Today's Indo makes quite a bit of the fact that these pr1cks even were having a drinking session in the first place. You’ve got to ask the question if they were away with their clubs would they have done it.
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Today's Indo makes quite a bit of the fact that these pr1cks even were having a drinking session in the first place. You’ve got to ask the question if they were away with their clubs would they have done it.
To be honest I'm surprised by these vitriolic reactions Stutts.
I know that in this ultra-scientific era every dietary and fitness issue is scrupulously examined, but this incident was a post-match drink or two, a few days before a match.
This wasn't the night before, it was a couple of nights before a game.
I have no problem with the lads having a drink or two after a match.
Obviously if they're getting hammered the night before a game it's a different story, but I think calling these guys "pr1cks" for having a drink and a sing-song days before their next match is a bit much.
Ultimately, there's a big difference between having a drink or two, and getting hammered, and I'm not willing to assume that the latter happened without concrete proof.
the indo has nothing better to do, a few drinks 4 nights before a game is not a bad thing.
In fact 10 lads together having a sing-song shows camraderie and is good for team bonding, is shows there is a togetherness amongst them.
However when they are told to go to bed by the manager and 2 in the morning as they have work the next day, they should go to bed.
Have a read of the Indo article. I think it's quite good. Makes the point that the SANCTIONED drinking session was just after physical exertion, which they say is not recommended by medical practicioners...
The article is quite critical of Trap. For allowing the drinking in the first place and also for his treatment of Reid and absence from games. I agree with a lot of it.
Of course yes, going to bed by the curfew should be abided by.
Trap, I would say didn't actually realise that the irish players liked their drink, he said about beer all over the table. He obviouslly thought they would be singing with little alcohol comsumption and hence why he said it was like a pub and realises he shouldn't have given the go ahead in the first place. This is probably why he was so annoyed with Reid, as he saw him as an instigator, when he should be the first to bed, given the fact he wasn't in the team and should be trying to impress the manager. I would say that he was also upset with BRady as he was in the thick of it too and suggested reid to get the guitar out.
I think this is a better article by the great James Lawton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...y-1551695.html
I dunno... I reckon he would've started last week when Keane pulled out had their relationship (whatever it is) been better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
rumour has it that it was far more than "a drink or two". also, most gaa championship players in large stay off the sauce for the entire championship. if its advisable for amateurs surely its obligitory for professionals?Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
capello has introduced similar rules and strictness for england and look at their recent form compared to where they where under mcclaren. if they dont like it they can disappear. i go without lots of things so i can afford to follow the team so surely they can do what they are told while having the privilage to be on international duty
Limerick's team definitely didn't (and look what happened to them), and if the others are teetotal for the Championship, what are they like for the other months of the year?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
I think that A Reid is an average player like most of the squad, I think people are over reacting about it, me personally, I would have him in the 22/23 man squad, but not a starter for me.
to be honest tets, i even know club sides give up the drink for the season, or very rarely drink certainly around 2 weeks before a championship game would be the norm.
hear hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
I think he's a very good player but a poor athlete and that ten or 15 years ago he'd have been a higher profile player than he is today. I keep going back to it on other threads and topics but Frank Lampard should be a role model for a hell of alot of players, esp Andy Reid...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
What about Lampard exactly? and what is Andy Reid not doing that he should start doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
playing for Ireland?
One thing that Juande Ramos has rightly been given credit for is to get his players fitter & leaner. Tom Huddlestone lost lots of weight when Ramos arrived. Even Robbie Keane got in much better condition. Despite all the assurances about Reid's fitness and his weight I'd love to have seen how his physical condition and consequently his form would have fared under Ramos' regime.
I think Reid's problem is that the top clubs who feel they can afford the luxury of a playmaking midfielder can go out and buy the best available. The rest of the EPL feel they get results better by being physical and scrapping for points. The likes of Sunderland probably view Reid's type of player as a luxury, though it's clear to anyone watching that they're a better side when he plays.
Ha, that'd be a good start alright I suppose!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Maybe he'd be better suited to league on the continent. He's running out of English clubs anyway!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I agree with the first part and if I wasn't so prejudiced I'd possibly agree with the last part too! I thought Lampard was always vastly overrated pre-Mourinho but credit where it's due, he's been a really important player for Chelsea and his goals have been crucial. Lampard certainly has worked extremely hard on his game & on his condition. By all accounts he's a superb trainer who is very dedicated to hard work on technique etc. You can't knock that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
I do think that Lampard & Reid are very different types of player though. I maintain that if Lampard was in midfield for, say, Middlesbrough, he'd be far less influential. He certainly benefits from being surrounded by quality.
Or England. Same player, same position (more or less). Far less effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Not so much comparing playing styles, more advocating the the whole package that is Lampard. As mentioned, his dedication to technique & training (I'd say he's gonna balloon when he retires too, the puddin). But there's also the ability to overcome adversity from the media and the terraces. I think he's over rated too but I like him as a player to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Dude.. The guy is a quality footballer but is clearly over weight. There's no to ways about it. There's few better with the ball at their feet.His weaknesses lie in where he or we do not have the ball, and I can only speculate but I believe his all round game would benifit from getting in better shape. His tackling is dyer. He's a liability in the last 20 minutes of games, esp in a 4 man midfield. I'd question his sharpness but he does things in posession to counter that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
So you're basically putting it down to laziness. I'm not so sure, some guys are just built differently to others and find it hard to shake off the extra few pounds. I agree he looks out of shape but I don't think his performaces reflect that, last 20mins or otherwise. I thought he was excellent against Arsenal a few weeks back when he played a full 90mins and he's hardly played since.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
My main question really was why u chose Lamps as the role model? I don't particularly disagree I was just wondering why Lamps? has he done something extra special that I don't know about?
I think the way he turned around the fat frank jibes and became a very professional and player known for his fitness.
Fair enough but he wasn't exactly fat in the first place, and if there wasn't such a nice ring to it I'm not sure he would have ever been called Fat Frank at all. As far as I'm concerned he's a really good pro and top player in the position he plays but a source of inspiration to other professionals, I think that's stretchin it a bit. I would be more inclined to take inspiration from guys like Woodgate, who's career looked over at one stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I think if we're looking at role models, we've got our own Richard Dunne to look at.
Once called the Honey Monster, now he's just A Monster, one who has been our rock at the back since Cunningham retired.
But on Reid specifically, I honestly think he's just stocky.
Some people aren't natural athletes, no matter how hard they try to lose weight through exercise or dieting, while other people are chiseled from stone with the bare minimum of exercise.
I'm sure you know of people who fit both descriptions.
Good player, but he has his limitations off the ball (not as limited as Trap or some people think however!).
I think he actually would be well suited to the Spanish league. People like Riquelme run games without running.... Reid has great control and vision, but the premiership is hardly the place for him. The pace alone is too much..Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
I'm surprised that Keane hasn't improved Reid's fitness, I am NOT saying Reid is not fit but he is carrying extra weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Keane says Irish players need to improve fitness:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7743179.stm
Keane has made it clear this week that he does not believe a top-flight midfield can support a playmaker who does not offer a physical presence and Reid seems to have accepted the fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/spo...r___s_demands/
Some guys like yer average Joe down in Jackie Skellys have trouble shaking it off. Professional footballers are given top notch dieticians(possibly spelling error), doctors and coaches whos job it is to whip them into shape. Thye have no excuse not to be "shaking it off", Andy Reid is clearly not sticking to the plan and he's wasting away the possible talent he has because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
Love the irony!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by mackannovic
He's not fat, he's just stocky. Criticizing Andy Reid for his body type is like criticizing Crouch for being too tall.
Andy has his limitations, but he's still a hell of a footballer if you utilize him correctly.
Andy Reid is over weight.. He's a good footballer, but is over weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
I think it's time we calculate Andy Reid's BMI.
What's his height and current weight?
According to this - http://www.football.co.uk/sunderland...id_55215.shtml - he's 5"7 and 11st 8lbs, which is 162 pounds
Plug it in to the BMI Calculator at http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/ and it gives a BMI of 25.4, which is overweight.
However, people who exercise regularly, and have a higher muscle mass can also have a BMI which classifies them as overweight. A friend of mine is a body builder, his BMI is more than 30, which puts him in the obese category.
Anyone who says Reid isn't overweight is in denial!
There's a simple visual test: almost all elite quality athletes have hollow cheeks (facial, before any smart arses get on my case) illustrating low body fat levels. I'm afraid our Andy fails this test miserably!
Poor performance from Reid on sat, however having said that all of the Sunderland team were woeful.
All the rugby lads would fail the BMI test. I'm 6 4" and around 16 stone and would be classified as being overweight - if I lost a stone I'd look like Peter Crouch!!!!
Andy Reid is a little on the large size but he has always carried a bit of excess weight since his forest days. It's not as if he's just discovered cream cakes and Guinness.
Perhaps Andy should grow a beard like his Boss!!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88