Neil Warnock?Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
Printable View
Neil Warnock?Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
If the Wolves board had any sense or humility they'd beg Mick to come back.
Terry Connor seems like a real gent but also a graduate from the Avram Grant school of motivation. Looked bewildered at that first press conference and not much better since.
I wonder has 'Jez' checked whether Mick and Terry are still conferring on the sly? Surely the only explanation for their continued circular motion around the premier league drain..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jez Moxey
Well today must've been the first real nail in the coffin with QPR and Blackburn having won in the week and Bolton and Wigan both winning today
Second nail and I feel fatal one at the wkd. Will be sad to see them go down but they are nothing short of abysmal now. To think they had such a good start and were even top!!
Wolves are finished. They're now 7 points off safety, although it's effectively 8 points given their horrific goal difference. Assuming all the teams above them get no points whatsoever in their last 7 matches, Wolves need 3 wins in their remaining 7 games. I can't see Wolves winning 3 games out of 7, let alone the realistic 5 victories that they will need to stay up.
Who will leave Wolves? Well, Stephen Fletcher almost certainly will leave I'd say. A few clubs will be in for Matt Jarvis, he has easily been Wolves' best winger. Wayne Hennessy has usually impressed in goal, think he could get a Premier League club. The likes of Roger Johnson, Kevin Doyle and Jamie O'Hara will probably feel like they deserve Premier League football, although their performances this season haven't merited it. Can't see any Premier League club coming in for Stephen Hunt or Kevin Foley. Hunt because he will be 31 next season and Foley because he hasn't showed enough in the top flight. Stephen Ward has played regular football and had a few decent games at the start of the season. Can't see him leaving as he hasn't showed enough (especially in 2012) and Wolves will probably be keen to hold onto a proven Championship player and team captain.
It'd surely be a good career move to Doyle to avoid a season in the championship, even if it may serve to improve his confidence at a level at which he has shown to be easily comfortable in terms of goalscoring. He'll be 29 shortly after the new season kicks off and at 30 he'll be even less appealing.
Doyle's shown a strong degree of loyalty to Wolves, and even initially when he signed for them. Interest has surrounded Doyle from bigger clubs than Wolves before he signed for them and also last summer, even if they were just rumours. At this stage, with McCarthy gone, it's in his best interests to maintain his Premier League status. Presumably, Wolves will have Leigh Griffiths, Sam Vokes and Sylvain Ebanks-Blake for next season, three strikers who have or could be enough at championship level. Any promoted side would cherish his strong work ethic and I'm sure some mid to low tier premiership teams would snap up a cut-price Doyle.
It's a pity to think that his goalscoring form for Ireland and club hasn't really shone quite like his debut premiership season in 2006-2007, even if other aspects of his game have been excellent in times of good form.
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Doyle could end up back in the Premier League with Reading next year.
Doyle, Ward and possibly Hunt will all have an opportunity to stake their claim for a new club at the Euros this summer. Doyle will almost certainly get a move, Ward maybe, Hunt maybe.
I've always been a big fan of Kevin Doyle, but the lad looks burnt out at the moment. Hopefully its only a temporary condition.
Current manager Brian McDermott was chief scout at Reading when he was signed from Cork City.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I disagree, the other aspects of his game have been poor as well for the majority of this season and that includes for Ireland. Doyle and Jason Roberts are very similar players so I'm not sure Doyle would be a priority unless they could get him back cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Roberts is only there on loan, although he's unlikely to get first team football when he goes back to Blackburn
Nope, signed full time there in JanuaryQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Hence why I said "in times of good form" and not "this season."Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Ward won't get a move to a Premiership club, Hunt is going to be pensioned off up in Scotland with Celtic, and Doyle is class - he'll get a move no problem. Liverpool would be a great fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Doyles had a torrid season, I don't see anyone coming in for him. Wouldn't be surprised if Trap dropped him and he had no impact at the Euros, Walters and Long have made much more convincing cases this season.
