New Irish manager

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100% agreed. And in my opinion he will also have to have Premiership managerial experience, and knowledge of the lower divisions in England, as lets face it, thats where the nucleus of our side comes from.

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Completely agreed with this...

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I would like George Graham personally. He would command the respect of the players, has a great managerial record and seems to have come away relatively unscathed from all that bung stuff a few years ago.

Houllier would be another one, but for me he is mentally weak as a man, and I'm not sure we need someone like that.

O'Leary might be interesting. He had Leeds and Villa playing good football while he was at those clubs and you can't knock his pedigree as a player. Plus, he won't have a transfer budget to play with to put his employers out of business. But can I handle the smarm??........No!

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...so why then name 2 guys who have never managed an english club outside the top flight, and one who hasn't since 1986??

Someone who has been succesful at premiership and championship level is ideal for us. People like Jewell, Souness, Gregory, and Coppell fit the bill, perhaps Peter Reid, Micky Adams, Iain Dowie or Peter Taylor as well.

Roy Hodgson could come into consideration given his record with the Swiss

If the FAI decide they want to go for a continental, Didier Deschamps is an interesting punt at 40/1 on Paddy Power. He is available.

Whats wrong with Beenhakker or Roy Hodgson , these guys are proven at international level and proven with having to coach players once every three months. A different skill to having the players day in day out. To me its guys like these that are the outstanding candidates. Van Gaal out of your list does have that experience. I like Coppell not so sure about Jewell though as I think he could be a bit limited tactically at International level.

O'Leary I wouldn't mind. He brought Leeds to the UEFA semi-final, the CL semi-final, (thanks to Houllier's king size screw up the year before :rolleyes: ) and brought Villa from relegation candidates to within reach of the UEFA Cup in his first season there.

As for Jewell, forget it. This "coach" brought Bradford to the brink of the drop in their first season up, then brought Wigan to the brink of the drop last year, despite having loads to spend. Wouldn't hang around for a whole campaign either, before some PL club waves a few £££'s in his eyes. :rolleyes:

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As for Jewell, forget it. This "coach" brought Bradford to the brink of the drop in their first season up, then brought Wigan to the brink of the drop last year, despite having loads to spend.

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Getting Bradford to the premiership was little short of a miricle. Keeping them there was nothing short. Wigans first season was a hell of an achievment, and last season, the dificult second season, wasn't exactly easy after losing Jimmy Bullard, Chimbonda, Henchoz and Roberts

Liam Brady just said he would be interested in the job but quoted himself at 200/1. He nominated Ron Atkinson!

Big Ron :) I'd still prefer him over O'Leary and that is saying something.

I keep checking on here waiting to see "OFFICIAL - STAN is sacked". If it's not announced by 9 then they are clearly having a few beers (Stan's buying) watching Man Utd-Kiev!!!

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Originally Posted by Scram

Any comments re. Foppe de Haan?

Get realistic, we will not get any current Premiership/ major league manager or Gus Hiddink!!

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Foppe De Haan was coach of Herenveen for years. Had links with UCD, he knew the late Dr. Tony O'Neill
He used to come over during International weeks and pass on some knowledge to our coaches and players, and about a decade ago one of our then players, Declan Fitzgerald, went over for a trial.
He's an excellent coach but in his mid 60's. He retired from the Heerenveen gig.

Richie Sadlier said on Prime Time that he spoke to a few people who played under O'Leary and they didn't have a high opinion of him as a manager. To be honest, I never was a fan of O'Leary and now I really hope he doesn't get it.

John Sheridan has just been announced as the new Ireland manager.






















That's what I want to hear tonight.

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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy

Reading between the lines there, McCarthy was none too pleased with Cascarino for having the balls to say it like it is.

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Not just Cascarino, but Brady, Whelan as well.

Houghton has been talking rubbish on the matter though.

Sadlier didn't sit on the fence with his comments. Staunton wouldn't get to manage 11 year olds. Knifed O'Leary.

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Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy

I wonder who Sadlier spoke to!! Harte by any chance?! Did anyone read that article in the Sunday Indo? Some journo said that one of the Ireland squad "with experience outside the Premiership" thought Staunton was the worst manager he had ever played for. I bet Harte is delighted he spoke to that muppet.

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Harte! Thats who it was!

It was wrecking my head trying to think of a player "with experience outside the Premiership" and the only one I could think of was Keane, which didn't add up.

Berhard O'Byrne talked a lot of sense. Hand spoke his usual nonsense.

