it could be a match day scarf it looked red, green, and white.
he looked irish though, perhaps he was an Irish-poland fan. ;)
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it could be a match day scarf it looked red, green, and white.
he looked irish though, perhaps he was an Irish-poland fan. ;)
The guy's a polish fan. That picture appeared in the Guardian newspaper at the time of the trouble and the caption clearly identified him as a polish fan:Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...porter-missile
By the way Parker, fans have emailed the Guards asking questions about this and even the Guards Press officers are saying the stories are sensationalised rubbish. :)
Which only makes your offence worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
For 99% of the readers of this thread will not have known the provenance of that photo - which, of course, was exactly what you were relying on .
So why not for once in your (web)life, be honest Mr. P? You have been caught "bang to rights" trying to pass off a photo of a Polish fan misbehaving at another game entirely, in a thoroughly dishonest attempt to support malicious allegations by you against NI fans, made on the flimsiest of "evidence", regarding a game you weren't even at.
I've long known you to be a "spoofer", but I hadn't expected outright lies and deception...
Balls!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Or would you like to explain how a clearly and correctly captioned photograph in the Guardian, of misbehaviour by a Polish fan at a match in Belfast two years ago, amounts to corroboration by a "reputable paper" of events at a match in Dublin two days ago?
When awec exposed your tawdry little lie, the only "fig leaf" you could find to try to cover your embarrassment was this (frankly) laughable claim.
Worse than pathetic.
Then these reports - if they exist, that is, are quite simply wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
For when I was dropped off the Airport Coach in D4 at 3 pm, there was hardly an NI fan to be found. And when I nipped into "Oil Can Harrys" for my first pint of the day, I was the only NI fan in a bar which was packed to the rafters with Jocks (great bunch, btw).
And when I subsequently walked towards the AVIVA after 4 pm, to find and meet up with my (ROI) mate, I saw maybe a dozen NI fans in total, even after walking half way round the stadium (plenty of Jocks, mind).
This was because the Jocks had all flown in that morning (or previous day), whereas the NI fans travelled down on the day, with the coaches all leaving Belfast etc mid-to-late afternoon, some even after work. Consequently, the vast bulk of the GAWA only arrived less than two hours before kick-off. Which was why, when my own little group of NI/ROI/Scottish fans were having a drink and pre-match bite to eat (in Jurys, Berkeley Court etc), we saw not one single incident of misbehaviour, as the arriving NI fans started to mingle with the Scots.
Now it may be that there was trouble after the game and I wouldn't have seen it (my lift home needed us to get back to the car by 9.58 pm, before the clamper arrived). But whatever did happen, any "account" of it by you has less than zero credibility, since not only were you not there, but you have a track record of making things up, in an attempt to corroborate your clearly bigoted agenda against anything to do with the GAWA.
Btw, awec, did the Garda Press Office mention how many arrests they made on the night?Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
I'm guessing that it was figure somewhere between Nought and Zero - for even my copy of the Irish News makes no mention of it whatever and seeing as they had Kenny Archer reporting from Dublin, I'd have thought he'd have picked up on it...
Sure the Gards only arrest Shamrock Rovers fans. Supporters of every other football club are angels in their eyes.
Having seen Poland play both home and away, it is quite common for their fans to wear their club colours to international games. And a few clubs in the Ekstrklasa have green as part of their strip:Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
http://ekstraklasa.org/ekstraklasa.org/0,0.html
At a guess I'd say he's a Legia Warsaw fan.
Unless, of course, he's one half of the Donegal Celtic Massive...
I think the number I heard was zero. At least I think so, it was either that, or zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Incidentally, the Gards I spoke to before the game were very friendly and relaxed, as were the Stewards in/around the AVIVA. Perhaps they missed all this trouble which Mr. Parker assures us had already kicked off, even before the kick-off...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Heard it was three-zero myself...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
Touché! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
it couldnt have been Rovers fans FFS Charlie. Theres no direct bus from Tallaght to Lansdowne Road. ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Fair enough, EG ( & awec) that was your experience, but why would Kevin Humphreys make those claims then??
Is he just an 'attention-seeker' ??
After all, he is a Labour councillor, not SF.....
I don't doubt that an element of "hangers-on" amongst the NI support got stuck into the drink after the game and severely annoyed the locals with anti-social behaviour (singing party tunes, p1ssing in gardens etc). Nor do I defend it, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
But seeing as it got little or no coverage on RTE, BBC, or any of the national papers, and the Gardai didn't make a single arrest, I have no doubt either that deplorable as it was, it was relatively low-key on the scale of football hooliganism etc.
