just to slightly correct you it was Dawson that was brought up front against Chelsea.
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just to slightly correct you it was Dawson that was brought up front against Chelsea.
Martin Jol declared his disappointement with Keane and Defoe last night. Robbie was given a chance to show he can score last night against a League 2 team and couldn't do it.
Kilkenny man Michael Reddy for Grimsby by far outshone him.
Thats probably for the better. I was dreading Keane would score a hattrick and the usuals would be out saying he can only score against crap opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by finlma
Watched the first half and Keane did the usual, too many little flicks and kept running off-side...
Whats wrong with this man can he ever have a a few good games in a row... :(
If he had scored against Russia in the 4-2 away loss he would have broken the Irish record for scoring in consecutive games having scored in the 3 previous internationals (Germany, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Finland)Quote:
Originally Posted by Condex
Seems a long time ago and do penalties count, didn't look up to much last night against fairly poor opposition, says a lot about our strikers when hes the best we have...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Errr, he scored the equaliser, I'm pretty sure that counted!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Condex
In fairness, we're talking about a consecutive run of goals from three years ago. Has he done it recently? We'll need him to produce against the Swiss more than ever, a repeat of his performance against France wouldn't be acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Martin Jol has described his Tottenham side's shock Carling Cup first round defeat to Grimsby as the lowest point of his spell in charge of the club.
Spurs were knocked out by the League Two leaders after Jean-Paul Kamudimba Kalala smashed home an 89th minute volley from the edge of the area.
"This is definitely my worst moment since coming here," said Jol.
"This must be one of the biggest upsets in the Carling Cup but that's what you can expect losing to a team like that."
Jol, whose side have scored just one goal in their last five games, blamed strikers Jermain Defoe and Robbie Keane for failing to make an impact up front.
It is a great night for the town, the club, supporters and players
Grimsby boss Russell Slade
"We aren't scoring goals, and we don't look like scoring goals, which is even worse and is not good enough," added Jol.
"You know that if they get a free-kick or a corner that they can score and that's what happened.
"But we knew that beforehand and you have to make the difference up front. Sometimes we looked a bit immature.
"If you play against big players like they have, then you need to move quick and use your extra mobility.
"Our best player was Aaron Lennon and he is 18, which says it all. I'm a bit angry. When you are a Premiership side you have to win these games."
Let's be honest, Grimbsy seemed to want it much more than us
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Grimsby manager Russell Slade was understandably delighted with the result and felt his side were worth the victory.
Slade said: "The players were tremendous. It is a great night for the town, the club, supporters and players.
"We have worked so hard this season and we deserved it.
"The last thing I needed was extra-time. I wanted the game over quickly but to get a goal in the last five minutes was ideal."
Kalala added: "I am just happy for the team. We worked so hard in this game.
"Every time I hit a ball they go over the top but this time I hit the target and I am happy for that."
And don't forget acting the victim and moaning to the ref when things don't go his way :rolleyes: .I don't think Robbie has improved as a player over the years at all and I don't think he'll get any better than what we see at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condex
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Originally Posted by Dublin12
My sentiments exactly....
Keane's scoring record at international and club level has improved every season since he hit the scene. He also sets up an average of 5 premiership goals a season.
I was pretty sure Spurs would have problems the Grimsby manager has had some good
results with lesser sides against top teams, at Scarbrough, a team just above
the conference regelation zone he only lost 1-0 to mighty Chelsea (late goal I believe) so I felt it sure would be bad news for Robbie that he would be getting his first start for a while in this game, if it was me I would have feigned injury :)
He also beat Spurs before (3:0?) with league 1 side Notts County so I though
this was not a good game to try an unfavoured pairing.
Because he found his natural level ??Quote:
Why would Ireland's best-ever striker choose to play for such a low-scoring team?
I think he is a gonner at spurs even with all his natural ability.
Came on and won a penalty in the Champion's League qualifying round when they were 1-0 down away to Helsinborg which Recoba promptly missed and sent them out. That's why he never played any of Leeds' Champion's League games while there on loan - cup tied since that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
What?? Why would he move to a high-scoring team - they probably already have strikers scoring plenty of goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
I think a move to Everton would be good for him cause it more or less guarantees him first team football.
He might be Ireland's leading goalscorer but to say he is the best-ever is highly debatable
To be honest, we have to take our Irish glasses off on this one. Defoe has got as much stick from Jol as Keane has over the result and I would not be suprised if Defoe is dropped for the game against Fulham.
Not that I'm agreeing with thejollyrodger at all, but Robbie Earnshaw comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
The reason for that being that Wales in the last number of years have better forwards than us eg Hartson, Bellamy, also Robbie Keane started earlier...Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
He only joined at Christmas, so has only played a few months in the Premiership. 11 goals in that time (including a hat trick) is still pretty impressive for a club like West Brom who didn't score much last season, as well as Robson's baffling decision to keep Earnshaw on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
There are plenty of our strikers that i never got to see play in the green, Don Givens being the obvious example, but in my opinion Robbie HAS TO be our best ever. Not so much for the scoring record, we all know that international teams play far more games than they ever used to, but more for the fact that he's the only player that i feel can always nick a goal for us, even when he's having an off day.Quote:
Originally Posted by finlma
Incidently, someone mentioned the 4-2 defeat in Moscow earlier. Just like to say that i remember the game well, and although he didnt score to set the new consecutive-games record, i thought he had a great game that day (unlike everyone else)...
