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If Everton - who are desperate for goals - are getting rid of Cannon then, from their perspective, he is behind at least two or three dozen strikers who are eligible for the English team. If he wants to play international football (and potentially go to tournaments) then he'd be an idiot not to declare for Ireland - and even then its unlikely he would be anything like an automatic choice, he'd just have less competition.
Sadly, right now it's more a case of if he wants to play international football (and still have his summers off) then he'd be an idiot not to declare for Ireland...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Well if he declares for England - unless he improves pretty spectacularly - he will have every summer off for the rest of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
This. He is an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
I think he's just English, which to be fair he is, born there raised there in their football culture by ( as I understand it ) parents born there too. The odds are long on an England career but its telling where his heart is that that long shot chance is sufficient to make him step away from us. We know when we pick these lads what the score is at this stage and we shouldn't be crying too much when English people turn out to be English. Mark Sykes took the odds in a different set of circumstances and missed out on our latest squad, he'd be central to NI but he is Irish so he wanted to play for Ireland. Its the same thing broadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
All that said, we should 100% tell Cannon to pick now, and not hold the door open under the false illusion of dual nationality complexities jargon. We are in a position to do that & it's not being done.
No problem with him.picking england . No problem with him having allegiances to 2 nations. The issue is simply showing disrespect by not mak8ng a devision since JuneQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
He doesn't have allegiances to two nations. He has a career choice luxury afforded to him by ancestry which he has used to leverage himself to where he wants to be - on England's radar.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Grand so. That doesn't stop him making his decision public last June regarding which under 21 side he wants to play forQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
At 20 he is still a kid - and a kid who has been closeted by Everton for the last 10 years. Players who sign at a young age for big clubs in my opinion take a long time to grow up and realise who they are and what they want to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
We are fortunate that Brexit has stopped the flow of young Irish kids to British clubs and more of them are staying at home and learning their trade in the LOI - it will mean they will be a bit more mature when they head off at 18 and have a better chance of not being chewed up and spat out by the system over there. Its the opposite for players born in England where, as a result of the club academies, they are very much cotton-woolled from the outside world and many of them haven't a clue what they are doing even when they hit 20 or 21. The stats are startling about the number of academy players who, when they get dumped, end up so disillusioned with football that they stop playing all together. My daughter-in-law has a brother who spent time at Leeds as a 16-17 year old - didn't make it - spent a short while playing in the LOI first division and now, at 24, doesn't play anymore. He had the talent (like so many others) but didn't have the maturity and had to give up playing so that he could grow up.
It does because it loses him his leverage, his switch renders him just another long odds maybe striker like a bunch of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
That's my whole point of why we should shut that door & stop getting played.
Ah it's more complicated than that I think. I said earlier that he'd likely take a few months to consider it. See how the club form goes the first half of the year and see if he's likely to have something to push for. He doesn't need to announce a change just to keep some internet punters happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
What leverage? Leverage to force us to play him with the seniors or leverage for England to pick him for the 21s? I don't see what it matters to us, he has shown us ongo8ng disrespect by not making a decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
If he didn't have the Ireland option he wouldn't be getting touched up and winked at by England, that leverage. The one him and his people are using.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
If he didn't have the Ireland option he'd already be in the England Under 21 squad. They really don't have that many centre forward options at that age group.
But then we should leave him be regardless of whether he announces he wants to play with us or not. He will still have the option to play for England whenever he wants of we don't pick him. What sort of values are you developing in irish football at all levels if tou allow him to behave in this manner?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
But sure he was always going to be in the mix for an England 8nderv21 striker position they are nearly as weak as us in Central striking roles in that age group. Holding out for that has only got him a Championship move so what's left to be gained? A few caps for the England 21s won't gey him a premier league move unless he scores goals at leicesterQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
We can't really afford to leave him be though. He outperformed every one of our forwards last year bar Ferguson.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Not until very recently did he show that kind of form. Thing is, you & me agree here, he needs to call this. Maybe a few clips of a hurley would settle him, but then again Tom Cannon doesn't know what a hurley is.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
100%, once you turn down a place in a squad you've made a decision in my opinion. He's made his. Move on and wish him the best with his england career.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
There's plenty of evidence from other examples to show that's not necessarily how it always goes though.