,000 if you're talking about the people on the roof era. There's currently 900 seats at that end of the ground, each seat taking up 2 rows of steps. So I'd imagine it would be a similar size to that and then roofed, which will make it look much bigger. If it happens it will look great. Needs a decent bar because if you're profiling fans it's more likely to be a drinking crowd than other areas. From a purely visual point of view I think a 5,000 capacity stand on Connaught side will look odd when you drop down to nearly nothing on the Phibsboro End but then it's probably about the same height as the current structure. Just seems a bit unfathomable for a LOI ground. Riverside Stand in Tolka probably held that much so maybe it's not all that mad. I would be surprised if a stand of that size happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinkicker
Conaught St and phibsboro ends are similar in Height and there should be contiuation around that corner incorporating the existing corner entrance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
Only a tiny portion of the shopping centre end is owned by DCC. It was sold off to a developer about 20 years ago. That's why fitting anything into that end is such a challenge. It was a mess of a deal with a subsequent court case that Bohs lost.
Is there plans for the shopping centre end by the developer? If DCC had the will they could consider a compulsory purchase under some derelict site notice.
Lads the tramway will only be a capacity 2-300 terrace with a wall behind, sold off years ago unfortunately, was my favoured spot for many years.
So, Jodi underneath refurb, which probably means a decent toilet block replacing the long bar, plus proper access points, what’s there is unworkable.
School end covered terrace or seating c 2k.
Stand with community benefits plus 5000 seats on Connaught.
After demolition of Connaught side, temporary stand to hold away fans holing 450 will go up. It’s DCC so expect this to be there as long as 10 years.
Update:Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
The local Council has just given Nottingham Forest planning permission to develop the City Ground to hold another 5k seats (to 35k).
The cost is... wait for it... expected to come in at £94m = almost £19k per seat!
Granted the scheme also includes a residential development, which Forest hope to to sell off to defray the stadium cost. However, they won't be allowed to sell the flats until after the stadium is complete.
More here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-62338821
Yeah there's plans. That's about as long running and complicated as the stadium project to be honest. The developer doesn't own all of the shopping centre. Tesco own some of the existing shopping centre. So that plan has had multiple issues over the years. Would imagine it's unlikely in the extreme that some of that could be reclaimed. Even though just a small bit more would make a massive difference. I think you probably could fit a 600 capacity terrace in there if you sacrificed a bit from the other end but that's my opinion only and would still be a squeeze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
A 400-500 capacity terrace at that end would be handy for away fans, all the same. A block of seats from Jodi, or new Connaught street stand would be ample enough for bigger away gates too.
Bohs should release a statement with exact details and the see if the new design matches it. Then we'll know if the council are docking around againQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Is it going to be a single stand stadium as it kind of looks like in photo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Just my personal preferenfe but imo there is nothing worse.
That's an old photo. Going to be 4 stands. 1 stand would kill the club imo. We'd be another AthloneQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Four sides will all be completed. Main stand, partially built, to be completed with 1,930 seats.
New seated stand opposite (as seen in the photo below), with 1,400 seats.
Two covered terraces on either side with 1,400 capacity each.
Main stand will go up as planned, concrete, main buildings inside, dressing rooms and all other fancy stuff. The rest is modular build steel.
https://finnharps.ie/wp-content/uplo...m-1024x576.jpg
That's great that it will be 4-sided. And terraces at each end - brilliant!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
The exact details aren't known yet because the designs haven't been finalised. As reported on rte, the design team will only present preliminary plans in September.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinkicker
"Those two options are for a scaled back version of the original plan or to refurbish the Jodi Stand, build a new main stand and two terraces.
The design team working on the stadium will present preliminary plans on both of those options, along with a costing report, that will be delivered at the start of September.
Under a new development schedule, the finalised design will be completed by the end of November, with construction planned to be completed by January 2026."
Happy days, brilliant job assuming all goes to plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Thats brillient , when is commencement/ comp[letion approx?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
ill miss Finn park but ill get over it
Commencement is imminent.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Completion is anyones guess, but supposedly structures can all be up inside about a year or so and pitch takes another 9/10 months. If all goes full steam ahead, late summer 2024 is a realistic enough expectation.
Many thanks for your lengthy an detailed reply. Bohs would have been given verbal details on which the designs would be based. My fear is, the designs come back different or very much scaled back again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
I see an article today where DL is commenting on 3 side terrace which he saw recently in Germany. Personally I think this would be great. Just like old Dalymount before the far terrace was cut to make a car park
Where does safe terracing fit into UEFA guidelines?
If Thomond Park for arguments sake was hosting Sligo Rovers in the Europa Conference League, would they be allowed 15,000 seated and 11,000 standing?
I don't think thomand wouldn't meet the standard. Although it's terracing there is a specification to be met. Obviously Dortmund, Berlin and Man City have it as well a others. It was installed and trialed before giving it approval. As far as I know and I can be corrected some countries didn't permit the trial and their stadiums remain seated. Unless Thomand was refurbed very recently incorporating the new standards I doubt your suggestion would be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
I do like your thinking.
If safe standing is allowed it may be a more cost effective way to upgrade grounds and bring back crowds.
I am really glad that safe standing is getting proper consideration as really do not like sitting at games and especially when yer like a jack in the box with people around sitting then standing etc. For ground development is a good bit cheaper. If a new stand ever replaces the shed in Oriel it should be safe standing only i think especially if UEFA are on board.
There is damn all wrong with the Jodi Stand for its primary use, certainly nothing that a bit of a refurb couldnt sort so it makes sense to keep it. Build a new stand opposite of similar size and capacity and yer a long way toward having a good facility. A standing stand were where the old des kelly stand was and sufficient capacity for current demand is well covered. Design in to the stands relatively simple expansion for the future and then see if the legal mess that is the shopping centre end can be sorted. We should be looking at functional spectator facilities first and foremost and the whistles and bells after but included in development plans so future work is future proofed.
Its similar with Stranrolar, the revision of the revised plans above should really have been the plan from the beginning all along. Its great to aspire to have a ground that is up with best from similar leagues in Europe but the reality is that we just dont deliver, not once has an original planning submission come to fruition - they have all been either started and stalled, scaled back or binned. Even Sligo who are the best in the league for prioritising their ground and improve it on their own steam, had a significant delay between the building of their main stand and it going in to use, not decades of delay mind!! The original YDC plan at Oriel was like a fancy airport terminal but ended up as just another big warehouse type thing.
People can use the example of Athlone where one good stand and little else is not good, but Athlone were a basket case from before that development and ever since. If the same had happened initially at Harps imo it wouldnt have stopped there simply as there is an active supporter base and good will toward the club. 10 years ago it should have been 'lets get the main stand finished and the pitch in, the basics, and then go from there'. I know it may not have been as straight forward as it seems and we havent got the full story but the current plans are achievable, and would have been ages ago, certainly in increments.
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
And they only have to redesignate the land for construction? Once Harps move in it goes back to 'agricultural use' 😛
Tesco could play ball with DCC. The developer could be incentivised also. Its a site thats big enough to have a reasonable sized spectators area and high density housing bot incorporated in to it. There will have to be a move pretty soon one way or another when the govt introduce planned levies on derelict or infill sites that are being held on to rather than being developed. There will be a use it or lose it clause by some time next year so now would be an ideal time to approach the different parties involved to get development plan together for the old terrace and the adjoining retail units. The high rise building and façade of Tesco/shops I think have had a preservation notice on them so would have to be incorporated in to a broader redevelopment of the area somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
That made me snort my tea! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse