Stephen Kenny

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Originally Posted by geysir

Afaiu, Irish mothered Nathan is still eligible to declare for us until he togs out for Jamaica in a competitive match. At the time Mick talked with the agent, Redmond had not publicly stated his intention to declare for Jamaica.

The misunderstanding is Kenny's (alleged) use of the word "ineligible" and some posters here thinking that meant Redmond was ineligible when Mick tried to tap him up

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It's not alleged, Kenny used it quite clearly in a discussion with fans last week

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Originally Posted by geysir

Why is Redmond not eligible? Isn't his mother Irish?

I'd say he's eligible but has chosen England.

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No his mother isn't Irish.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37657608.html

Above from 2018, Irish connections in Dublin via his mother, vague enough.

Stephen Kenny said last week he wasn't eligible, (along with Callum O'Hare and Jack O'Connell). Are you saying he's wrong, or that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

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Originally Posted by Exgrad

that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

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He's about to let on that's what he was saying yes, & that he knew all the last weeks happenings on Redmond. You're about to meet Geysir, basically :) :)

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Originally Posted by Exgrad

No his mother isn't Irish.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37657608.html

Above from 2018, Irish connections in Dublin via his mother, vague enough.

Stephen Kenny said last week he wasn't eligible, (along with Callum O'Hare and Jack O'Connell). Are you saying he's wrong, or that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

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I’m fairly sure that Nathan’s mother is self described as Irish and she confirmed his eligibility and that she’d like him play for ireland but was happy for him to do whatever made him happy. This was all on Twitter years and years ago and someone dug up old tweets. Maybe it’s a Ryan Johansson case where she was born in the uk and brought up here before moving back, or something like that...

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Originally Posted by Exgrad

No his mother isn't Irish.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37657608.html

Above from 2018, Irish connections in Dublin via his mother, vague enough.

Stephen Kenny said last week he wasn't eligible, (along with Callum O'Hare and Jack O'Connell). Are you saying he's wrong, or that he was eligible when McCarthy was manager, and isn't now (presumably because he's declared for Jamaica)?

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That article states
"Redmond's Irish connections are in Dublin through his mother Michelle Redmond, who raised her three children alone."
In other articles it's stated that the mother is irish born. But yep, those reports of Redmond's mother being Irish born are most probably just assumed and inaccurate.

Kenny could have been referring to Redmond being deep down in the process of declaring for Jamaica, therefore not eligible.
Did Kenny mention the exact reason why Redmond was illegible?
I don't know what Mick knew, the article linked in this thread just simply states Redmond's agent was contacted and it was a no go.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

It's not alleged, Kenny used it quite clearly in a discussion with fans last week

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I didn't listen to the interview, I put alleged in brackets, did Kenny state why Redmond wasn't eligible?

No big deal as obviously Redmond wasn't interested in Ireland at a time when he thought he was eligible, and no big deal what Mick didn't know when Redmond's agent was contacted.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Just don’t show the FA too much respect along the way is my point. Check in often, make promises, show 1916 videos... etc etc

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We could always beg if all else fails I suppose !

I've seen enough.

The FAI don't have any money so we're stuck with this joker for the full length of his contract.

And with the money situation in mind, who would they get anyway?

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Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

And with the money situation in mind, who would they get anyway?

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And what players does he put out?

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

And what players does he put out?

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How about we start by playing our most experienced players, like McClean, Hendrick, Duffy, Brady, etc.? No wonder David McGoldrick retired and Damien Duff quit.

I think he might walk away. Especially if he loses to Qatar and Portugal, which is more likely than not.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

How about we start by playing our most experienced players, like McClean, Hendrick, Duffy, Brady, etc.? No wonder David McGoldrick retired and Damien Duff quit.

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No, I don't buy that. Duffy's form has collapsed. McClean, Hendrick and Brady haven't shown too much when they've been called on either. We need to bring new players through. Everyone here was delighted when they saw the team in Serbia precisely because those three were dropped. So I think we need some balance one way or another there really.

Pathetic. The worst result Irish football history. I'm disgusted.

Kenny needs to go.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

How about we start by playing our most experienced players, like McClean, Hendrick, Duffy, Brady, etc.? No wonder David McGoldrick retired and Damien Duff quit.

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I think that’s the least valid criticism of all. Arguably he played it safe by using them from the bench. In both games he brought on those experienced players and for the most part in both games we got worse. There’s a lot to criticise Kenny for but those players proved they didn’t deserve to be starting when they came on.

This is shocking stuff. Still a long way to go? Is this guy trying to wind us up?

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

This is shocking stuff. Still a long way to go? Is this guy trying to wind us up?

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"after playing brilliantly in Serbia"

Can you imagine Roy saying that about a lost match...

It's now plain for all to see that Kenny needs to go, but who should be his successor given the bankrupt FAI's limited funds?

There's no easy solution to all of this

I hear Chris Coleman's name being mentioned as an eventual replacement.

Wouldn't be the worst appointment. At least he's played and managed at the highest level.

Interesting that his Wales salary was about the same as Kenny's, if not slightly less

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ion%20a%20year.

Coleman referred to us as a British Team. He can f@€k off!

Give Kenny til the rest of the campaign. Let him try and forge his game. Might as well. We’ve had enough chopping and changing. No manager will be our saviour for a while I fear

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Coleman referred to us as a British Team. He can f@€k off!

Give Kenny til the rest of the campaign. Let him try and forge his game. Might as well. We’ve had enough chopping and changing. No manager will be our saviour for a while I fear

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I tend to agree. Very disappointed with how its gone so far but we have a young squad thats short of confidence. I am not hopeful but I would at least give Kenny most of the WC campaign. We are out now, so it makes no difference

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Originally Posted by Trequartista20

I hear Chris Coleman's name being mentioned as an eventual replacement.

Wouldn't be the worst appointment. At least he's played and managed at the highest level.

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Your head tell you that? A failed manager at every level apart from international level, with two world class players in Ramsey and Bale at the time.

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Originally Posted by lofty9

Your head tell you that? A failed manager at every level apart from international level, with two world class players in Ramsey and Bale at the time.

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So you think the Kenny regime should be allowed to limp on indefinitely? We are well on course to finish bottom of our group, behind Luxembourg.

Just how could Coleman, who brought the smaller nation of Wales to the semi-finals of the European Championships, fare any worse, exactly?

He'd at least have a notion of what he was doing.

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Originally Posted by Trequartista20

So you think the Kenny regime should be allowed to limp on indefinitely? We are well on course to finish bottom of our group, behind Luxembourg.

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So Azerbaijan don't exist now?

No they definitely exist alright, but there is a genuinely a reasonable chance that we finish behind them too I think. I watched them in a game against Wales in the last campaign. They weren't terrible by any means.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021...ned-about-job/

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And when asked whether he was concerned about his position as national team manager, Kenny said that it was not a concern.
"That’s not even in question," said Kenny, speaking to RTÉ Sport. "I’m not even concerned with that at the minute. I’m concerned that we had a really, really poor result tonight, that none of us are happy with that."

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

No they definitely exist alright, but there is a genuinely a reasonable chance that we finish behind them too I think. I watched them in a game against Wales in the last campaign. They weren't terrible by any means.

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Azerbaijan are much the same strength as Luxembourg. https://eloratings.net/ has them 103rd and 108th in the world.

Kenny should go. I had major reservations giving him the job at the beginning as I thought the players wouldn't respect him. He is clearly not up to managing the national team but then again that is not a big surprise as his level has always been that of a LOI manager only (aside from his Dunfermline sacking).

However, it is only going to get worse from here as I don't see us achieving a victory over any team in the group. I'd rather we get rid of him now instead of wasting the rest of the world cup campaign on him.

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Originally Posted by TrapAPony

Kenny should go. I had major reservations giving him the job at the beginning as I thought the players wouldn't respect him. He is clearly not up to managing the national team but then again that is not a big surprise as his level has always been that of a LOI manager only (aside from his Dunfermline sacking).

However, it is only going to get worse from here as I don't see us achieving a victory over any team in the group. I'd rather we get rid of him now instead of wasting the rest of the world cup campaign on him.

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The FAI should have a quite word with say 5 Senior Players and ask them if they can see a squad of senior Irish internationals playing respectfully for Kenny after this. If the players won’t / don’t want to play for Kenny ~ ~ What is the Point of going on with this ?

Did he resign?

Think he should get this campaign and the next euros. Was disappointed to see him walk off without embracing each player as they came off last night. It's easy do that on the good nights but its nights Like last night you really need that show of togetherness I think

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

The FAI should have a quite word with say 5 Senior Players and ask them if they can see a squad of senior Irish internationals playing respectfully for Kenny after this. If the players won’t / don’t want to play for Kenny ~ ~ What is the Point of going on with this ?

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No they shouldn’t. Talk about undermining your senior manager.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

The FAI should have a quite word with say 5 Senior Players and ask them if they can see a squad of senior Irish internationals playing respectfully for Kenny after this. If the players won’t / don’t want to play for Kenny ~ ~ What is the Point of going on with this ?

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Doesnt matter who the manager is,any player who wont/dont want to play for his country should be told to F..enjoy the rest of your club career.

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

Think he should get this campaign and the next euros. Was disappointed to see him walk off without embracing each player as they came off last night. It's easy do that on the good nights but its nights Like last night you really need that show of togetherness I think

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Under any circumstances? Even if we finish bottom of the group? Our FIFA/UEFA ranking is being destroyed by Kenny. I pity his successor once Euro qualification comes round.

I think he got away without major criticism v Bulgaria at home. Bulgaria are a terrible team and we needed to win it for seedlings. I'm not sure why people are ignoring the facts. We haven't won a game in ten under this man. We've just been beaten iby Luxembourg in Dublin. We have scored 3 goals n total.
I thought his post match interview was harrowing if I'm honest. He has nowhere near the authority to be an international manager. Let's be honest we have better players then Luxembourg, so why bring the FAI and all their unprofessional influence into this. Maybe one day we will play nice football and win games, but it wont be under kenny.. btw how many of trap, mon, or micks senoir staff quit mid campaign ? None I I guess. Kenny has had two. I'm sorry but he is not our guy

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Originally Posted by Trequartista20

Under any circumstances? Even if we finish bottom of the group? Our FIFA/UEFA ranking is being destroyed by Kenny. I pity his successor once Euro qualification comes round.

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If he gets this campaign and then the euros he will have been in charge for I guess close to 40 games. That is a fair go at it and if that is not going well then it is very reasonable to let him go. He will also be contributing to the underage sides and general development structures over that period.

He needs to show more initiative. Ni variety or hint of invention on free kicks or corners is very disappointing even Luxembourg had a few training ground dead ball routines. He also needs to show an ability to play possesion based football in a way that suits our players skills. How many times did we pass short to Clark last night who then when short to Steven's who was tight to the touchline and double marked and then lost the ball. There seemed to be no strategy to work through the lines to get out cause sure as hell going wide to your left sided centre half and then wide again to your marked left full stuck to the line is not going to be successful

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Originally Posted by da bishop

Doesnt matter who the manager is,any player who wont/dont want to play for his country should be told to F..enjoy the rest of your club career.

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We don’t have enough Players to discard them all if they do not feel Stephen Kenny is up to the Job ~ ~ That is the way it is whether we like it or not.

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

If he gets this campaign and then the euros he will have been in charge for I guess close to 40 games. That is a fair go at it and if that is not going well then it is very reasonable to let him go. He will also be contributing to the underage sides and general development structures over that period.

He needs to show more initiative. Ni variety or hint of invention on free kicks or corners is very disappointing even Luxembourg had a few training ground dead ball routines. He also needs to show an ability to play possesion based football in a way that suits our players skills. How many times did we pass short to Clark last night who then when short to Steven's who was tight to the touchline and double marked and then lost the ball. There seemed to be no strategy to work through the lines to get out cause sure as hell going wide to your left sided centre half and then wide again to your marked left full stuck to the line is not going to be successful

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We play such contained, passive football under Kenny, hence the lack of goals. And we're so easily got at.

We're far too easy to play against. No-one fears playing us any more.

Some people like making comparisons between Kenny and Michael O'Neill. But this is a false paradigm - O'Neill is tactically astute and played pragmatic football - he knew NI's limitations. There's little to no sign of this under Kenny, who is trying to compete with technically superior sides on their own terms.

Further, Kenny will never manage a team at Championship level, like Stoke, as O'Neill is doing. He simply isn't good enough.

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Originally Posted by Trequartista20

We play such contained, passive football under Kenny, hence the lack of goals. And we're so easily got at.

We're far too easy to play against. No-one fears playing us any more.

Some people like making comparisons between Kenny and Michael O'Neill. But this is a false paradigm - O'Neill is tactically astute and played pragmatic football - he knew NI's limitations. There's little to no sign of this under Kenny, who is trying to compete with technically superior sides on their own terms.

Further, Kenny will never manage a team at Championship level, like Stoke, as O'Neill is doing. He simply isn't good enough.

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Was it last season on the season before that Michael O’Neill basically saved Stoke from relegation ? They are 11th now which is pretty good considering the situation Michael O’Neill inherited. Michael O’Neill’s Northern Ireland record ( long term after an admittedly rocky start ) and his Stoke record is well above anything Stephen Kenny has achieved.

Can Stephen Kenny do what Michael O’Neill did with Northern Ireland ?