Roy Keane isn't a varsity athlete of the brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
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Roy Keane isn't a varsity athlete of the brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Very true about he could have just got on with it. I can even hear it in Keane's voice: "Where's de courage? Dis is de World Cup and de only ting dat matters is what happens on de pitch. No. No. It's true. De World Cup is a big deal, especially for a small country like IIIiiireland. You just get on wid it, like."
Yeah, he was probably doing the journalist a favour, seeing as how he's always loved journalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
And he won't have taken money for it either. Oh no, Keane is known for not being interested in money.
Keane simply didn't want to be there. Let's be honest; he was never the most commited to the Irish cause.
When he played (bizarrely at sweeper) against Iceland at in October of 1996, it was only his fourth appearance since 1994, and he was consequently at the receiving end of boos from the Irish support.
After his appointment as captain, he went AWOL having been called up to the US tour in the summer of '96, so he could watch the cricket, refusing all calls from the management.
What happened in Saipan was never McCarthy's fault.
And then there's the Iran play-off - I know who I believe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
https://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/iran-match.htm
I agree. I also think McCarthy handled it spectacularly badly. His decision to confront Keane in front of the whole squad, and then to bring up past grievances, was only ever going to end one way. What did he expect to happen when he put Keene’s back up against the wall ? Very bad management in my view. He wanted to show who was in charge and put Keane in his place publicly. Was never going to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
He played great in he first leg and had a knee injury that a long flight and game would not have helped. I'm with Keane on this one. In the games he played (which was most of the qualifying games), he was immense. He got himself right and played the last couple of friendlies in Lansdowne before heading to Saipan. He also blamed himself for Nigeria's winning goal against us in the last friendly. He was committed. Unfortunately, he just couldn't keep his mouth shut and suck it up for a monthQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
He was just okay in the first leg. Any ordinary decent committed player would have endured the so called long flight, not only to play but if such and such a player was to captain his team and country to a World Cup Final??. It's expected of a great captain to be a captain to the death. Puyol was a captain, not only of club but 110% of a country of which he only had a peripheral identity to. That Mick did not handle the the situation in Saipan very well, especially with confronting Keane is no big secret but Ireland's captain should not have put the manager in any such bizarre situation to manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
When it comes to ranking captains of teams, Keane, regardless of club achievements, would rank at the bottom rungs of national team captains, saved from total ignominy by his superb performances against Netherlands, Portugal home and especially away in the qualifiers.
I think there was an agreement that he wasn't in great shape so if we got a positive result, he would stay home and get treatment. 2-0 at home was certainly a positive result.
Teaser trailer for the Saipan movie released
That's a terrible trailer ~ Not easy to make, sports / soccer, movies at the best of times anyway !Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Looks good to me.
Obviously UMBRO didn't let them use their logo on jerseys.
Coogan is a great choice for McCarthy.
Only thing that stands out is when they're facing off there, McCarthy should be a bit taller than Keane. I met Keane once. He's not a tall man for a professional athlete
The fella playing Keane has a huge head ( physically )
And Steve Coogan would be the least intimidating centre-back of all time ~ Mick McCarthy having being a very intimidating centre-back in his playing time.
How many successful sport films has there even been, in comparison to the numbers made ?
Not many, but there are some very good ones like Ali, Moneyball, Senna, Murderball, Cool Runnings. They seem to be a bit more fun when they're entirely fictional, a la Rocky, Warrior, Remember the Titans, etc. Still, I, Tonya is probably the closest I can think of to the Keane/Spaipan saga in that you have a real-life story (fictionalised of course, as these things usually are) of someone highly talented and driven but self-sabotaging, and that movie is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Remember the titans is based on a true story, but some of it is fictionalised
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexan...ber_the_Titans
Friday night lights is another great high school football film.
Cinderella Man is good and the first movie I've ever seen where I believed the boxing.
Those Rocky movies are ridiculous for boxing. Not one boxer puts his hands in front of his face to protect himself ;)
Well to me, nether Tonya Harding or Nancy Kerrigan were a patch on some of the other top female skaters at other olympics of around that time. Maybe top skaters were a bit thin on the ground at that particular time ( that olympics ). Also, I suppose because of the controversy / violent incident, these two skaters got a hell of a lot more, publicity / coverage, than they otherwise would have. To me, I Tonya, was a passible film / average enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I wish Saipan could be forgotten. I lost one of my best football friends over that. We used to go to all the home games and travel to many of the away games together. He was also a big Man U/Keane fan and after Saipan he refused to go to any Irish games. "Why should I support the muppets who let Roy down?" were his exact words. I invited him to parties, social events etc after that but he never came to any: I was one of those muppets in his eyes. Saw him once at his mother's funeral and that's all. Sad.
It's been more than 20 years, there's players in the senior squad who were born after it happened, it really should be left in the past, but both Keane and McCarthy have a fairly high profile as studio analysts in the UK, which keeps it in the public consciousness.
I was thinking about the film itself, will it make money - who is going to see it?
Plenty Man U players now don't remember him either.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
The multiple TV companies have given more of these ex pros than is necessary an extended relevance after their careers have ended, Keane is one, Ferdinand another, there are loads & don't get me started on Micah Richards. Neville another. McManaman & Carragher are clearly scum bags but you have to listen to them if you want to watch.
I'd have no interest at all in seeing this & hopefully it flops, and with it Saipan fallout might finally stop with it.