If Keane had stayed at Inter and been farmed out for a year or two as they wanted to he would probably be a world-class player today. I believe that the manager who took over at Inter and wanted to loan him out said that he had the worst positional sense that he had ever seen and when he sorted that out he could become great. Of course Keane wanted to be a star straight away, and in his shoes who wouldn't I suppose.
I'll be very suprised if Defoe does start against Fulham.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
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Originally Posted by ThatGuy
no disresepect to your opinion but i don't know what sources you have??
maybe a cousin of Mr Tardelli ???
What do you mean 'HAS TO be our best ever' I can name at least 5 Irish strikers that were better than him. egQuote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Townie
Givens
Stapleton
Aldridge
Quinn(even)
Cascarino(yip I'd rather have him)
Thats all I can think of at the moment...
I don't know much about Givens, I'll give you Stapo and Aldo, but Keane is better than Quinn and far superior to Cascarino.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condex
Wasn't it in the papers around the time of his move to Leeds? The Inter manager didn't tell me personally ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by oconghc2
Robbie is the Best he has scored the most goals in less games than Quinn and Stapleton and Cascarino. Maybe Don Givens would be close. The job of a striker is to score goals and Keane does it for us time and time again. Add to this the fact that he is not a natural striker in my view but more of a Bergkamp, Sheringham player. [
Think Robbie Keane case causes nearly as many arguments and theories as any other Irish player between his followers and doubters. Have to say there's no doubt for me about his natural ability and he's by far our best striker at the moment (can't even think of anyone who comes close).
At the same time, am inclined to think that he has found a certain level and he'll hardly improve from now. Have seen him play a lot of games for Spurs against Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and very rarely has he impressed me, contributed anything of note, or scored against the top teams in England. Ditto for Ireland where his scoring record is flattered by his goals in friendlies and against weaker opposition. I know people will come out and say "oh but what about against Germany in World Cup, or Holland in Amsterdam" but these were exceptions rather than the rule.
As I say, if at the top of his game and extremely up for it, I think he can cause a threat certainly. But a list of his weaknesses would be longer than his strengths in my opinion, and I don't like saying it, but he hasn't really improved on any of his problems the way you would expect a top top player to over time.
He doesn't do himself any favours by being inside Lillies a Friday before a massive game either. I know this has been covered already, but the difference in attitude and preparation between that and Thierry Henry is frightening. And we know who was more productive the following Wednesday.
Not sure what to say about Stapleton, again my experiences of him were later in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuy
Jaysus Condex, Cascarino? You must be joking... I think ThatGuy's assertion of 'far superior' could even be an understatement
Aldridge always played a part, but the goals only came much later in his Ireland career. I guess he might be a better finisher, but all-round i'd rather have Robbie up front than Aldridge (one of my all-time heroes, btw) any day.
You can't compare Cascarino and Keane. One is a target man, the other a poacher and both are (were) effective at their roles.
Dream Irish partnership would have been Stapleton (good in the air and on the ground and who could hold the ball up) and Keane. At the moment I think Robbie is missing a target man to play off.
Yeah one was a donkey that used to fall over the ball when it came to his feet and the other is a decent premiership footballer so I agree its unfair to compare them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I'm not saying Cascarino is a better football that Robbie he was very average, all I'm saying is that with his height and strenght he'd cause more problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Townie
looks like Jol is really taking out against all the irish players :S Robbie is never going to start in front of Mido as long as Defoe is there.
keane is twice the player mido is and defoe is one selfish **** ..... reid should be playing as well cause davids looks so uncomfartable out on the left ...
Keane and Reid on, about 15 mins to go
only 7 minutes left on the clock.. doesnt like Robbie is going to contribute anything
I get his feeling Jol is not taking to the three Irish lads.
If Robbie was given the same chance every week as Defoe, then he would score just as many. His experience and goalscoring record at international level is one of the best in the premiership. Defoe has never done anything for england, and probably never will, what with Owen and Rooney about.
Can't believe Reid was replaced by Lennon, the unkown 18 year old kid :confused:
Kelly is still young and still fresh bait for a lot of good wingers. Stalteri looks solid enough, which is fair.
Really hope Everton put a bid in for Robbie in January.
as soon as defoe scored, teh spurs were chanting keano, keano, keano.
jol is abviously being stubborn on this one.
"Can't believe Reid was replaced by Lennon, the unkown 18 year old kid"
lennon is quality, bar fitness, i can see him replacing reid permanently unfortunately, he was full of trickery!