If Munster hadn't been playing right beforehand, I think this would have been much higher. Almost glad of it though, since it wasn't exactly attractive stuff on offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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If Munster hadn't been playing right beforehand, I think this would have been much higher. Almost glad of it though, since it wasn't exactly attractive stuff on offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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Originally Posted by MariborKev
Ata loss to understand thon ^^^
Dude,it's 10 euro into a Dundalk match.How pro active do you wont us to be.Let everyone in for nothing? (about 9 quid gbSTG pounds) Tell us oh great mind how you would selll that match to feckers who will watch it on for free on TV?
Late night by any chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
No,why?Quote:
Originally Posted by fionnsci
One shot Fionnsci,slabberer pats fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by fionnsci
Bullit, if you were less rude you might be able to elicit a proper answer. TV coverage shouldn't affect attendance by 25%, and certainly shouldn't make such a dent in revenue for the match. There are ways to replace or boost the income, though it does take working a bit more ot.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
2,329 in The Showgrounds
Any idea of the attendance last night? For Salthill there seemed to be a decent crowd in and I'd guess around 30 in section O ...
Overall would I be way off in saying 300+?
Thats me told *roll eyes*Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
How would you replace the revenue spud.Shoot the ideas out m a t e ;)
Yes over the tannoy half way through the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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Originally Posted by bullit
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Originally Posted by bullit
I said it tongue in cheek because you commented very early in the morning (late at night). That and it was pretty nonsensical and obnoxious just like your subsequent comment to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Of course it shouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Gates should be higher. Stay at homes for TV should be lower.
But the numbers sure indicate that TV (or some other factors) knocked at least that percentage off the gate last Friday.
Do you know these mysterious ways you speak about? Do you think we would have the intellectual ability to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Spill Spud Spill
would agree with you on that outspoken the clubhouse was packed like the previous week at half time!Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Would have thought there was more there!
Clubs don't have any leverage to be demanding money for games. As soon as they did, RTE would rightly point out they could easily put on the rugby instead and get far more viewers. I wonder to what extent is sponsorship and advertising revenue boosted by TV coverage, and how much are clubs able to or prepared to plan for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Week 8:
PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 1,703 (1,496; 1,488; 1,835; 2,366; 1,993; 1,924; 1,463; 1,976)
Bray - 813 (965; 1,121; 952; 1,169; 1,106; 1,200; 1,027; 1,550)
Cork - 2,361 (2,786; 2,128 FD; 1,693 FD; 2,681; 3,142; 2,897; 2,941; 3,644)
Derry - 1,577 (1,460; 2,135; 1,965 FD; 2,436; 3,363; 2,614; 3,229; 2,698)
Drogheda - 723 (977; 811; 859; 1,106; 1,631; 1,919; 1,751; 1,682)
Dundalk - 1,898 (949; 1,355; 1,877; 2,371; 1,459 FD; 1,406 FD; 1,078 FD; 474 FD)
Limerick - 2,473 (734 FD; 569 FD; 598 FD; 429 FD; 517 FD; 670 FD; 364 FD; 669 FD)
Pat's - 1,417 (1,474; 1,346; 1,756; 1,631; 1,795; 1,910; 1,342; 1,599)
Rovers - 3,200 (3,127; 3,779; 3,794; 3,611; 1,468; 1,715; 1,089 FD; 1,539)
Shels - 1,295 (1,187; 781 FD; 737 FD; 972 FD; 986 FD; 888 FD; 1,690; 1,949)
Sligo - 2,541 (3,007; 2,103; 1,807; 1,756; 1,960; 1,448; 1,806; 1,794 FD)
UCD - 539 (506; 558; 610; 272 FD; 546; 663; 546; 653; 306 FD)
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 437 (271; 200; 354; 462; 387; 670; 421; 316)
Cobh - 614 (2008 - 1,122 PD; 681; 368; 403; 240)
Harps - 664 (429; 433; 644; 480; 1,607 PD; 1,164; 428; 1,347 PD; 1,106) -
Longford - 385 (365; 315; 230; 260; 406; 885 PD; 681 PD; 1,004 PD)
Mervue - 289 (243; 349; 123; 166)
Salthill Devon - 113 (182; 125; 122)
Waterford - 439 (453; 466; 619; 434; 670; 1,181 PD; 915 PD; 1,513 PD)
Wexford - 246 (302; 216; 343; 494; 767; 810)
PREMIER AVERAGE: 1,731 (1,630; 1,547; 1,512; 2,010; 1,746; 1,687; 1,535; 1,759)
FIRST DIVISION AVERAGE: 400 (372; 578; 682; 417; 641; 722; 570; 520)
OVERALL AVERAGE: 1,065 (1,101; 1,110; 1,095; 1,175; 1,221; 1,235; 1,070; 1,195)
TOTAL WEEKLY ATTENDANCE: 9,867
OVERALL ATTENDANCE: 113,171
Ezekial, I don't disagree with you regarding how there is an influence from tv, or other reasons, it's just too easy to blame one cause for it, especially as the fans have been out in force this year and there is a new energy about the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
On the other point, 2 years ago I made the mistake of offering to help the club out of loyalty. I ended up being embarrassed by what went on. I know it's a new crew (mostly) in there, especially with Andy and Paul in charge (from personal experience they're 2 of the best guys about and massively genuine), though what this trip home has thought me is that (from Friday night at UCD and tonight at Richmond) there is a lot for the LOI clubs to do and I don't see it changing any time soon. It makes Russia look like a cake walk (tongue in cheek of course).
