Irish Abroad 2013/2014

We don't know anything about Liam Agnew's footballing ability so there is nothing to discuss. He just happens to have an Irish first name - which is fashionable in all English speaking countries.

I think we should all reserve our energies for Irish born players, players playing for Ireland at underage level, players who have declared for Ireland or at the very least players with Irish sounding names who have at least played at some level in the English footballing pyramid.

Patrick Kluivert has an Irish first name too. Should we enquire about his eligibility too?

I apologise to bwagner if what seems blunt to me is belligerent to him.

So we just work to your rules and dismiss others' interests and opinions? Grow up and if you don't like someone else's interests. don't post.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Patrick Kluivert has an Irish first name too. Should we enquire about his eligibility too?

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On a related note, I'm disappointed we were never in for Patjim Kasani. With a name like Patjim he's got to be from good midlands stock.

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Originally Posted by gastric

So we just work to your rules and dismiss others' interests and opinions? Grow up and if you don't like someone else's interests. don't post.

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gastric, there is no need to speak on someone else's behalf to try and create dissension and stir things. I didn't criticise this poster. It's a stretch to even say that I criticised his post.

The post was made in good spirit. I have had worse things said to me and I haven't batted an eyelid.

Agnew is a Scottish surname anyways so Scotland have first dibs on him.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

gastric, there is no need to speak on someone else's behalf to try and create dissension and stir things. I didn't criticise this poster. It's a stretch to even say that I criticised his post.

The post was made in good spirit. I have had worse things said to me and I haven't batted an eyelid.

Agnew is a Scottish surname anyways so Scotland have first dibs on him.

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I am creating dissension and stirring things! How many times have you been criticised for the dismissive and immature nature of your posts? Maybe it's time you started to listen to the criticism. On the basis of your Agnew comment, Cascarino should have only played for Italy as it is an Italian name. What planet are you on?

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Originally Posted by gastric

I am creating dissension and stirring things! How many times have you been criticised for the dismissive and immature nature of your posts? Maybe it's time you started to listen to the criticism. On the basis of your Agnew comment, Cascarino should have only played for Italy as it is an Italian name. What planet are you on?

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Semantics.

By that logic, we could create threads on every single player who hasn't been capped in English football.

"Immature posts" and "What planet are you on?"

Seriously, gastric. You are saying I'm attacking other users and you come out with stuff like that.

I'd say the "Liam" part of his name is more indicative of Irishness than "Agnew", although the latter is pretty popular here too. Then again Connor Wickham is from pure English stock so who knows?

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Semantics.

By that logic, we could create threads on every single player who hasn't been capped in English football.

"Immature posts" and "What planet are you on?"


Seriously, gastric. You are saying I'm attacking other users and you come out with stuff like that.

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As it doesn't seem to be sinking in, why have liamoo, crafty, paddy among others criticised the nature of your posts? Why don't you reflect on their criticism and stop giving us your opinion on possible eligible players ad nauseam? And don't use the term 'semantics' as an excuse when you make a generalisation about Agnew being a Scottish name.

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Originally Posted by gastric

As it doesn't seem to be sinking in, why have liamoo, crafty, danny among others criticised the nature of your posts? Why don't you reflect on their criticism and stop giving us your opinion on possible eligible players ad nauseam? And don't use the term 'semantics' as an excuse when you make a generalisation about Agnew being a Scottish name.

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That comment about Agnew being a Scottish surname was clearly intended as a humorous comment to lighten the situation. Obviously it didn't work.

gastric, it's a forum. I am entitled to give my opinion - just as bwagner is - without being patronised and spoken to with such vitriol.

And again, is there really any need to speak on behalf of other posters? Or indeed, was there any need to create this dissension after liamoo had already made his point eloquently and without the hostility that you are projecting?

Now it's a humorous comment? It certainly escaped me. Vitriol, no just honesty. You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but how many times do you have to make the same point? I am not speaking on behalf of other posters, more just trying to get you to understand that your dismissive attitude to the interests and opinions of other posters is not warranted.

As an example, Ole's comment about Slattery at Arsenal (post 270) and your particularly rude and dismissive response (post 271).

Philip Roberts signed for Dundee, will be playing SPL football next season after being released by Falkirk a few weeks ago: http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/news/roberts-signs

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/kevin-...64127-May2014/

Kevin Feely may switch code and pursue career in the GAA.

John O'Sullivan and Darragh Lenihan offered new deals at Blackburn: http://www.rovers.co.uk/news/article...t-1555667.aspx

Paul Green among seven players released by Leeds: http://www.leedsunited.com/news/arti...-release-seven

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Originally Posted by gastric

Now it's a humorous comment? It certainly escaped me. Vitriol, no just honesty. You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but how many times do you have to make the same point? I am not speaking on behalf of other posters, more just trying to get you to understand that your dismissive attitude to the interests and opinions of other posters is not warranted.

As an example, Ole's comment about Slattery at Arsenal (post 270) and your particularly rude and dismissive response (post 271).

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You spoke on my behalf anyways. I second it. Without wanting to gang up on TWOK, it can be a tad deterrent when someone notes something and is consequently met with an utter dismissal and I honestly cannot fathom what purpose such dismissal serves to anyone only to deter discussion of anything similar. Luckily, I chose to ignore it. Which is probably your best bet gastric.

Days later, Scott Hogan's eligibility is brought up by the same poster which I probably should have ignored but chose not to. Likely will do in future.

First of all, Scott Hogan is eligible for Ireland and Padraig Amond said he was called up to our U-21 National Team - which I was looking to clarify. Liam Agnew is not eligible and just happens to have a vaguely Irish sounding first name. I think there's a bit of a difference there as I would not have posted anything about Hogan if he wasn't/didn't know he was eligible.

Second of all, I don't think I was rude to bwagner. I think I was blunt.

People have said worse things to me - routinely calling my posts ridiculous, ridiculing me for possessing an unpopular opinion about Robbie Keane on threads/discussions that have nothing to do with Robbie Keane, wrongly accusing me of attacking posters. It's not just me either. I routinely see other posters attacking other people's posts when I go through old threads. It doesn't seem to be a problem until now for some reason. :confused:

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You spoke on my behalf anyways. I second it. Without wanting to gang up on TWOK, it can be a tad deterrent when someone notes something and is consequently met with an utter dismissal and I honestly cannot fathom what purpose such dismissal serves to anyone only to deter discussion of anything similar. Luckily, I chose to ignore it. Which is probably your best bet gastric.

Days later, Scott Hogan's eligibility is brought up by the same poster which I probably should have ignored but chose not to. Likely will do in future.

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Without wanting to start another argument, I hope all posters feel happy to use this thread to comment on all potential players with even tentative links. It's all good fun and creates interest for many on here including myself. I still remember how one poster on here rang Barry Maguire and spoke to him about declaring for us. Pure gold! Keep up the comments and research!

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Originally Posted by gastric

Without wanting to start another argument, I hope all posters feel happy to use this thread to comment on all potential players with even tentative links. It's all good fun and creates interest for many on here including myself. I still remember how one poster on here rang Barry Maguire and spoke to him about declaring for us. Pure gold! Keep up the comments and research!

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Indeed, seconded. And less of the Johnny come lately types trying to censure discussion in line with their pinched and narrow world view to suit their own limited agenda and flying disrespectfully in the face of the embedded tradition of reasoned open discussion which abounds and indeed defines this fine corner of the www. While frequently spouting absolute nonsense in other threads I might add.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Indeed, seconded. And less of the Johnny come lately types trying to censure discussion in line with their pinched and narrow world view to suit their own limited agenda and flying disrespectfully in the face of the embedded tradition of reasoned open discussion which abounds and indeed defines this fine corner of the www. While frequently spouting absolute nonsense in other threads I might add.

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Never ceases to amuse me how I am accused of attacking other posters/posts and making other users feel unwelcome while I regularly have to put up with things like this being said to me.

It says a lot that the poster who I was allegedly rude to is conspicuous by his absence in this debate yet the usual suspects are attacking me on his behalf, jumping on what I said, with the same old pack mentality and simultaneously accuse me of having an agenda. :rolleyes:

I get it lads. You have been here longer than me. I am an easy target. You pay absolutely no respect or tolerance to my opinions and never have.

Really, there is genuinely no need for the rudeness. What I said to bwagner did not warrant this tirade.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

... ridiculing me for possessing an unpopular opinion about Robbie Keane on threads/discussions that have nothing to do with Robbie Keane ...

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Not quite. You weren't ridiculed for expressing an unpopular opinion. The problem was not the popularity of your opinion; it was due to the fact that your claim was suspect. You offered a very ungenerous interpretation of a Robbie Keane quote relating to his eventual international retirement and were rightly challenged on it. Despite this and being presented with cogent reasons as to why your interpretation wasn't at all appropriate, you persisted to insist that you were right. If it was raised in other threads, it was most likely to serve as an example of your continued and irritating stubborness in the face of your denial.