We have plenty of players with experience outside the Premiership....have none of you ever heard of the Championship and League One:D.

Imagine Don Givens got the job, I see he is a 14/1. I

I think I said something similar when I heard the news that Staunton got it. I remember thinking that day, how could they give a guy who has never manged at any level and is as articulate as an Uranutang with a sweet left foot and and love of baseball hats could get the job but he did.

What will be Delaney's thinking right now? Got to get myself out of the spotlight. I reckon a quick appointment so that means someone out of work. Someone who will keep the media happy.

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Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

Harte! Thats who it was!

It was wrecking my head trying to think of a player "with experience outside the Premiership" and the only one I could think of was Keane, which didn't add up.

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I don't think Harte was ever called up to the squad, not that the Journalist would register that minor detail.

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Originally Posted by reder

Souness has ruled himself out of the Bolton job. Odds are fairly short on him for irish job. Could very well be the man. O' Leary is very quiet. Would have expected him to be on every radio station and tv broadcast if he was interested.

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I thought that too when Souness did that today.... has he been approached do you think? He's my first choice... Venables second...

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Why must the manager be an ex-top player? Why must he above all else be convincing with the media? These are two of the most ridiculous statments I've seen for a while though not as ridiculous as a recommendation of Souness for the job - one of the worst managers to try his hand in the Premiership. How he kept on picking up jobs was always a mystery to me.

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My point was explained elsewhere.... Of course you dont need to be an ex-top player. Of course you dont need to be convincing with the media...

BUT...

So much of the criticism of Stan to me was based on exactly those two complaints.. How many times did people say to me - "He doesnt talk like a manager" "He's just so boring" "he doesnt inspire me" What a load of rubbish, but to me- thats what people seem to look at. Clearly the media didnt like his manner with them. And secondly Brian Kerr was definately prejudiced against in the media and by fans because he wasnt a top quality player in the past.

So what I'm saying is a bit tongue in cheek... I actually supported Stan throughout and I think people are hypocritical with the suggestions they are making. Very few of these names would survive the sort of abuse Stan got. Any weakness will be jumped on.... So - I think he's going to have to be brilliant in the media and a top player and will have to have exceptional management experience...

Co Adriaanse. Got Willem II Tilburg into the Champions League, which is quite an achievement. UEFA Cup semi-finals with AZ Alkmaar (dumped out on away goals in the semi, in the last minute of extra time). Did the double with Porto.

Known as a 'schoolmeester' (headmaster) type manager in Holland, exactly what the likes of Robbie Keane need.

He's currently 60 and managing a team out in Qatar. International management is something he hasn't done yet, this would be an ideal time for it in his career. You can be sure those Qatari football contracts have release clauses in them for when European jobs come a knocking...

Souness and Delaney?? :confused:

One of them is an obscure, stubborn, ignorant, dictatorial, pig-headed character. The other one comes from Co. Waterford.

So that's a no.

How long will it take the FAI to appoint a new manager?

I remember it took ages after Kerr. And I think it had implications when scheduling for these Euro qualifers took place.

The FAI have a big choice to make in the time frame of the appointment. If they appoint now, they can appoint a mediocre to good manager. If they wait until the draw for the WC qualifying campaign, they can scare off good candidates with a bad group, or bring in a currently unattainable manager with a good group. Any coach would take on the job if there is a good chance of managing in South Africa.

For the love of God, not Souness...

Paul Jewell is the best available man for the job, the new man doesnt have to be Irish, we have gone down that road before and look where its got us.

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Originally Posted by KopKiller

For the love of God, not Souness...

Paul Jewell is the best available man for the job, the new man doesnt have to be Irish, we have gone down that road before and look where its got us.

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What international credientials has Paul Jewell got? Not even European club experience. The only thing he has going for him is that he is currently unemployed. I haven't seen any queue for his services since he opted out of English football.

Gotta be Roddy Collins...

Or Vicente Del Bosque / Lars Lagerback / Didier Deschamps?

This outside consultant won't be Bryan Hamilton again by any chance.....

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Berhard O'Byrne talked a lot of sense. Hand spoke his usual nonsense.

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Totally. Hand and Stapleton were acutely embarrassing, I wqas cringing watching it.

See Hodgson has come way down the betting today, I'd be happy with that.....

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Originally Posted by geysir

I don't think Harte was ever called up to the squad, not that the Journalist would register that minor detail.

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I thought that as well - that's why I went with Keane in my head. My impression was that all the quotes/inside information came from one player, though I may be wrong. On mature reflection, there are planty of players of whom it could be said they have experience outside the Premier League - all those who have played at a lower level in England or those who played in Scotland or continental Europe (McGeady,Keane, O'Shea on loan to Antwerp etc..)

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Me, I'd like Big Ron. Did a great job at guess where and would be an ideal international manager. Larger than life, articulate, knows his football and a good communicator. Not sure what he's up to (no pun intended) at the moment.

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I see Brady supported my candidate last night on tv and Giles even remembered he managed Sheffield Wednesday ;)

Big Ron and Bobby Robson.

Stick a white wooly hat on Charlie O'Leary and roll him down a hill in a bath and you'd have the cast of Last of the Summer Wine..

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Big Ron and Bobby Robson.

Stick a white wooly hat on Charlie O'Leary and roll him down a hill in a bath and you'd have the cast of Last of the Summer Wine..

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brilliant.

Delaney claims (Newstalk interview) that the FAI is in excellent financial health and that this bodes well for the next appointment. So lets start ruling out the low hanging fruit for the managers job.

Whats the problem that some people on here have with 'yesterdays men'?

Lest anyone forgets its a simple game complicated by men.

The likes of Graham, Souness, Dalglish, Atkinson, Venables et al all have a wealth of experience managing at the highest levels , yet according to some here aren't fit to manage our group of players because the game has "moved on".

Yes - our players are so far ahead of the game at this stage only the youngest, most insightful tactition is up to the job

Are there more players per side nowadays?
Bigger/Smaller goals?
Do we still have to put the ball in the net?
Score more than the other team to win?
Has the offside rule changed THAT drastically?
How many permuatations of 11 players can you possibly have in a team formation?

A proven track record managing at a high level is whats required. That suggests an ability to harness collective talent and garner it into true team spirit whilst having a credible insight into the game of football. Man management and the ability to sort out some over massaged egos come as an added bonus.

No dount the likes of Drumcondra and all will pick this apart word by word and imprint Y-E-S-T-E-R-D-A-Y-S--M-E-N all over their reply.

Of all the 'yesterdays men' mentioned, I think the most likely outcome is Souness and I for one would be happy if that were to come to pass

In all honesty how many of the names being touted at the moment for the job are filling us with excitement - none

I hope to god O'Dreary dosent get it. I dont think he'll get the respect of the players. I dont think think he is a strong enough character to bring into line prima donnas like keane and ireland.

Any of the other candidates are as previously stated are yesterday's men and few of them are working in management at the moment.

I would love to see someone with the calibre of Klinsmann, Rehhagel or Beenhaker get the job

By the way did anyone notice how mcgeady just walked straight past staunton at the end of the cyprus match without shaking his hand as the others did....... stauntons even looked shocked at this

Piltown, yesterday's man or not, Graeme Souness's record outside of the 2 horse race that is Scotland is pretty poor.

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Originally Posted by Piltownpossy

Whats the problem that some people on here have with 'yesterdays men'?

Lest anyone forgets its a simple game complicated by men.

The likes of Graham, Souness, Dalglish, Atkinson, Venables et al all have a wealth of experience managing at the highest levels , yet according to some here aren't fit to manage our group of players because the game has "moved on".

Yes - our players are so far ahead of the game at this stage only the youngest, most insightful tactition is up to the job

Are there more players per side nowadays?
Bigger/Smaller goals?
Do we still have to put the ball in the net?
Score more than the other team to win?
Has the offside rule changed THAT drastically?
How many permuatations of 11 players can you possibly have in a team formation?

A proven track record managing at a high level is whats required. That suggests an ability to harness collective talent and garner it into true team spirit whilst having a credible insight into the game of football. Man management and the ability to sort out some over massaged egos come as an added bonus.

No dount the likes of Drumcondra and all will pick this apart word by word and imprint Y-E-S-T-E-R-D-A-Y-S--M-E-N all over their reply.

Of all the 'yesterdays men' mentioned, I think the most likely outcome is Souness and I for one would be happy if that were to come to pass

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No, the basics of the game haven't changed obviously (although the mindset of the players has). The reason I don't want any of those people is because they've been awful in their most recent managerial positions. And most haven't managed in years. That's why they're Y-E-S-T-E-R-D-A-Y-S--M-E-N .

I have this dreadful feeling we are going to be led to believe we are getting Roy Houghton, and end up with Ray Houghton

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Originally Posted by Bluebeard

I have this dreadful feeling we are going to be led to believe we are getting Roy Houghton, and end up with Ray Houghton

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????? do you mean hodgson........ a nightmare if either of them got it