There is generally no shortage of good ideas and good intentions at LOI clubs. What is severely lacking is people to help out and finance to make things happen.
At Harps we always have brilliant people involved, but never enough of them.
I'm now 100% convinced that Pats only count people who pay on the night (ie they don't include season tickets, guests etc like they should do). Have a look at the Pats highlights tonight. That stand holds 1,900 and was far more than 3/4 full. There was another 3-400 on the Camac side. I'm usually very conservative with estimates but there's absolutely no way the announced crowd was right
Your Overall average is wrong there Nigel.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Prem average and Div 1 average both up but overall down. I make it 90 LoI matches played this season (58 in Prem and 32 in Div 1) so Overall average should be 1257.
This sounds similar to what Dundalk do, they only count paying in tickets on the night, but then add back in the ST holders figure. Naturally not all of the ST people will go to every game, but it will even out over the season and I think this is a very reasonable way to arrive at the figure that is reported. Also you have to take into account the usual small figure who are neither paying in or ST, like sponsors, other free, guests and media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It does sound like Pats are simply not including they ST figure, so can you assume all future crowds at RP should be the figure announced + whatever your ST figure is?
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Originally Posted by Spudulika
Not for the first time, I am perplexed by your reply!
You said this originally-
I ask you to tell us what these "ways" are in your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Maybe you were just spoofing or these "ways" are highly confidential commercial secrets!
It's definitely something like that. I'm always about 2/300 off with my estimates in Richmond. There is no way there was only 1,700 at the Drogs game and only 1,600 at the Sligo game. I was convinced one of our turnstyle clickers weren't working but your way sounds more plausibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Thomond had automatic ticket scanners in operation against Shels by the way, which should help with some iffy (or non-existent) attendance announcements in future.
There's no turnstile for the away section. Just walk in the big gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
ahem.....after you buy a ticket (which might even be numbered)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
All fans are supposed to eb ticketed but I know the guest list isn't always. Season tickets (for Pats) have removable tickets for each game so it shouldn't be a problem. I do think that paid tickets are counted to reconcile cash and that's all they care about.
Rovers have had tickets scans since they moved to Tallaght but they refuse to announce official attendances. For their own reasons I assume
Yeah, inclined to agree. The official figures have been very much on the low side this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Personally I think we have a fall off in attendance acrross the whole league from the months of May till August. Whether it is the bright evenings, people saving for holidays, on holidays or returning from holidays, or a general reduction in peoples disposable income, you notice a drop off in the grounds from the start of the season.
I also believe that the bright evenings negatively affects the athmosphere and that may in effect reduce the footfall that grace our grounds over the spring/summer season. Floodlit games imo offer a better ambiance, maybe it is the tribal animal in us all.
Would a move to Winter football be the magic bullet? Probably not and the the cold and wet would be the very reasons that attendances would reduce over the months of late october to January.
Personally i thought in oriel there was 1400 to 1500 but that was my opinion.
For clubs to increase the overall attendences of the league i feel that clubs need to understand the trends/factors of the attendances and this needs to be done in 2 ways by the clubs improving what they can do individually, and as a league as a whole. I fear that the majority of clubs views attendances in a solitary fashion and on a club by club basis but it is probably more interlinked to each clubs more that they realise. In my eyes the major caveat to the league improving is that not only do so many clubs lack a clear and coherent plan but there is not an overall vision by the powers that be on how they would like to see the league run and their objectives and goals for the league in 2 years or even 5 years time.
lol if their is then it must be better guarded than the last secret of fatima.
Usually most off the drop off is because people go into the season optimistic and if after a few games its not going how they imagined they start to pick and choose the matches they do attend. People are just too fickle.
Jaysus,sorry if i offended you.Not like me to be offending people.Again realy, realy,realy,realy sorry for any offense caused.Quote:
Originally Posted by fionnsci
Prove it by running on the pitch at the next Dundalk game waving an umbrella.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
Microsoft Excel tells me it's 1065. I trust the mathematics of a computer. There were less teams last season, which makes last seasons average higher.
joke right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Still waiting for this silver bullet solution you and Maribov have?
That's Rovers fans who wave umbrellas during games...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
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Originally Posted by Dillonman
ExtraTime estimates 300 at Bray vs Cork City.
I think that's being generous! The away crowd were a good chunk of the overall attendance, and there weren't that many of us either.
At what point did I say it was a silver bullet?Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
I merely questioned if LOI clubs had a proper assessment of the media value of their exposure and were they including this in negotiations with sponsors, in order to offset the loss of revenue from falling gates due to TV against sponsorship values.
I'm not exactly to sure who you support so excuse me if I didn't get it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin