That's what happens when a whole club is behind entry into the LOI, not a few lads helping their poor buddy on the committee out, who ignore the protests of the membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
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That's what happens when a whole club is behind entry into the LOI, not a few lads helping their poor buddy on the committee out, who ignore the protests of the membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
What you talking about Willis?Quote:
Originally Posted by GCdfc
Considering that Turners Cross is a lovely ground and Cork's marketing campaign is so good that it should be in a Forbes top ten is it worth the expenditure and effort considering Dundalk who have been weak with marketing yet there isnt a huge difference in attendance averages at the half way point. Crok have added about 100 to their average and Dundalk 700. Both being top 2 last season and so far this season in the league table. The football product at Oriel is arguably speaking for its self but Oriel isnt conducive to attracting the floating fan or barstooler.
Shamrock Rover are challanging for the title this season yet there has been a fall in average as the novelty factor of Tallaght has worn off to the hardcore support in averages terms but have added the guts of 1000 to this seasons average (dont know what they do in marketing terms).
Sligo's average is good in LoI terms again with great facilities but are struggling onfield losing about 1300 off their average from the championship season. A potential relegations season hasnt seen their crowds collapse and still higher than Pat's league winning season.
Bohs have seen an improvement with their on field performances and added about 400.
Galway isnt bad for a new club but i'd have expected a higher average due to the return of a united Galway club, newly promoted and not relegation fodder.
Harps promotion push has doubled their average and very impressive from Cabinteely so far again in relative term for LoI.
Considering all this, the much criticised lack of clubs getting out and marketing themselves the above would indicate why clubs dont see it as worth spending limited money without any obvious return. I'm nor talking abut a FAI or league led national ad campaign which may at least marginally increase average support across the leagues...maybe. Any thoughts? I was going to do percentages but couldnt be that bothered although this is the stuff of summer break boredom I suppose! The roughly 600 in the difference between Dundalk's and Cork's average attendance at say €15 entry is €9k, I doubt an extensive advertisment, billboards, bus stops, flyer drops etc could be done for 9 grand...I am shooting in the dark though as I wouldnt have much idea what these things would cost over a season.
Cork - 3,826
Dundalk - 3,215
Rovers - 3,148
Bohs - 1,846
Sligo - 1,797
The attendance figures in Cork have been over-hyped. For a city of it's size, an average of 3,826 is nothing special.
Very interesting observations Nesta. A LoI club can't justify spending big on marketing. However social media may give an opportunity to do a good campaign on the cheap, if you could get people with good skills/creativity to volunteer for the club. Paying an agency/company to do marketing/promotion work will not give a positive return.
Only been to Cabinteely once for a game, so no expert, but got a good impression of the club that night. Their crowds very impressive so far, fair play.
The influence of facilities on attendance figures in Irish soccer I think is exaggerated.
You'll get no argument from me in that. But in reality the closer you live to the ground the more likely you are to go to games. People living in Mayfield would be far less likely to attend than people from Ballyphehane. It's just the way it is. We don't have the transport infrastructure to move/attract large numbers of people effectively in urban areas. Not to say that's the main issue, the culture just isn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Who has been hyping the Cork's average attendances ? Apart from our manager having a cut off the Dublin clubs - I haven't seen anything else. Granted there was a lot of praise regarding the Dundalk game itself - but that was a great occasion in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Dundalk have excellent crowds in fairness to them, no doubt driven on by success and the quality of football. Our crowds have been great I think - in the context that last seasons average was higher than 05 and this season looks like it may exceed it if we stay in the title race.
Would I be right in saying though, GAA and Rugby is probably far bigger in Cork than football, and there'd be the traditional scoffing at senior football from those involved with the MSL?
Is that not every county in Ireland though?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Cork is a GAA town.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Not really. There's a lot of parts of Ireland that aren't largely GAA or Rugby. Inishowen, top of Donegal, is thriving in junior soccer, they don't have the same attraction to GAA or Rugby at all. Inishowen League just won the Oscar Traynor cup, facilities up there are top class and used by the likes of Derry and even Harps during pre-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Some other counties have stronger followings for GAA and Rugby than others, while the people of Dundalk have proven that you can attract a good support, a town of less than 40,000 people attracting 3,500 to their games while the GAA team are crap, and there's not the same following for Rugby there that I know of at all.
Some areas are impossible to compete with GAA and Rugby, while in other areas, there's a large portion of people who simply don't look at either.
Dundalk is a football town. While GAA and rugby have a presence, football is the major sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
While an average of over 3,000 is good, many (including the manager) would argue that it should be much higher.
Sligo is definitely a football town too.
