Cork AUL 2022/23

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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne

I would like to think the people in the back round of these clubs are being realistic in recognising that the short term success they are enjoying has not been a steady progression, rather a sudden change of something that has suddenly resulted in players who they normally wouldn't have now playing with their club.

The Aul would be making a massive mistake in promoting sides who have not earned it, however strong they are.

Winning promotion dose not just build teams, it builds clubs and it separates hard work and effort from the blow in sides that start in the pub an fall apart in the pub.

I'd rather a league built on its clubs than a league supported by short term teams .

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To be fair Watergrasshill and Cathedral are in two different situations.
Cathedral are up the divisions and were decent but now have added quality but how long can they hold on to the additions?
And can they get more.

Watergrasshill obviously got a shot of players from some where.

They now are a top team no matter what division they plaY out of as has been seen in al their cup runs both in the AUL and the national competitions.

Watergrasshill have a decent underage structure which will allow them to strengthen internally.

These boys will be a decent AUL outfit over the the next 5 years

It is tough to decide what to do.

However, I do feel the short term is massively important to the long term.

It's only a matter of time before a division falls off anyway so best do a reorganisation now.

They way I see it, there's a certain number of clubs who had a good year and were reliable in last year. Then there's your usual teams who plug away hard.

COVID hit things bad too.

How about these? Without any teams dropping out an issue. If they do, put someone else in. Change as well potentially with Knocka and Buttevant mentioned here.

Premier
Coachford
Grattan
Corkbeg
Springfield
City Wadnerers
Village
Grangevale
UCC
Watergrasshill

Premier A
Glenthorn
Temple
Cathedral
Shandon
Donoughmore
Castleview
Killumney
Banteer
Waterloo
Strand

1st
Greenwood
Blackstone
Richmond
Hibernians
And so on
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Originally Posted by Play it out

It is tough to decide what to do.

However, I do feel the short term is massively important to the long term.

It's only a matter of time before a division falls off anyway so best do a reorganisation now.

They way I see it, there's a certain number of clubs who had a good year and were reliable in last year. Then there's your usual teams who plug away hard.

COVID hit things bad too.

How about these? Without any teams dropping out an issue. If they do, put someone else in. Change as well potentially with Knocka and Buttevant mentioned here.

Premier
Coachford
Grattan
Corkbeg
Springfield
City Wadnerers
Village
Grangevale
UCC
Watergrasshill

Premier A
Glenthorn
Temple
Cathedral
Shandon
Donoughmore
Castleview
Killumney
Banteer
Waterloo
Strand

1st
Greenwood
Blackstone
Richmond
Hibernians
And so on
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I wouldn’t think so the 2 best teams this year coachford and cathedral 1of those 2 for team of the year

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Originally Posted by SteveSilvermint

I wouldn’t think so the 2 best teams this year coachford and cathedral 1of those 2 for team of the year

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Have to agree here, Cathedral are very much on track to do a treble, they’ve players there who are excellent and a good all around unit, To just disregard them and say watergrasshill should leap frog over and go straight to premier is not the best of shouts, will be interesting final, that’s if watergrasshill can get past temple on Tuesday no easy task either

It Watergrasshill are what we claim them to be they will have no problem with Temple.

Then a potential show down between Cathedral & Watergrasshill would be great to see

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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne

I would like to think the people in the back round of these clubs are being realistic in recognising that the short term success they are enjoying has not been a steady progression, rather a sudden change of something that has suddenly resulted in players who they normally wouldn't have now playing with their club.

The Aul would be making a massive mistake in promoting sides who have not earned it, however strong they are.

Winning promotion dose not just build teams, it builds clubs and it separates hard work and effort from the blow in sides that start in the pub an fall apart in the pub.

I'd rather a league built on its clubs than a league supported by short term teams .

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While I would agree with alot of what you have said there the standard of football in AUL has been inserious decline over the last 5 years in particular. With the Premier probably seeing the biggest gap.

There needs to be a big shake up with Teams to their ability level and not dropping 3 or 4 leagues so they can hoover up a few cheap league titles along the way.

Reality for the Premier is that Coachford have to turn up for 2 games a season being Grattan. Everybody else they are able to get through easy without going through the gears.
If there is more competition, in the division it leads to harder games and more chance of them dropping points.

Corkbeg finished 3rd and in the premier and struggled to finish out the season by all accounts i.e. no training for last few months etc. and probably were not the only ones.


It's kind of reminiscing of the Klitcho's in heavyweight boxing sure they were beating everyone in their sight but it strangled the division in terms on competition and interest for the supporter.

While the Coachford scenario plays well for the AUL on the national competition front it's not doing anything for the actual bread and butter AUL season.


Something like what Play It Out has suggested is needed at a time like this.

I would also agree a big reshuffle is needed. A team should not have an option of declining to go up a division if asked by the league. 5 divisions of 9 and two round league is nearly the best fit. Hard to see more than 45 teams next year. Would be ideal if it could be 4 leagues of 10. 16/18 league games is more than enough, as mentioned teams lost interest very early with the 3 round league.

In relation to the cup left, Cathedral Watergrasshill would be a great final but they could easily be caught somewhere with no time between games. I would imagine Watergrasshill did a bit of celebrating after the cup win so the temple game tomorrow could go either way.

Final point, is there really need for the Corinthians cup? Adding to the back log of fixtures and not even a day out in the Cross. I see the final is on up in Castleview again

I think everyone is on board that a reshuffle is needed.

You can see across the board in Cork soccer, 2 years after COVID return, managers and players have moved on.

MSL can rely on their own clubs to regenerate. CBL are fine. AUL needs the forced reshuffle. It's unprecedented. Can't blame AUL for much of the drop outs, etc.

Anyone here that's involved in clubs should be voicing at AGM, delegate meetings, emails, etc. They are certainly open to listening but will need clubs help here.

People on this are trying to see the better side of the aul, let’s be Frank the aul is an absolute joke the way they done the cups and fixtures this year, some of ye on this might not like to hear this but the refs and everyone else involved with the aul are scared of some team overtaking coachford it took a few questionable calls to make sure coachford got there place in the aoh cup final and anybody who has played against them this year would admit it as well. The AOH was there for the taken this year and the aul made sure it went when they wanted. I don’t want to be misquoted by anyone on this with them saying I’m discrediting all Coachfords success they’ve been unreal but they also are getting a lot of questionable calls

Ah come on now.

I'm someone who has had issues with AUL decisions through the years but I strongly believe that the men there still care.

I don't belive the conspired to Coachfords benefit, crazy.

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Originally Posted by Play it out

Ah come on now.

I'm someone who has had issues with AUL decisions through the years but I strongly believe that the men there still care.

I don't belive the conspired to Coachfords benefit, crazy.

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I was out there that day watching the game, the ref on the day I won’t name him, coachford had a ball about 6 yards over the line and the ref said it was still in play leading directly to the goal, I refuse to believe he did not see how far over the line the ball was. There afraid of Coachford going MSL and there keeping them in the league

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Originally Posted by AULboy

I was out there that day watching the game, the ref on the day I won’t name him, coachford had a ball about 6 yards over the line and the ref said it was still in play leading directly to the goal, I refuse to believe he did not see how far over the line the ball was. There afraid of Coachford going MSL and there keeping them in the league

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Jim -stand in 1spot -Hennessy..very poor standard of ref is Jim Hennessy…

Lads read these forums, I don't think it's nice or appropriate to bash a ref luke that. Whatever ability a ref is at, I'd like to think they're not conspiring for Coachford to win AOH. Mistake or not we all make them be it players, managers, refs or whoever else.

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Originally Posted by Play it out

Lads read these forums, I don't think it's nice or appropriate to bash a ref luke that. Whatever ability a ref is at, I'd like to think they're not conspiring for Coachford to win AOH. Mistake or not we all make them be it players, managers, refs or whoever else.

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He’s getting 50\60 euro a game that s more then the player in the day he was appalling consistently made the wrong call including not given coachford a blatant penalty didn’t say he conspired… coachford are a fine sides and deserve their success.

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Originally Posted by AULboy

I was out there that day watching the game, the ref on the day I won’t name him, coachford had a ball about 6 yards over the line and the ref said it was still in play leading directly to the goal, I refuse to believe he did not see how far over the line the ball was. There afraid of Coachford going MSL and there keeping them in the league

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This is nonsense. The refs have been equally bad for every team this season. Ask any club and they’ll tell you about a crazy decision that went against them. As poor as they are we can’t give out about them too much cos without them there will be no games.

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Originally Posted by latte2012

This is nonsense. The refs have been equally bad for every team this season. Ask any club and they’ll tell you about a crazy decision that went against them. As poor as they are we can’t give out about them too much cos without them there will be no games.

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cod yourself it’s about money with them …

Gone a bit off topic lads.

What we whingin about now.

Rigged leagues.
Biased refs.
All conqering sides who will be favoured.
Being the best team in the worst league in Cork and then making out your streets ahead is some pat on the back to ya kid. What a complement to that team.
Reserrected teams who we all should fear.
Doubles an trebles in the worst league in Cork.

The rest of Ireland must be dreading the Fai an MJC draw . Oh please not an Aul team.

Have I missed something.

Completly lost the run of ourselves.

The league is built on promotion an relegation. End of.

Not ,can I get my friends to join this season.

We are creating the issue for the Aul.

When clubs were clubs we didnt have the issues we have now.

I have major issues with the Aul .

But.....

The Aul dose not award a walkover .

The Aul dose not field an illegal player.

The Aul dose not abuse a ref .

The clubs/players do that.

I am all for pointing the finger , but sometimes you have to look at yourself as well.

Refereeing is a tough gig, if you’re wrong then you’re wrong, if you’re right you’re usually still wrong in the other teams eyes, Jim’s a nice fella but he’s also human, he could be a bit more mobile on the pitch I agree there should be a fitness test but the reality is that we are chronically low on reffs in every league and age, we wouldn’t have any games if not for them. The lads are genuinely trying their best from what I see, I watch a lot of the CBL and trust me they say the same about their referees.

The carry on of some teams lines and players doesn’t help either, some of them aren’t up to standard so it’s the referees fault a lot of the time.
Glenthorn, Knocka, Glen Celtic and Village in particular have been their own worst enemy in terms of reffs going against them with the abuse from their lines.

I would be the first to agree the season went on too long but overall I’ve enjoyed watching this season a lot across all leagues, a lot of the teams seem younger this year so hopefully the standard raises back up in the next few years, try to focus on the positives lads

Ard Na Laoi gave Grattan a walk over , they couldn't field a team.