A return to Reading would be my guess, when they get promotedQuote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
MAybe about 4 years ago, not now. Unless Dogleash decides to continue his usual transfer policy and buy him for 20mQuote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
what a stupid decision to sack mick, they deserve to go down
Yep, hard to feel sympathy for them. In retrospect people will appreciate that getting them promoted, keeping them in the division for 2 years and having them in contention for a 3rd was operating at the ceiling of Wolves ability. Wigan realised this years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by the bear
14 points from 22 games, last game being a 5-1 defeat to a local rival. I'd have sacked him.
no doubt the run they were on was dreadful but to sack him without a decent alternative lined up to come in was criminal. surely the point in sacking mick was to put someone better in place and they failed miserably to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I heard (started) a rumour Mick is lined up for the Liverpool job,
Maybe so, though I don't think its a reflection of his abilities as a manager so much as a complete lack of talent at Wolves (which is partially his fault though its not like he had an open checkbook). As I've said throughout the season, its basically a Championship calibre side with the exception of Fletcher, Johnson, and maybe Jarvis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
How much had he spent in comparison to Swansea and Norwich for example? Or Everton of late?Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
He had been in the job there a while, they were his players, his squad, his team, and they had done nothing but circle the plughole since promotion.
Didn't Stoke come up around the same time as Wolves, maybe a season or two later, and of late have thrown a few bob at the squad, certainly, but did they initially to a far greater extent than Wolves? Compare the progress, both comparably sized provincial clubs.
Now, the Wolves board in their 'appointment' of Mick's replacement have made a laughing stock of the club and will reap their reward with relegation, but they were probably going either way. They would have went down with their heads held high under Mick, but they would have gone.
I don't know why you'd put a maybe beside Jarvis - he's easily their best player. Johnson has been their worst player all year. He'll probably still be bought by a Premier League club though.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
mick isn't the best manager in the world but to sack him without having someone better to come in was a bit stupid. looking ahead for next year and trying to gain promotion mick is exactly who you want in there
Worked out well for Mick in a way, they would probably have gone down anyway but he has the benefit of the doubt.
What you are saying is technically true but they had accumulated 21 points from 25 games whereas Bolton and Wigan had less and Blackburn and QPR were level on points with them. Wolves have picked up 1 point since Mick was sacked, Bolton and Wigan have 9 and Blackburn and QPR have 7. It was a ridiculous decision to sack him considering his experience in a dog fight and I'm sure they regret it hugely!Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Mick had very little to spend over his tenure there. However his biggest outlay was probably Kevin Doyle whose form this season has been absolutely dire. Not sure what the problem with him is but he is a shadow of his former self and probably the main reason for Wolves demise. The purchase of Johnson from Birmingham has turned out to be a disaster also, coupled with the injury to Craddock. Hennessy takes off some great saves but lets in some very soft goals. Not sure if they would halve avoided the drop if Mick had stayed but at least they would be 6 points better off than they are now.
Hennessy and central defence are to blame from what I can see. Hennessy has talent but is just not reliable enough. The goal he conceded against WBA at 1-1 was just awful. Last year Mick had experienced back up for Hennessy and used him to stabilise things. Doyle has struggled but no way can you pin a striker's poor form for a team being relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
The Irish boys at Stoke could do Wolves a favour and throw Wolves a lifeline.
There is only Ward playing though.
3 points would give Wolves a chance.
LOL Wolves just gone 1-0 up :)
Yep, with Bolton, Wigan, and Blackburn all losing and QPR facing United tomorrow if Wolves can hold on to this lead (unlikely) you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Dam....1-1 Robert Huth
Even a point would be useful to them, two wins puts the safe (provided all else goes well).
Actually just checked and a as Blackburn play Wigan they will still need more then 6 points
as a further 1 or 3 points will be awarded.
Safe? Two wins doesn't even get them out of the relegation zone (unless you meant after a possible draw today).Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Watched Wolves play Stoke, thought Wolves were absolutely shíte, especially considering how poor the Stoke team that they were playing.
Stephen Ward played all of the game, he strikes me as a decent player who is firmly commited, but quite frankly, he is lost as a Premier League player. I really do fear for the Irish team when we play world class opposition like Spain and Italy with him in the team.
Looking at Stoke, Walters missed an absolute sitter, other than that, I thought he did well to hold up play. Wilson had a tidy enough game at left back, struggled with Kightly at times when defending. The real stand-out Irish player was Glen Whelan. He worked really hard, closed down space, made tackles and rendered a lot of Wolves counter-attacks neutral.
Yea I mean after they got a point today (which they didn't), point I am making is that with Blackburn playing Wigan a least one willQuote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
make 29 points, which means due to goal difference Wolves need to make 30 points to have a chance, so they need 8 more points from
6 games plus whatever the best of the 3 above them get from 6 games. So 12+ points, doable for Man U or Man City but not Wolves.
Wilson struggles in vain most times when he's left alone to deal with an opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline