Adam Idah F. Celtic b.2001

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08/02/2024, 11:40 AM
Stuttgart88

And his career has been interrupted by injuries and infrequent selection.

I'm not super-bullish on the guy's long term level but he has a great chance to develop his game with regular football.
08/02/2024, 12:27 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Did I? You asked what I meant and I quoted the exact post I was talking about. Don't think I could have been any clearer tbh

You did - in the part of your post I quoted. "You'd swear reading some lads on here that he might as well retire"

If it's only weldoninho then that's fine. But that was just one over-the-top post (based around a definite kernel of truth), which isn't what your post suggested
08/02/2024, 12:37 PM
Snapshot

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

He's 22, not unreasonable to think he might get better with age given the amount of experience he has already

He's played Premiership, Championship and international football but needs St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Livingston and Ross County to improve his skills.
08/02/2024, 12:43 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You did - in the part of your post I quoted. "You'd swear reading some lads on here that he might as well retire"

If it's only weldoninho then that's fine. But that was just one over-the-top post (based around a definite kernel of truth), which isn't what your post suggested

Ok see snapshots recent posts for further clarification. Jesus dude, you might also just look at the thread and see for yourself what I'm talking about instead of pedantically asking for every post specifically pointed out
08/02/2024, 12:59 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

From what I can see, he only started 39 games for Norwich. Not entirely sure the 166 figure is correct� 39 career starts in all competitions across 5 seasons isn�t ever enough to build proper momentum

Injuries have been a big problem for him, always seem to happen at bad times too.
08/02/2024, 1:03 PM
elatedscum

Sorry for all the deletes. Having some issue on my phone:

From what I can see, he only started 39 games for Norwich. Not entirely sure the 166 figure is correct� 39 career starts in all competitions across 5 seasons isn�t ever enough to build proper momentum

Update Snapshot: 166 (168) is the number of games he played for Norwich including reserves, fa youth cup and u18s.

115 appearances in total, 39 starts across 5 seasons
08/02/2024, 1:05 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Ok see snapshots recent posts for further clarification. Jesus dude, you might also just look at the thread and see for yourself what I'm talking about instead of pedantically asking for every post specifically pointed out

Not pedantry at all. Myself and third policeman had both commented that he hadn't necessarily played well for all that he scored two penalties, and you posted straight after with the below post, which suggests you think any sort of criticism is problematic ("yes he missed some chances, strikers do that sometimes" - a key and consistent criticism of Idah though), and that multiple posters are at it.

If you're clarifying that you were only giving out about one specific post from one poster, then that's fine. But that's not how your original post came across.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

The lad is there 5 mins and has 2 goals and an assist. It's a fine start, room for improvement but you'd swear reading some lads on here that he might as well retire.

And yes he missed some chances, strikers do that sometimes, but overall his movements and positioning were quite good... and showed massive balls to slot home winning pen.
08/02/2024, 1:14 PM
seanfhear

If fit ~ He'd want to be knocking goals from play, in Scotland playing for Celtic ~ You'd be expected to be knocking goals in, in the Championship if you were playing for a team that has so many advantages against the others ( bar Rangers in Scotland )

This six months ( if he stays fit ) could certainly tell us a lot about his potential level.
08/02/2024, 1:14 PM
Ol� Ol�

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

It's also that he has some great attributes for a centre forward. He's tall, he's quick and he has a decent touch. He absolutely hasn't put it all together yet, and he may never do, but there's another possibility which is that by 24 or 25 things click for him, he learns how to use his speed, size and strength to best effect and he becomes a genuinely top level striker as a result.

This sums up my views. There have been plenty tall and quick strikers with good touches that struggle for goals in their early 20's and turn into really good centre forwards. Drogba and Giroud are the archetypal ones. I think Idah is worth persisting with.

He's also shown at a few junctures that he is capable of scoring good goals and his scoring frequency is scaling.

I'm all here for it.
08/02/2024, 1:17 PM
Razors left peg

How you interpreted it is your own issue. I've been very critical myself of him at times, but I also see a lot of potential in him and I'm happy to see him get a change of scenery to see how it goes and hope it kickstarts him a bit. He's shown flashes of being a good player in the past but he's also very frustrating.
08/02/2024, 2:09 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by Ol� Ol�

This sums up my views. There have been plenty tall and quick strikers with good touches that struggle for goals in their early 20's and turn into really good centre forwards. Drogba and Giroud are the archetypal ones. I think Idah is worth persisting with.

He's also shown at a few junctures that he is capable of scoring good goals and his scoring frequency is scaling.

I'm all here for it.

I doubt he'll ever get to the levels of Giroud and Drogba, but I've said before he could be like Ollie Watkins or Callum Wilson. Both lads had stints in lower divisions than Idah and developed late. They'd be good career target for Troy Parrott too
08/02/2024, 2:51 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

If fit ~ He'd want to be knocking goals from play, in Scotland playing for Celtic ~ You'd be expected to be knocking goals in, in the Championship if you were playing for a team that has so many advantages against the others ( bar Rangers in Scotland ).

In truth, you'd have fancied him to score more if he was in the Hibs team last night. Celtic had very little, if any, advantage over Hibs.
08/02/2024, 3:15 PM
Exgrad

On the whole, i would think it is a "good thing" that Idah scored two goals on his first start for Celtic, including a last minute winner. Looks like penalties don't appear to count as goals for some poeple though. Hopefully he can build on his positive start.
08/02/2024, 4:13 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Exgrad

On the whole, i would think it is a "good thing" that Idah scored two goals on his first start for Celtic, including a last minute winner. Looks like penalties don't appear to count as goals for some poeple though. Hopefully he can build on his positive start.

Ah in fairness, that's another strawman post - challenging an argument no-one has made.

Yes, there's a point that it's good he's already off the mark, even if from the spot.

But Stutts, liamoo and Crafty have all outlined chances from play he missed which unfortunately ties in with the general impression we have of him of a forward whose finishing badly lets him down.

Those views aren't mutually exclusive.
08/02/2024, 5:39 PM
CraftyToePoke

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I remember four, one saved by Marshall where he should have lifted it, one saved by Marshall's feet with a decent effort but he was later flagged offside, one blasted onto the bar (had to score) but again offside and the worst was a total fluff from 8 yards from a lovely low sqaure ball across the box.

There was a headed chance as well FWIR, might have been after all those other one you mention.
08/02/2024, 7:40 PM
geysir

At present he's in the carthorse category. A similar role and build striker for Celtic, Vennegoor of Hesselink ,would have put away those chances. Though the penalties were pure class especially the last one and that counts.
08/02/2024, 9:25 PM
tetsujin1979

Any guesses on who the previous Irish player to score two penalties in the same Scottish Premiership was before Stokes?
08/02/2024, 9:43 PM
nigel-harps1954

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Any guesses on who the previous Irish player to score two penalties in the same Scottish Premiership was before Stokes?

Richie Foran, at a guess?
08/02/2024, 9:49 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Richie Foran, at a guess?

great guess!
For Motherwell, against Falkirk in November 2006
08/02/2024, 10:25 PM
nigel-harps1954

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

great guess!
For Motherwell, against Falkirk in November 2006

Couldn't think of any other Irish player who scored semi regularly around then!
09/02/2024, 6:35 AM
Snapshot

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I doubt he'll ever get to the levels of Giroud and Drogba, but I've said before he could be like Ollie Watkins or Callum Wilson. Both lads had stints in lower divisions than Idah and developed late. They'd be good career target for Troy Parrott too

At 22, Callum Wilson arrived at Bournemouth and scored 23 goals to win them promotion. Despite a spate of injuries he then scored 44 EPL goals before moving to Newcastle for �20m where he has scored nearly 50 EPL goals.

At 22, Watkins scored 49 Championship goals in three seasons before arriving at Villa for �28m. He is currently on 59 EPL goals, 5 Euro goals and 10 Cup goals.

At 23 (in two days), Idah has been tossed aside by mediocre Norwich. His opposition in coming months, bar a couple, will be the equivalent of Crewe Alexander and Burton Albion. I wish it wasn't, but any comparison to Wilson and Watkins is creative to say the least.
09/02/2024, 7:36 AM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

At 22, Callum Wilson arrived at Bournemouth and scored 23 goals to win them promotion. Despite a spate of injuries he then scored 44 EPL goals before moving to Newcastle for �20m where he has scored nearly 50 EPL goals.

At 22, Watkins scored 49 Championship goals in three seasons before arriving at Villa for �28m. He is currently on 59 EPL goals, 5 Euro goals and 10 Cup goals.

At 23 (in two days), Idah has been tossed aside by mediocre Norwich. His opposition in coming months, bar a couple, will be the equivalent of Crewe Alexander and Burton Albion. I wish it wasn't, but any comparison to Wilson and Watkins is creative to say the least.

He'd want to improve a lot alright ~ How come he doesn't make better use of his obvious physical attributes ~ I know soccer has become very namby pamby, but surely you can still use such physical advantages !

