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Talent to burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnie
Til he burnt it.
Hated it with a passion. Only good thing about it was it was easy to find it! There was never an atmosphere from the numerous matches i went to !Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
My few experiences of Morton is where I can empathise with away supporters in Oriel. While its a nice tidy terrace where away fans were put, there always seemed to be a gale with torrential rain blowing in to yer face. Having one ticket kisok open for a large number of fans was the norm too so it took an age to get in to the place.
I agree on Chris Turner, he could have had a top class career in Engald with a better general attitude.
I wouldn't be too generous to him re: toilets! I know away fans are the last consideration for every club, but the lack of away toilets has probably cost Dundalk more money than it would have cost to build them. I'm not going to blame the club for that as I know you've had multiple owners, but I always think it's odd when clubs don't do everything they can to bring willing payers in.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
This has probably been a loss of revenue for Dundalk for years now, any sort of bad weather and away fans will not travel in big numbers, there are 200 seats kept free in stand for away fans, but I get it loads will prefer to stand.
Stick a damn roof on guys, both sides of the stand, it can't be too hard, or expensive, yes the away toilets were built, but at least 5 years late.
Thats wot we should be doing imo as fair enough we have made massive improvements to our ground since mid 90s but its gas where section o was in the old days before Stephen Kenny took charge there was shelter the whole length of the sideline yet since we moved to all seater we never thought of having shelter for where we stand! Not only would that massively increase the atmosphere inside our ground but more fans would attend our matches as I strongly suspect thats the reason for our crowds dropping dramatically since mid 00s.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Maybe a bit off topic here Martinho but out of interest if some roofing was put behind the goal would Section O lads consider relocating? Might help the presentation of the place to put fans on camera.
Just on this, I was talking about the toilets in the home section of the ground which were built, probably 10 years ago now. They were as part of a two sided building with extra dressing rooms (to be used by teams renting the pitch and sometimes the club's underage teams). Home supporters used to be without any toilets in the ground too, many used to go behind the Shed instead of walking to the stand!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Agree on away toilets. Something other than portaloos should have been put up. That's been done now, presumably they're the exact same toilets for the Shed side as for the away end in those two cabins, although I've not been in them so don't know what they're like!
An exciting post-lockdown adventure on the cards!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
Well the wall behind the Town Goal has been painted during this hiatus,Jet black, so I hope the sides of The Stand were done too. We have such high expectations for Oriel this is newsworthy...
Ah they're there since April last year. They were painted later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
https://twitter.com/markdevlin7/stat...491841/photo/1
I think the away toilets are bigger, and they have a wheelchair ramp, I heard also mod cons inside liekl two sinks and windows that open.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
Noticed the wall behind the goal painted all black on photos, it will clean it up.
But for christ sake, while they consider new stand to built, words from Chairman Bill H (beleive that when I see thwe JCB's up) I can't understand why they wont put an L shape roff both sides of the stand.
The obvious place for a new stand is behind the town goal, already have the state of the art footpath there and plenty of space, unless there are plans to extend the stand both sides.
I awlays thought having two sections on the side, half the current height and use the existing entrances would be just the ticket, would probably add another 1k covered seats to the side of the ground and would look great, wouldn't effect anything behind either for obtructions.
Yeah would consider it as I know with the peno shootout Bohsmug v Cabo last season we relocated behind the goal where the shootout took place. But the only part of the ground behind the goals thats currently in use is on the N5 side. The other end is closed due to H&S as that area has deteoriated badly. Even if it was for one half would do it no bother as the cameras do be on Section O end of ground anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
The DCC have moved the dugouts in Dalymount to the Jodi side of the pitch. Will be interesting to see if they've shifter the pitch slightly (which would include moving the posts, or narrowed it or just used the existing space on the jodi side of the pitch.
Just seen that it appears they're just using the existing space
I see that one of the houses that is directly in front of the forecourt at Oriel Park is up for sale. I'd love to think that the club would be quickly in to buy it with a view, over time, to own such properties that landlock the ground. In the mean time the house could be used for some players to stay rather than rent other rooms around the town. I'd reckon that the rent paid out for a 4 or 5 room house like this elsewhere if not bought outright would cover the cost of a mortgage so no real change in cost to the club!?
*Back garden is big enough to add to the forecourt straight away - im sure other neighbours would be delighted at the prospect.....ready made beergarden for the Lilywhite Lounge!
https://img2.propertypal.com/sd/p/642782/21225382.jpg
Cracking garden. Certainly would make a nice outdoor addition to any pub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
A snip at only €350,000!
Dont ruin the dream Nigel;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Its a nice house too and on the Carrick Road which is pricy in general. Sure it's only the wages of a couple of fringe players!
A 5 bed house currently in Dundalk can cost 2k a month (the only one available at the moment is 3k but looks plush!). I'm sure the club are paying premium rates to rent for some players as part of their contracts. So why not consider a mortgage instead of dead rent money out, gain the asset and it could be an added amenity of the club, especially the lounge as a proper outdoor area. If ye were ever in Kennedys beer garden on a sunny match day and ye could get some of that crowd using the Lilywhite it wouldnt be long adding to the bar takings. If Oriel is ever to be developed acquiring property around the club if or when it becomes available should be seriously looked at at least. The house beside the main entrance was up for sale a number of years ago too an additional space in that area is badly needed, and get rid of those containers used for ticket sales. Pipe dreams but not impossible or that risky either. If the money was there the derelict Derryhale Hotel should have been considered just for the carparking alone!
Dundalk should defo buy it ... be nice to have an asset to sell for when it all goes tits up. :eek:
Thats the way...Hiney Park saved us in the past!!
You'd hardly find somewhat that stupid twice.
Buy it in a separate company to protect it :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
Does peak6 own the land that the training centre is built on?
I could be wrong but I think they own everything but the land area on the actual pitch. From any previous owner arrangement the club owned the buildings and all fixtures and fittings but not the pitch, in theory they will also own the artificial surface if that could be removed.
That garden is the business, I would have walked past it hundreds and hundreds of times, never saw inside, looks to be better than what most pubs would offer.
Quiet enough nationwide on the development of football facilities but in Cobh the four clubs (LOI, Intermediate, Junior and Schoolboys) have come together to build a new training facility, including a brand new floodlit Astro and floodlit pitch. Ramblers underage LoI sides will likely play here going forward. Work started this week and the final funds are now being raised. Any support appreciated in these tough times https://gf.me/u/y2qhh6
Casement work gets government approval: https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/10...m-ni-minister/
You do have to wonder if it is really needed though.
It's a purely political project that risks creating a major white elephant.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Antrim GAA doesn't need a stadium anywhere near that size, and will continue using the club ground it does now for football (can't recall it's name - but it's being refurbished) for a lot of fixtures, and Loughgiel for Hurling. The GAA has said it will potentiially hold Ulster Finals there but the 34,000 capacity of Casement makes it smaller than Clones, and then you have to factor in that 20% of all gate income goes on VAT in the north. Given what we all know about the GAA, there's no way they're going to happily sell less tickets and pay more tax to the queen to hold games there rather than Clones. So who is going to use the facility ? No doubt the GAA will look to get Garth Brooks and co in there as often as they can to raise money for themselves, so it risks being more of a concert venue than a sporting one. Though its location in the part of the city with the worst transport links (e.g. no rail) makes moving large numbers of people to and form there at the same time a real challenge.
It will also leave Belfast with 3 major stadiums for a city smaller than Bristol, with all 3 stadia rarely operating at full capacity (Ravenhill being the exception). And then you have to factor in that roughly half of Belfast is in Co Down, rather than Antrim, so what would they care about going to watch a different team for ?
The only positive in this is that it should now hasten the release of funding that the northern government has set aside for club football stadia.
Casement is purely a vanity project for the GAA, politicised as they just want a major footprint and presence in Belfast. Public funding should not go to single use facilities, especially the GAA and their general stance on grounds hosting 'Garrison Games'. No problem with American Footbaal so it is prejudice based.
I would tend to agree, with the caveat that they do need to do something with the site, which has become an overgrown eyesore. But a 34K stadium isn't the answer.
But the site is an eyesore because the GAA jumped the gun and shut it down unnecessarily to help push the case for regeneration. It was perfectly viable for Antrim games when they left it (bar maybe a small amount being spent on it). They strategically turned the site into an eyesore to strengthen their own case - and it came back to bite them because it didn't get the easy approval they had hoped it would. They just lazily assumed all the fenians in West Belfast would support a huge stadium on their doorstep unquestioning because it was de GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
A nice non-LOI stadium that would be a superb blueprint for most clubs here.
AFC Wimbledon return to Plough Lane in their new 9,000 capacity fan-funded stadium in a few weeks time.
Fans raised £7m to make the project a reality. A very impressive 4,500 seater main stand with a huge function room and bar, shops, and all associated extras. Three semi-permanent stands around the rest of the pitch.
Maybe something for the likes of Peak 6 to have a look at for Oriel Park..
Facebook video here:
It appears that the costs are more in the region of £30mQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
https://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/club/...um/stadium-qa/Quote:
Q: How much is it all costing?
A: Approximately £30 million - although not all of this is down to construction. This figure also includes the money we’ve already spent to date. It doesn’t include, however, the financing costs that accrue during construction.
Q: How is the cost broken down?
A: This information is commercially confidential but it includes: the design and construction work performed by Buckingham to deliver the first phase of the stadium; IT; furniture, fixtures and fittings; consultancy fees; a contribution to a controlled parking zone; ramp-up costs for commissioning the new stadium; and a contingency for any unforeseen costs.
It's impressive stadium even if it is outside the means of any club in Ireland without significant Govt support
https://www.facebook.com/afcwimbledo...63731400996834
Future stadiums in 3D time-lapse.
https://youtu.be/vVkiD-oUXDQ
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Originally Posted by Johnnie C
And 0% accurate.
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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Yeah no Oriel Park!! Whats that about!?
Harps launch a Car Draw to help improve training facilities: https://newyearnewcar.ie/
All support much appreciated. :)
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Originally Posted by D24Saint