It appears that the only Pats players who will be following O’Donnell to Dundalk are the ones he brought from there in the first place.
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It appears that the only Pats players who will be following O’Donnell to Dundalk are the ones he brought from there in the first place.
Pleased with that one. If we sign a couple more players that we are rumoured to be talking to, then the squad will be shaping up nicelyQuote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Great signing for bohs.
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...contract/?s=09
According to Dundalk ITKs this will get thrown out immediately, with the judge ruling "just get over it lads, it happened in the past".
Absolutely, why would a judge be bothered about a signed contract.
Dundalk hoping to copy Pats and find a loophole?
Won't be opening that link - what's the latest episode of this Dundalk-Pats mini series looking like? :)
Not what he expected to be served at Christmas. It’s sad that it came to this. If he waited a few weeks and if Dundalk did their business in a more ethical and transparent manner it could have been avoided. We don’t want anyone at our club they doesn’t want to be there so it’s the manner in which it all happened that sticks in the craw. It’s not nice think of any family receiving court papers at this time of year but in the same token he didn’t give a **** about any of the Pats people two days after winning the cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B
Imagine if Fair City was less entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
Why are Pat's going to the High Court?
Would the Labour Court not be a more appropriate channel?
Not sure to tbh. Is the labour court for disputes with current employees etc ? This could be a personal lawsuit and not a labour dispute.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The way Pats fans are going on you’d assume they’ve all been sent a copy of O’Donnell’s contract to look through. I personally don’t think O’Donnell would have left Pats if he thought he wasn’t legally able to. This seems to me like Kelleher is serving court notice with the intention of forcing a settlement as he has the wealth to be able to risk a loss in court.
Labour Court I for dispute resolution. Kelleher as I expected is playing for keeps going to the high court, may also be looking for damages....if SOD hasn't acted 100% this will get expensive very quickly. Given pats are launching the action I would be worried for SOD. Not nice for an ordinary Joe to be in court with a multi millionaire
I not privy to any aspects of the contract. All I know is how Mr K does his business. I wouldn’t want to mess around with the man. He has fought more court cases in recent years that has had hot dinners. He took on Nama, the US justice department and various creditors. I’d be fairly sure that he would only go this far on sound legal advice. The important aspect of all is that the Pats legal team have the contract in their possession where Dundalk only have a the word of the man they appointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Is this not a dispute though? Or is it (as D24 suggests) that the dispute has gone beyond employee v employer status?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Probably the case will get settled before it goes to hearing (because of the costs of going to the hearing) and maybe that's Kelleher's goal. But yeah, it can be an expensive game, and it's one of chicken now between Pat's and SOD.
Yeah the High Court would be the right venue for a contractual dispute like this. The Labour Court would be for pay disputes, unfair dismissal claims etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
This could get very very costly for SOD- if it goes all the to a court hearing and he loses ; he’ll most likely be hit for costs for both sides plus whatever compensation the judge awards to Pats- won’t be much lose change out of a €100k if it goes that far- and even if it settles in advance he may still get caught for a relatively huge amount - if I was him I’d be telling Mr K that if I lose then you can sue me and see how you get on…, Mr K would be very aware used to that type of tactic from both sides !!Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Ps…. For a little guy going up against the likes of Mr K this will be extremely stressful ( even if he has advice that he’s in the right - once his legal team give him an estimate of the costs he’ll be sweating and I suspect that’s why K has gone for this option)
Id imagine this is only for starters & id say if he wins it will be Dundalk themselves next. It’s an unsavoury episode that could have been avoided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Lee Desmond confirmed to be leaving Pats for the USA. Expected given he was originally due to go over a year previous which was stopped due to covid but a big loss. Top class defender and a great service to the club over the last 7 seasons
If you want a good laugh have a look at the bluster here: http://www.orielweb.com/dundalktalk/...0533&start=735
A contract dispute doesn’t get into the High Court unless the claim is for over €75,000. Add the exorbitant legal costs that go with a High Court case and you’re looking at a potential exposure of upwards of €200,000 for O’Donnell and/or Dundalk if the Court upholds the claim.
The facts in the public domain (and not denied by O’Donnell even though some Dundalk fans seem to believe that he was out of contract) are that he had two years to run on a contract that had been validly extended and was advised by someone that he only had to give a week’s notice to get out of it. If that was really true, why do you think compensation is paid all the time to businesses in Ireland and elsewhere when people under contract are headhunted by other companies. Unless the Court decides to set a new legal precedent (which will mean there’d be no point in having fixed-term contracts any more in Ireland as they couldn’t be enforced) St Pats are going to win this and the personal implications for O’Donnell will be very severe. So I hope the people now advising him are a bit more knowledgeable than the bluster brigade on Orielweb.
