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13/05/2009, 10:06 AM
SunderlandBohs

[quote=tetsujin1979;1159339]Nope, he's been praised quite a bit on the site. Personally, I think his time in England (released by Man City and Swansea) have coloured my opinions of him, but I'm open minded enough to accept that if enough people on the site think he's that good, then he's worth a look. Supple hasn't played for Falkirk in over a year. Hereford are in League 1. Get your facts right before you go on a rant.

Hereford Utd were relagated to L2 this season after one season in L1. Supple didn't play much in Falkirk anyway!! So he's warming the bench at 'Roy Keane's Ipswich Town' instead. The point I was making is people will trip over themselves to talk about player playing in reserve teams or L1 or L2 clubs in England or a SPL side. But when someone menitions a LOI player he's instantly not good enough for the national side.
13/05/2009, 10:11 AM
shaneker

Can someone give me a shout when this bo**ocks is finished so I can get back to keeping tabs on a very promising looking player who I haven't been able to see much of?

Thanks.
13/05/2009, 10:18 AM
youngirish

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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

Hereford Utd were relagated to L2 this season after one season in L1. Supple didn't play much in Falkirk anyway!! So he's warming the bench at 'Roy Keane's Ipswich Town' instead. The point I was making is people will trip over themselves to talk about player playing in reserve teams or L1 or L2 clubs in England or a SPL side. But when someone menitions a LOI player he's instantly not good enough for the national side.

Not true. I think people get more excited about decent young players as the statistics show they are far more likely to improve than players in their mid twenties and this opinion is entirely justified and logical imo as nearly all our top players (Finnan, Keane, Duff, Dunne) have played in league 1 or the championship earlier in their careers often not setting the world alight while there.
13/05/2009, 10:41 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by youngirish

as nearly all our top players (Finnan, Keane, Duff, Dunne) have played in league 1 or the championship earlier in their careers often not setting the world alight while there.

Only Finnan played lower than Championship and Dunne never played outside the Premier League. Duff played a couple of season in the championship but had been a regular (and highly touted player) in the Premier League for two years before hand. keane too was very highly regarded when he started with Wolves
13/05/2009, 10:55 AM
youngirish

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Only Finnan played lower than Championship and Dunne never played outside the Premier League. Duff played a couple of season in the championship but had been a regular (and highly touted player) in the Premier League for two years before hand. keane too was very highly regarded when he started with Wolves

Dunne played in the Championship with Man City and didn't set the world alight.

Duff also wasn't particularly brilliant in the relegation year at Blackburn or their first season in the Championship. There was no guarantee he was going to be a top class player. Kevin Kilbane was even keeping him out of the Ireland team.
13/05/2009, 11:01 AM
NeilMcD

The way I see it is, Sunderland Bohs reads the forum and only sees people ravin on about lower league players playing in England and not LOI players. Youngirish reads the forum and only sees people raving about LOI players. I think lads you should swap which posts you are reading and we will all be happy.
13/05/2009, 11:20 AM
republicofwhite

This LOI blind patriotism thing is completely infuriating. I haven't nailed my colours to either mast but in fairness, a year on after Westwood's initial call up ahead of Murphy, the argument is actually VERY clearcut. Westwood was apparently a raw and exciting talent at Carlisle(incredible shot stopper for one) who has rapidly improved his game at quite a step up in the Championship, and indeed as someone has noted was voted into the Championship team of the season. Week after week in the Observer fans(Coventry and their opposition) are raving about his ability and how he is constantly improving and getting MOM's. Added to this he is testing himself against much better opposition and is obviously quite busy for an average Coventry side. Spurs were heavily linked with him along with other Premiership sides, he's easily regarded as one of the top Championship goalkeepers, and is still very young Keeper wise, which makes his rapid progress all the more exciting. In contrast, Murphy(no matter how good he is) is in a comfort zone for Bohs, not getting tested to the same extent or playing against teams of a higher calibre week in week out. Thats not up for debate. If he wants to progress and contest for a squad place, he needs to grow a pair and move to level where he will be tested more, and given the appropriate scope to develop and compete with Westwood. I'm sure he has the ability, just being in a comfort zone will hinder that development. That should be end of story, now it should be back to Keith Fahey, how quality he is and hopefully how is cultured style will seamlessly adapt to the Premiership!
13/05/2009, 12:32 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Dunne played in the Championship with Man City and didn't set the world alight

Keegan praised him to the hilt in the Championship (then Division One) on more than one occasion said he was the best defender in the division
13/05/2009, 12:38 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Only Finnan played lower than Championship and Dunne never played outside the Premier League. Duff played a couple of season in the championship but had been a regular (and highly touted player) in the Premier League for two years before hand. keane too was very highly regarded when he started with Wolves

Stephen Hunt played in League One with Brentford, Kilbane played there with Preston, Whelan played there with Sheffield Wednesday, Andrews spent 2 seasons in League 2, Keogh was in League 1 with Scunthorpe.
All playing Premiership football now, well Keogh will be next season.
13/05/2009, 12:42 PM
Dodge

Yeah, sorry forgot that Man City were relegated around then...
13/05/2009, 1:01 PM
paul_oshea

tut tut :rolleyes: :p
13/05/2009, 1:07 PM
youngirish

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Stephen Hunt played in League One with Brentford, Kilbane played there with Preston, Whelan played there with Sheffield Wednesday, Andrews spent 2 seasons in League 2, Keogh was in League 1 with Scunthorpe.
All playing Premiership football now, well Keogh will be next season.

I think Dodge was referring to the top quality players I mentioned and not the likes of the middling players above. Kilbane should probably still be playing in League 1 if there was any justice.
13/05/2009, 1:14 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I think Dodge was referring to the top quality players I mentioned and not the likes of the middling players above.

I was
13/05/2009, 4:39 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I think Dodge was referring to the top quality players I mentioned and not the likes of the middling players above. Kilbane should probably still be playing in League 1 if there was any justice.

You seem to think that talent is the only skill required to be a top level professional footballer.
13/05/2009, 4:49 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by shaneker

Can someone give me a shout when this bo**ocks is finished so I can get back to keeping tabs on a very promising looking player who I haven't been able to see much of?

Thanks.

Ha ha I don't think I have seem a more off topic thread in my life, it has even began to drift off the LOI thread it had become :D
It should be renamed "Keith Fahey, LOI and and number of miscellaneous topics" with a line struck through Keith Fahey!!
I have no idea what it is about at the moment!
13/05/2009, 5:04 PM
NeilMcD

Its about what ever you want it to be about. Irish conversations have a habit of coming in and out of topic.
13/05/2009, 5:50 PM
Stuttgart88

Can anyone think of a link between Keith Fahey and Saipan?
13/05/2009, 5:53 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Football
13/05/2009, 5:57 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Can anyone think of a link between Keith Fahey and Saipan?

The obvious one being Roy Kean played in the LOI, so obviously that marks Fahey down as a fabulous leader and all round troublemaker and quitter
13/05/2009, 8:00 PM
Billsthoughts

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

The way I see it is, Sunderland Bohs reads the forum and only sees people ravin on about lower league players playing in England and not LOI players. Youngirish reads the forum and only sees people raving about LOI players. I think lads you should swap which posts you are reading and we will all be happy.

better still you could just pm them your thoughts.
13/05/2009, 8:04 PM
NeilMcD

and likewise.
13/05/2009, 9:48 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Can anyone think of a link between Keith Fahey and Saipan?

Keith Fahey plays for Birmingham City
Birmingham City are based in Birmingham
Birmingham is also the hometown of Aston Villa
Aston Villa is a former club of Steve Staunton
Steve Staunton captained Ireland at the 2002 World Cup
2002 was the 18 anniversary of the release of Footloose
Footloose starred Kevin Bacon!

7 steps to Kevin Bacon! No wait, what was the question again?
13/05/2009, 11:01 PM
geysir

How about one step to Saipan.

Keith Andrews trained in Inchicore.
Both places are kips.
13/05/2009, 11:04 PM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Can anyone think of a link between Keith Fahey and Saipan?

Team captain fell out with manager
- Keane/McCarthy in Saipan
- Fahey/Doolin at Drogheda in 2006
14/05/2009, 8:21 AM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by geysir

how about one step to saipan.

Keith andrews trained in inchicore.
Both places are kips.

lol :d
15/05/2009, 12:12 PM
hula4

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Originally Posted by geysir

How about one step to Saipan.

Keith Andrews trained in Inchicore.
Both places are kips.

dont remember keith andrews training in inchicore, think keith fahey did though
18/05/2009, 9:51 PM
Billsthoughts

has trapped picked irelands most skillfull footballer yet???
18/05/2009, 9:58 PM
MeathDrog

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

has trapped picked irelands most skillfull footballer yet???

Glen Fitzpatrick should get a call up soon. ;)
20/05/2009, 6:46 AM
Claret Murph

I see the great Liam Millar has beeen let go from QPR and yet KF can't get into the squad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20/05/2009, 7:32 AM
Stuttgart88

McCann, McCarthy, Garvan, O'Toole & Quinn could all feel similarly aggrieved. The case to pick Fahey over any of these isn't that compelling.
20/05/2009, 10:41 PM
TonyD

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

in fairness neil, if he can be that fickle about supporting his country then its all the better he doesn't.