Dublin clearly is, but that doesn't translate to LOI fans of course
You're far outstripping the European average, so I would think not.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
But as a whole Donegal is a Gaelic football county. Dublin LOI attendances clearly show this rubbish that it's a football county to be nonsense, it's a GAA county.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
While it's not easy to see from the outside, Donegal and Inishowen are practically two different counties.
Derry, Dundalk and Sligo seem to be more football orientated than GAA or Rugby. With the exception of a couple of pockets as mention like Innishowen its a rarerity here.
Even in the North, rugby, cricket and GAA take precidence. Only really Portadown that seems to have a significant football dominance.
I'd go as far to say Sligo's strong attendances for a town of its size are in part to it being traditionally poor at both GAA codes and the province being the weakest of the 4 at rugby and its headquarters also based far away in Galway.
How many fans would Sligo GAA or Louth GAA get on average at their games?
That's if you're counting people who go to games. Which is a pretty ****e indicator of itQuote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
More people play football, and watch football than GAA and rugby combined in Dublin. They just all watch Man U, Liverpool etc and not LOI
Louth would be lucky to get 1,000 to 2,000 at league games. The capacity of the ground in Drogheda is only 3,500.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
There is little doubt that football is the number one sport in Dublin, As Dodge says, it doesn't translate into attendances at LOI games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Given the demographic profile of Ireland and Dublin being the only place that has good transport links to all other parts of Ireland, this is a huge issue for the league.
As compared to rural areas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar
This has echos of the infamous "no direct bus to Dalymount" post
Came across this site worldfootball.net. Numbers seem pretty accurate, no attendance numbers on the first division though.
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Thank God for away fans, our home attendance is crap. Hopefully we can push on after the break with our new supporters club advertisingQuote:
Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc
Thats what my original post was getting at - whether advertisment is worth the expenditure. Running transport from key points in the area to the ground could be developed. I'd like to see Dundalk at the point where a regular bus runs from the likes of Carrickmacross and other hinterland spots beyond the current traditional areas. I'd reckon that would have a greater impact than an advertisment campaign assuming that such transport could become established match nights. Supporters club branches could play a role.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Harps have tried similar things to that bus idea on several occasions and it has never taken off unfortunately.
If it took off, it wouldn't be a bus. Are you confusing 'bus' and 'spaceship' by any chance?
Yeh very true. Louth played in Drogheda in the champ V Westmeath a few weeks ago and there wasnt 2500 at it. Next year in Div 4, Won't be 500 at some league games.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Dundalk has 6 Gaelic teams not counting Haggardstowm, Dromiskin, KnoKnockbridge etc were we get decent following from. This year on at least 3 occasions, their was a full round of GAA matches on the same night as Oriel and were still averaging over 3000.
Apart from McCafferys season (which was still decent) we have got good crowds the last 10 years, incl div 1
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Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc
I'd love to know where they got their figures. Most of the teams are the same figure I have, but a few of them are different.
GAA yes, rugby definitely not and I'm a big rugby fan as well. Not sure about the MSL scene really. Not that familiar with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Richard Branson is waiting in the wings...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
When you think that there are 500,000 people registered to play football in this county afaik. And add to that the people who view it regularly. Well the attendances for LOI games are horrific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Was it ERSI who did a survey/report on participation in sport in Ireland year or two ago? Soccer I think came out on top, and John Delaney has been boasting about it a bit since. Unlikely to have been studies done going back to the foundation of the state, but it would have been nice to know what the trends are; has soccer always been most popular? how is GAA, Rugby doing from say from the 1960's onwards. Wonder has any college/academic done work in this area?
Maybe off topic, but with the women's world cup on at present, do folks on here notice any increase in female fans at LoI games?
Did the Stephanie Roache factor have any effect? It seems from feedback Gareth of extratime.ie got, there was no increase in crowds at women national league games. At championship GAA matches upwards of 30% of the crowd is female, much less during national league, and Rugby due to its elite nature has always attracted a fairly high percentage of women to its games.
Yes, I have noticed a significant increase in comely maidens at matches in The Showgies. Mind you, it may have something to do with the fact that the crap on the field is so bad, I have begun passing the time studying the crowd (what there is left of it).
Plenty of women in Oriel. The Shedsidearmy even gave a group of 10-15 girls who go to away games with them. All around 18-25, fair play to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
2714 at Oriel tonight.
1,644 in Edp about 200 rovers fans. Should have got something out of the game but yet again our defending at set pieces cost us..
Decent numbers from Rovers considering a lot sacrificed the trip to Galway for Luxembourg.
You going CD? Looks like it will be fun in the sun!
I wish - I can barely afford a trip out of Dublin right now. Luxembourg's loss I'm sure you'll agree :)