If it’s true that he was contracted for 2 years but the contract stipulated that he could give 1 weeks notice and leave - then SOD is in the clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
However that would be the most one sided contract in favour of the employee that I’ve ever heard of.
I hope SOD got professional advice from a solicitor rather than some barfly expert - it never ceases to amaze me as to how many and often people take legal advice from barfly experts and live to regret it -
Ps - just read the comments on the Dundalk forum - seems they have no shortage of barfly experts- anyway let’s hope this goes to court so we get to hear the facts ( somehow I doubt it will go that far) - I’m betting on a joint statement from both parties that contains a grovelling apology from SOD
Nah Mr K is a born again Christian if proved correct he will insist on a cross and a few nails as punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Can you link me to where this is in the public domain please as I am unable to find anything definitive apart from a few butt hurt Pats fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
Also are you saying that Pats contracts are like a free subscription to Netflix, if you forget to cancel in time it automatically renews?
Sounds more like a born again Isis followerQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
But at his unveiling yesterday, O’Donnell said: “I handed in my notice and with the agreement I signed originally with St Patrick’s Athletic, that’s my legal right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
“I’m not going to go into the ins and outs of contracts but that’s my legal right and I wouldn't have done it otherwise.
Stephen O'Donnell insists Dundalk will be a 'very big club again' - Irish Mirror Online
As I said, it's not disputed by O'Donnell that he was under contract.
What this is about is whether or not he could walk on a week's notice.
Sounds like pure guff from Dundalk fans who previously I’ve had no quarrels with. Let the wigs decide and us mere mortals to argue over referees etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Thanks for that but where did he say he actually signed a two year contract like you are claiming? He said he handed in his notice in line with the requirement in his original contract?
It was only a tongue n cheek observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Have Dundalk folk just gone down the road where that just because they do something it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
It's well known that he was under contract to end 2023. I'm not trawling to find a link for you but he hasn't denied it. And I'm not going through all the arguments again as to why a fixed-term contract would never allow for walking on a week's notice - you'll find them earlier on this thread not just from me but from supporters of other clubs too.
Bottom line - believe what you want to believe, all that matters now is what emerges in Court.
Sorry wasn't responding to you, I clicked reply instead of quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
On your question, depends what you mean by right. Hiring someone that is out of contract isn't wrong. If O'Donnell was in fact in contract, we'll end up paying compo. Kelleher's nose being put out of joint and the emotion of the whole thing has lead to this.
It is well known that hurt football fans make things up and post it on internet forums and social media. I tell you what if you can provide any evidence that O'Donnell signed a contract until 2023 over the next couple of days I'll donate €20 to a charity of your choice. Trawl awayQuote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
That's in the hands of the lawyers now. Let's see who's proven right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Paddy Barrett signs a long term contract with pats. Not the best day in the word for the O'Donnell household
Happy with that , it’s a pity that Lee Desmond has moved on but Paddy is a good lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
You seem very very sure of your facts there. Do you really think Pats are serving legal papers because Garrett Kelleher is “butthurt” ? That would be incredibly silly of him if he hasn’t a legal basis to bring a case, wouldn’t you think ? He is effectively putting his money where his mouth is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Anyone who has been following the O’Donnell saga will understand the significance of Paddy Barrett weighing up the Dundalk “project” and deciding the future is brighter in Inchicore.
“I loved my first year at Pat’s, it’s the club where I’ve been at my happiest from a personal point of view, both on the field and off the field.
I really enjoyed last year, and it’s not something I wanted to move away from.
It’s really exciting times ahead with the new Manager Tim Clancy who I’ve had good conversations with, I know Jon Daly from my time in Scotland along with Alan Mathews and the staff already at the club, we can’t wait to hit the ground running next week.”
Maybe he got a much better deal than last year, and Pats needed to act quickly with Desmond leaving. A lot of players will do that using leverage of another interested club to get a better deal, and absolutely nothing wrong with that in my book.
LOI is not the PL, any player that gets a good deal, good luck to him.
The evidence is in a well educated multi millionaire going to the high court. I could be wrong but if he is I’ll eat my hat. I’m reading between the lines. It’s safe to assume the same legal people wrote the contract and filed the lawsuit. It’s not rocket science that one. Their reputation is on the line in their own trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
In respect of the contract, surely these were the options?
1/ Dundalk get confirm that one was signed for 2 years after cup final and agree compensation (correct thing to do).
2/ Verbal agreement on contract extension only - no case.
3/ Pats annoyed he advised he was going to leave his position 48 hours after cup final win, and 1 week later formal notice to leave, can obviously see the annoyance, but is that it?