As for why this Labour Councillor should have made a fuss, if one was being charitable, one would say that he was just speaking up for his constituents. Of course, if one were slightly more cynical, it might just be a case of a small-time local politician trying to make a name for himself in the run-up to an election.
His choice of media (Herald and Talk Radio etc), plus my own first-hand experience at the actual match, leads me towards the latter view...
But who knows, maybe "Polack Parker", foot.ie's very own Paparazzo on the Spot, can produce a photo which will clear it all up for us...
Interesting post over on the our wee country forum:
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Alright folks
1st post but have been a lurker for a few years now.
I'm a ROI fan who lives right beside the stadium and I was at the game in the East stand.
I saw no trouble at the game.
Earlier in the day at about 4pm I took a walk up Bath Avenue before going back into my apartment in Ringsend and most of the Northern Ireland fans were coming in from the top of Bath Avenue and congregated at a pub called Murrays.
The only songs I heard them singing were "Green White Army" and "One team in Ireland".
The fans outside Murrays were vocal and drunk but nothing out of the ordinary. I didn't hear any Rangers songs.
Atmosphere was brilliant at the game and banter from the Scots and Nordies was very good natured. Only songs I remember hearing from Northern Ireland fans were "Not Brazil", "Rule Britania", "Green White army","Norther Ireland clap chant" so don't know what the fuss is about. Nobody takes the Evening Herald seriously here.
So to summarise I live beside the stadium and didn't see or witness any of what the Herald has reported.
Youtube has the "party songs" from Murray's.Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
If party songs is the height of it then that's a fair step down from the stuff printed in the paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Nobody wants to hear party songs and they shouldn't happen, I heard some myself during the game (and I cringed), but the muck that's being printed in the herald is lies.
Yes the Herald went OTT. It's a tabloid, that's what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
Let's move on now, eh?
Until the 24th May....
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Not too sure of that at all! Dont think its really an Irish thing at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
yep, and both were roundly booedQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Dont be silly of course it is:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
This sarcasm?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Booing of GSTQ that night was from a relatively small section of the crowd, less than 20% in my guess (20% too much though) and almost all from the South Terrace. I was on the North Terrace and there was no booing. "Roundly" suggests it was widespread which it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Is this the one you are referring to?
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/c...i-2533967.html
That's the one. Melanie Finn from the herald.
Personally the best bit about the article for me is when she tries to equate it to the England 1995 game when England wrecked the place completely!
Thats fair enough, I just got that impression from watching it that night on the Beeb which started the highlights showing both anthems roundly booedQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
That picture appeared at the time and was used by one 'reputable' paper and indicated it was a NI fan. If my point was to subtle, then I will have to spell such things out in much simpler language.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
As for the reports, the main source was a live radio show that covered events for at least an hour. Residents, taxi drivers, stewards, NI supporters were all interviewed live. Certainly there were some who saw little or nothing, but the vast majority were very angry about the things that they had seen, heard and experienced. As I said before, why would they make all this up?
Does sound a bit OTT right enough, but no smoke without fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Even if it was 50 or less, a bit embarrassing.
Though at least we are potentially capable of hosting the next fixture, given the current state of their ground couldn't see it being hosted in Beal-feirste in the next decade. Unless they had to....
And any misbehaviour there would not have been so gently tolerated.
And look forward to the likes of 'Bothered of Belfast' bombarding The Herald with irate correspondence about the facts being misrepresented.
Hmm, sounds familiar.
You're still trying to push it? I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
isnt the scotland game our last?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
anyway, agree with you re the success of the tournament. our match v scotland should be decent with a competitive edge assuming we both equal each others results in 2nd games. looking at a scottish forum earlier they all seem to have had a great time wednesday and cant wait to come back in may. by far beats a drab frindly v brazil anyday. lets hope our fans take to the remaining games as well as the scots have to theirs
This is the biggest positive about the whole thing imo, i'd rather do this than some crappy friendly against some crappy eastern european team (the sort of fixture we are ALWAYS landed with) who beat us because our team doesn't turn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Push what exactly? You tried to deny anything 'wrong' happened. "a good day was had by all" to quote you directly. I challenged you an that based on what had been reported and also asked you why would people go to the trouble of making it all up. You then moved from "a good day was had by all" to conceding that there may have been some incidents. You then demanded reports from reputable newspapers, I highlighted, obviously to subtley for some, that even so-called reputable papers get it wrong, therefore highlighting the pointlessness of posting anything for you. I have nothing to be embarrassed for. If you keep denying a problem exists, there is little chance of ever moving the reputation of NI football fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
Still waiting for a reputable news source, photos, quotes from the guards or quotes from the stewards. You've had all day Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Don't try and fob us off with lies again either. Didn't work earlier and it won't work now.