On my head son ~ Head in where others wouldn't ~ Centre-backs Not pleased to see you ~ True Grit ~
09/02/2024, 8:58 AM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

At 22, Callum Wilson arrived at Bournemouth and scored 23 goals to win them promotion. Despite a spate of injuries he then scored 44 EPL goals before moving to Newcastle for �20m where he has scored nearly 50 EPL goals.

At 22, Watkins scored 49 Championship goals in three seasons before arriving at Villa for �28m. He is currently on 59 EPL goals, 5 Euro goals and 10 Cup goals.

At 23 (in two days), Idah has been tossed aside by mediocre Norwich. His opposition in coming months, bar a couple, will be the equivalent of Crewe Alexander and Burton Albion. I wish it wasn't, but any comparison to Wilson and Watkins is creative to say the least.

I'd be comparing him more with Cillian Sheridan or Conor Sammon than Wilson or Giroud.
09/02/2024, 11:06 AM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

On my head son ~ Head in where others wouldn't ~ Centre-backs Not pleased to see you ~ True Grit ~

Boys in the park. Jumpers for goalposts. Beans on toast. Fly goalie. Four up front. Isn�t it? Wasn�t it? Marvellous.
09/02/2024, 3:09 PM
backstothewall

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Boys in the park. Jumpers for goalposts. Beans on toast. Fly goalie. Four up front. Isn�t it? Wasn�t it? Marvellous.

I read this in the voice.
09/02/2024, 3:44 PM
Razors left peg

Pineapple, you see now what I was on about... he might as well retire :p
09/02/2024, 3:53 PM
pineapple stu

I... don't really, to be honest?
11/02/2024, 2:17 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Pineapple, you see now what I was on about... he might as well retire :p

I think you just have to let people be optimistic or pessimistic about a player without taking it personally if you disagree. Life's too short. Fingers crossed Idah wins the Premiership at 27 after breaking scoring records, but all we can do for now is watch and see how he does playing for a big fish in a small pond.
12/02/2024, 10:47 AM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by John83

I think you just have to let people be optimistic or pessimistic about a player without taking it personally if you disagree. Life's too short. Fingers crossed Idah wins the Premiership at 27 after breaking scoring records, but all we can do for now is watch and see how he does playing for a big fish in a small pond.

Big Fish?? Another anonymous performance yesterday and thankfully hauled after an hour.
12/02/2024, 11:09 AM
Stuttgart88

Did anyone play well? Did Oh do any better?
12/02/2024, 11:26 AM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

Big Fish?? Another anonymous performance yesterday and thankfully hauled after an hour.

From the post you quoted - "see how he does playing for a big fish in a small pond."

Celtic are the big fish in a small pond, not Idah. That's fairly unarguable I think?
12/02/2024, 1:23 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Celtic are the big fish in a small pond, not Idah. That's fairly unarguable I think?

something something Connor Sammon.
12/02/2024, 1:37 PM
pineapple stu

Sammo was a good penalty taker btw.

Just throwing that out there. :p
12/02/2024, 3:44 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Sammo was a good penalty taker btw.

Just throwing that out there. :p

Someone actually let him be on pens in the first place is the shocker there!
12/02/2024, 4:12 PM
pineapple stu

First found that out in a penalty shoot-out in a League Cup first round game in Station Road. Top bins. Shoot-outs are great for finding out that sort of stuff :)
12/02/2024, 9:42 PM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Did anyone play well? Did Oh do any better?

Oh had a decent chance near the end, deflected over. The other 10 played ok, a lot more control once Bernardo came on. Bernabei had a decent game considering how much stick he�s been getting, Kyogo seems to be coming into some form. Can see Celtic going back to 433 and Kyogo playing centrally with Palma and Kuhn playing either side. Pity to see Abada seems to have jacked it in. Good player on his day.
13/02/2024, 5:49 PM
Exgrad

Hopefully celtic will win a match with idah in the team at some point

Whens the last time he started three times in a row btw.? So getting plenty of minutes now which hopefully he can build on, even if he is losing every game he plays.
13/02/2024, 5:53 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by Exgrad

Hopefully celtic will win a match with idah in the team at some point

Whens the last time he started three times in a row btw.? So getting plenty of minutes now which hopefully he can build on, even if he is losing every game he plays.

What are you on about, they won both games he played including a last minute winner from a penalty from Idah
13/02/2024, 8:02 PM
Exgrad

Sorry was just going on the posts here and elsewhere, based on that was hard to believe he was contributing to a winning team.
13/02/2024, 8:19 PM
Razors left peg

Haha, sorry I missed the sarcasm

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