Nothing fickle about it. I've grown sick of the whole thing over the last few years and I make no apology for it. If you think it's better that I don't support Ireland, then I agree. Some of the attitudes expressed here (Not neccessarily yours btw) are one of the things that turned me off, if some people find me "objectionable" because of that, too bad. I'll just have to cry myself to sleep. And let me just state again, I know, as most LOI fans do I'm sure, that the players in the LOI are here because they didn't/couldn't make it in England. I know that they are not as good as the players in the International squad. We don't live in some sort of bubble you know. I watch some English football, some champions league, and yes, Irish internationals on TV. None of this has any bearing on which team I support. I take the old fashioned view. Proper supporters support their local team. I genuinely don't understand someone living in Dublin, Cork, Mayo or Derry who can refer to Man U, Liverpool, or Celtic as "we" and "us" with a straight face. When that attitude turns to hostility against local teams and their supporters then I get rightly peed off. Old ground, old debate, and off topic, I know. But there you go. And one last question. Do people not support the League of Ireland because it's crap, or is the league of Ireland crap because people don't support it ? See the connection ?
21/05/2009, 1:17 AM
danonion

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Proper supporters support their local team.

Yawn.

What team should people from Mayo support?
21/05/2009, 1:26 AM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Proper supporters support their local team.

So I should support the Chicago Fire and the US? I'd rather give up watching footy all together than support any MLS team or the US.
21/05/2009, 2:44 AM
Sheridan

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Originally Posted by danonion

Yawn.

Yeah, the truth can be pretty boring, can't it?

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What team should people from Mayo support?

That's easy, Manchester United!
21/05/2009, 4:26 AM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Can anyone think of a link between Keith Fahey and Saipan?

Both produced humongous off-topic threads :D
21/05/2009, 7:42 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Proper supporters support their local team. I genuinely don't understand someone living in Dublin, Cork, Mayo or Derry who can refer to Man U, Liverpool, or Celtic as "we" and "us" with a straight face.

Tony, the vast majority of people did not make an adult decision on which club they want to support. By the time they reached their adult years almost all of us had already grown an affinity for a team. About 90% of LOI fans support their clubs because they are from the local area (Inchicore, Phibsboro, etc.), they were brought to games at a young age by family or friends, or the club is representing their town or city. There's not many of you that decided at the age of 25 that we should all be supporting an Irish team and then grew a love for a certain club.

I wish people would cop on to that. You can't tell a 10 year old why he shouldn't be supporting Man Utd and that's the age we all start supporting these clubs. And that's never going to change. I love Celtic now and I wouldn't dream about giving them up. It'd be like giving up the drink. It's not going to happen.
21/05/2009, 8:26 AM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Yeah, the truth can be pretty boring, can't it?
That's easy, Manchester United!

Do you ever contribute anything meaningful?
21/05/2009, 8:32 AM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Nothing fickle about it. I've grown sick of the whole thing over the last few years and I make no apology for it. If you think it's better that I don't support Ireland, then I agree. Some of the attitudes expressed here (Not neccessarily yours btw) are one of the things that turned me off, if some people find me "objectionable" because of that, too bad. I'll just have to cry myself to sleep. And let me just state again, I know, as most LOI fans do I'm sure, that the players in the LOI are here because they didn't/couldn't make it in England. I know that they are not as good as the players in the International squad. We don't live in some sort of bubble you know. I watch some English football, some champions league, and yes, Irish internationals on TV. None of this has any bearing on which team I support. I take the old fashioned view. Proper supporters support their local team. I genuinely don't understand someone living in Dublin, Cork, Mayo or Derry who can refer to Man U, Liverpool, or Celtic as "we" and "us" with a straight face. When that attitude turns to hostility against local teams and their supporters then I get rightly peed off. Old ground, old debate, and off topic, I know. But there you go. And one last question. Do people not support the League of Ireland because it's crap, or is the league of Ireland crap because people don't support it ? See the connection ?

Tony, the local junior club at home played in a final in terryland there a couple of weeks ago(which they won :D), its always been a strong soccer town, but also strong GAA as well. Anyway, 700 from home were at the game(as oppossed to the "local" team who only had about 300, even though only 2 miles away, probably galway united supporters ;) ) supporting their local side, how many of them support Man United? Id say a lot, I know for sure even more support celtic(their own celtic as well as glasgow celtic :) ), but when it comes to the cruch they support THEIR LOCAL SOCCER club. Point being as Ive pointed out to so many LOI fans(most who seem to be supporters of Dublin clubs, for some reason?!) we do support our local clubs, unfortunately for you our local clubs are generally junior clubs, not LOI clubs some 45 miles away......not a ten minute bus ride on the 78a or the 19a....
21/05/2009, 8:37 AM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

McCann, McCarthy, Garvan, O'Toole & Quinn could all feel similarly aggrieved. The case to pick Fahey over any of these isn't that compelling.

Definitely. Fahey's a good bit down the pecking order. I think it just shows the options we have in centre mid at the moment though- he'd have been damn close to the squad a couple of seasons ago.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Do you ever contribute anything meaningful?

No.
21/05/2009, 8:43 AM
Rory H

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Originally Posted by danonion

Yawn.

What team should people from Mayo support?

Castlebar Celtic or Sligo Rovers?

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