Face it, you've been outed as the sad little bitter man you are.
At the time of what? And in which "reputable paper"? And how was it indicated as being "an NI fan"? Can you reproduce the link which indicated it was an NI fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
The facts are quite simple. Following posts where you attempted to tarnish the name of NI fans at the AVIVA, you Googled until you found a 2 year old photo of a Polish hoolie, who superficially could have been mistaken for an NI fan, and posted it in a a blatant attempt to deceive posters on this thread into thinking it was a photo of an NI fan outside the AVIVA on Wednesday.
You were not attempting subtlety - unless "subtlety" means blatant lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
The sum total of your attempt to blacken the name of the GAWA amounts to (your account of) a radio phone-in show, which conveniently is unavailable for the rest of us to hear, plus a report by the Showbiz correspondent(!) of a tabloid rag, the Evening Herald.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
And as regards this latter, amidst all the "Is no-one thinking of the children?" sensationalism, it was what was not reported, rather than what was which tells the truer story. That is, there was no criminal damage to report, no fighting to report, no confrontations with the Gardai or local residents to report and no arrests.
Which is not to say that a minority of the 6k+ NI fans who were in Dublin didn't make *******s of themselves when drunk - I daresay they did. But if waving flags and singing political songs etc is the sum total of their misbehaviour, then reprehensible though that is, it hardly amounts to a re-run of The Troubles, does it?
Face it, Parker/Red Rabble, your mask has slipped for all to see over this. And try as you might to try to recover the situation, anyone re-reading back through this thread will see plainly and clearly that for all your fancy words and implied authority etc, you are nothing more than the mirror image of the (red) rabble who sang the Sash in D4 on Wednesday night - bitter, prejudiced and contemptible.
Well said EalingGreen, couldn't have put it better myself.
Parker, you're a joke.
What "subtlety"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
The process is clear:
1. After failing to find a photo of NI fans rioting in Dublin etc, you instead tried to pass off a photo of a Polish fan confronting the PSNI as "confirming" your allegations.
2. Your lie was exposed.
3. You then tried to deny your attempted deception by pretending that your point actually was that even reputable papers can get the facts wrong etc. Yet when pushed, you have been unable to show which such source had misrepresented the photo as being of an NI fan.
4. Finally, you resort to trying to impugn the intelligence of the rest of us by implying that we are unable to appreciate your "subtlety".
All of which would be bad enough, were it not for the fact that reputable papers sometimes getting the facts wrong is no answer to awec's charge that entirely disreputable papers like the Herald don't care whether they get it right or wrong, so long as they get a sufficiently sensationalist "story" to cause gullible, credulous and (frankly) thick-witted gombeens to buy their s h i tty rag...
P.S. Still waiting to hear whether Cliftonville are due any transfer add-on from Werder Bremen now that Liam Boyce has got a full NI cap. You stated that you knew, without giving any good reason why you wouldn't say. More bull s h i t, eh?
Quotes, pic etc of what exactly? There was a radio show, people phoned in their experiences. You claimed all had a good day, those reports contradicted your take on things. I challenged you on your take. I have nothing to prove. The only bitterness is those in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
You challenge me on my take? That's rich. Despite the numerous facts on here posted about the number of arrests and the guards opinion on the matter, you're challenging my take?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Do one.
You are a sad, pathetic, bitter little man. Time to cut your losses and shut your mouth.
On Boyce you don't deserve an answer given your previous 'subtle' comments. On the rest, the pic was posted directly under the sentence discussing reputable papers. As for a source, it was initially posted on the BBC website and subsequently replaced after complaints. Also if you rememer pics and video of another polish fan attacking people while in possesion of an 'ulster' flag also had their captions changed after intially describing him as a NI fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
So you still believe "a good day was had by all"?Quote:
Originally Posted by awec