Eligibility Rules, Okay

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Solitude is not a "nationalist arena".

We'll see if any Cliftonville supporting posters support your ridiculous assertion that it is.

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Sorry, the vast majority of their fans are of a nationalist persuasion;just like Linfield fans are similar to you, or even more so unionist. Why pretend otherwise??

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I'll give you a pardon on the grounds of your, increasingly evident, ignorance.

I voted "YES" in the Good Friday Agreement referendum.

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What's 'ignorant' about you 'claiming' to vote for Marty & co as I highlighted. Why even type it then?
You voted 'Yes';Bully for you being so 'open-minded'.

I respect your position, as was the majority. Why go on about it?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Now, now - stop boasting.

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Well actually it's your selective 'quoting' that is laughable...

Also, why not learn to 'multi-quote'??
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Sorry, the vast majority of their fans are of a nationalist persuasion

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I don't dispute that.

However, Solitude is not a "Nationalist arena".

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

What's 'ignorant' about you 'claiming' to vote for Marty & co as I highlighted.

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I have never, and will never, put an X on any ballot paper beside any candidate of the Party that Marty is a member of.

So why say it then?
Because your pedantry is rather :rolleyes: selective.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

So why say it then?

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I have never claimed to have put an X on any ballot paper beside any candidate representing the Party of which Marty is a member.

Why do you make things up?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I voted to put Marty and his Provo mates into power, long before 'lazarous' firebrand Ian Paisley would entertain that notion.

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So this was written by an imposter??

You couldn't make it up...
;)

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Originally Posted by gastric

Not sure what your point is, and the spelling mistakes don't help!

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Dannys blog can be summed up as follows
I am not, never was ,never will Northern irish
I am an irishman
The End

NB while understanding this view does not concur with and views himself as Northern irish and or irish and or British, which most people understand

Your ill informed noncesnce you posted meant you either didnt read or understand Danny's Excellent blog on it which encapulates the thoughts of irishmen born in Northernn Ireland.

the highlights being

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Originally Posted by gastric

It is tragic that NI born players feel they cannot represent their country of birth because of this nauseating attitude.

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Their country if they are nationalist has its capital city as Dublin - IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE

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Originally Posted by gastric

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Maybe when the likes of the Faroes Islands beat you, the likes of you will realise that maybe it is time to make a genuine and sincere effort to accommodate the Nationalist Community. Until then I hope this exodus continues and highlights the hypocrisy of the FAI and its supposedly 'soccer supporters.'

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I as a nationalist have no wish to have anything to do with the IFA NI football team, the rubbich posted here regularily and elsewhere that 'if they changed their anthem, changed their ground changed their flag are just red herrings - there is nothing the IFA can do that would make me give allegience to their team

I am not Northern Irish and would NEVER describe myself as such

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Originally Posted by gastric

What I cannot abide is how soccer has been used as a vehicle for political views over the years and still continues today in NI. I also believe that NI continues to alienate many in the Nationalist Community. Recent progress has only been made due to the defections that continue to irk NI supporters. The appointments of Michael O 'Neill and Gerry Armstrong smack of desperation. Positive discrimination has been forced upon the IFA.

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maybe 'soccer' isnt for you then, international football is an expression of identy, which is the exact reason NI supportors are so vociferous as its practically the only expression they have

The appointment of MON was because he was the best candidate, the GA one was a PR sop to NI fans

Positive discrimination my arse

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Originally Posted by gastric

Unfortunately, NB you don't have the ability to accept this reality and your ideas regarding U19s and international representation is a ruse to cover over the anger and embarrassment that this brings to NI football. I hope players continue to represent NI at youth levels and then join us as is their democratic right. Maybe then reality will bite and players from the Nationalist Community will feel they are part of an inclusive team that can achieve success.

The continued extremist political aspects of your posts show that while you think you are progressive, you are actually the problem.

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Utter tripe, I actually agree with NB, I would have no problem with players having to declare at 18 which international team they wish to play for.dont you know your nationailty at 18 ? It will never happen though

the IFA and their fans have made great strides in the past years and it would be churlish not to acknowlege it but the bottom line is its not for me


And it football BTW not soccer

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

So this was written by an imposter??

You couldn't make it up...
;)

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He voted YES in the referendum, the options werre YES/NO no parties were mentioned fromwhat I can recall

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

NB while understanding this view does not concur with and views himself as Northern irish and or irish and or British, which most people understand

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Actually I don't understand the identity mix but I can park the lack of understanding until such time that the penny drops.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

He voted YES in the referendum, the options werre YES/NO no parties were mentioned fromwhat I can recall

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Except if you read what was said, this is not what's being disputed.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Actually I don't understand the identity mix but I can park the lack of understanding until such time that the penny drops.

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The argument goes that there is more than one Irish identity. The independent national identity channelled officially through the Irish state is just one of those. Others might be different in nature - and thus I think worthy of distinction for the sake of understanding - but they might still be called Irish by virtue of being of the island of Ireland.

Think of the Irish language... There's the Irish language - Gaelic - and then I suppose you could say there are other Irish languages by virtue of them being spoken on the island; they might include (Hiberno, Mid Ulster and South Ulster) English, (Ulster) Scots or Shelta. Obviously, they still require distinction from Gaelic.

A fair point Danny;but most people on the island would probably see themselves as Irish, British or from elsewhere.

With a fringe minority claiming the former two, whilst suggesting all nationalists should revoke their British 'citizenship'.
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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

So this was written by an imposter??

You couldn't make it up...
;)

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I'm beginning to think you're not the brightest AB.

Because of that, I'm thinking of giving you a fools pardon.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except if you read what was said, this is not what's being disputed.

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What, exactly, are you disputing now?

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

With a fringe minority claiming the former two, whilst suggesting all nationalists should revoke their British 'citizenship'.
:rolleyes:

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Who has ever suggested Northern Irish born Nationalists should revoke their British Citizenship?

Can you provide evidential links confirming any such calls?

I'd be very interested in seeing/reading same, as I have never heard anyone make such a call in my entire life.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

He voted YES in the referendum, the options werre YES/NO no parties were mentioned fromwhat I can recall

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That's a bit too difficult for the Bhoy from Ardee to comprehend Newryrep.

Says someone incapable of 'Multi-quoting'.

Re-read all Your posts in this thread, NB.

Then look up the definitions of 'Denial and 'Hypocrisy'.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

The argument goes that there is more than one Irish identity. The independent national identity channelled officially through the Irish state is just one of those. Others might be different in nature - and thus I think worthy of distinction for the sake of understanding - but they might still be called Irish by virtue of being of the island of Ireland.

Think of the Irish language... There's the Irish language - Gaelic - and then I suppose you could say there are other Irish languages by virtue of them being spoken on the island; they might include (Hiberno, Mid Ulster and South Ulster) English, (Ulster) Scots or Shelta. Obviously, they still require distinction from Gaelic.

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That has me more confused :)

ATM, I can handle an Irish only identity and an Irish one with a British overlord tinge, for protection purposes from the mad Gaels/Rome/nasty bigoted nationalists/GAA and gombeen shifty southern politicians.

Other options are Northern Irish which I understand as a Cork republic type thing, not serious enough to consider independence.

So you're left with Northern Irish but British and Northern Irish but Irish.
We can't give you the Ulster identity because there is no Ulster identity, maybe there's a bástard brew called Ulster lite, claiming it to be the real Ulster brew.

Maybe instead of a language analogy, you can give me a brewing analogy?

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

Their country if they are nationalist has its capital city as Dublin - IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE

I as a nationalist have no wish to have anything to do with the IFA NI football team, the rubbich posted here regularily and elsewhere that 'if they changed their anthem, changed their ground changed their flag are just red herrings - there is nothing the IFA can do that would make me give allegience

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I respect your views Newryrep.

I'm glad you raised this issue - gastric obviously feels that Northern Nationalists are only playing for the FAI because the big, bad, IFA are cold shouldering them.

I, like you, thought they wanted to play for the FAI because they, as Nationalists, consider the Republic Of Ireland as their country, and therefore the FAI to be their "first choice" Association.

I can understand entirely that gastric's comments could be deemed offensive by some Northern Nationalist players and supporters.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Says someone incapable of 'Multi-quoting'.

Re-read all Your posts in this thread, NB.

Then look up the definitions of 'Denial and 'Hypocrisy'.

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Dear Ardeebhoy,

I have, somewhat reluctantly, decided that I will no longer be engaging in discussion/debate with you.

Whilst I have enjoyed the banter, you repeatedly have been unable to substantiate many of your claims, when challenged to do so.

It has reached the point where you have divorced yourself from all reason and rationale.

There are several well read, articulate, and fair minded people on these forums with whom I would rather devote more time to engaging with on the "eligibility issue", and matters flowing from that.

Good luck, and enjoy your summer.