American commentary is bizarre. "Savos - trying to make a circus play" from the start of that second clip. WTF is a circus play supposed to be?!
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American commentary is bizarre. "Savos - trying to make a circus play" from the start of that second clip. WTF is a circus play supposed to be?!
Circus play, in American football, where a receiver offloads a ball quickly into on onrushing playmate going in another direction.
And what about in soccerball?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Still no idea what any of that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
You're the smart guy, you go 'figure' what he mean't by circus play, based on the movement of Sarvas :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
First you have to figure out where Sarvas is on the pitch.
Btw, I'd say most Irish people in the south grew up with the term 'soccer'.
But I can't speak for those who grew up in the united kingdom.
Ha, what about those of dual experience? My use can vary depending on context, but I generally refer to association football as "football" and Gaelic football simply as "Gaelic". I remember GAA lads in my class, most of whom would have been from rural Derry, would have used "soccer", while my father, primarily a GAA man himself, would use "football" to refer to Gaelic football. I've always thought of it as a bit of a rural-urban thing - I think most people I know from the city would just use "football" and "Gaelic" for the two respective codes - if it not being determined by whichever of the two codes captured one's primary interest. I wouldn't tend to use "soccer" unless I was in conversation with someone who had already referred to Gaelic football as "football" and there was a need for a distinction to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Relatedly, this Dublin-Kerry semi-final is scintillating viewing.
I've always used the two nouns interchangeably. Probably more football than soccer, but neither is right or wrong in my opinion.
Soccer is soccer and football is Gaelic football in the majority of this country much like in the States where football is American football. Most junior leagues call themselves soccer leagues rather than football except around Dublin.
It's football for me anyway!
It's soccer. Football is that great game between Dublin and Kerry last Sunday
Whether you use only 'football' or only 'soccer' or alternate between both, is not really the point.
We know that people in Ireland grow up with all three possibilities.
The point I make is, it's a nonsense to mock the general usage of the word 'soccer' in the USA as demonstrating some level of ignorance, whether it's ignorance on the use of English or knowledge of sport. In fact such mockery just demonstrates the stupidity of those who mock such usage.
That one where they use their hands all the time?! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Duly acknowledged! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Football for me, as mentioned gah hasnt a whole lot of football skills (bar two/three teams) these days, wasnt their one team that had a few players who didnt even manage to kick the ball in croker during the whole of a game.!
And Americans say soccer!:)
Of course, Gillette Soccer Saturday and Soccer AM are broadcast on British television every weekend.
I think more generally 'circus' would be used where might say trick play or trick, first examples I could find on youtube were inQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
basketball and involved some sort of tricky play, for example you can find the 10 ten circus shot which we would call trick shots.
But other play like bouncing the ball between a player legs might be call a circus play or any kind of play involving some sort of trick.
Were I American I might have called myself circus_colour or circusy_colour, even worse than my current id!
I suspect that might be because Gillette is an American company harder to explain Soccer AM though (but it's current, not original sponsor is Gillette).Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
However Gillette launched a youtube channel recently and it's called Gillette Football Club, I guess they must have been aware of the kind of
hostility they would generate if they called it Gillette Soccer Club!!
Soccer Saturday is more for alliterative reasons thought up by some marketing guy I reckon, Soccer AM is probably hipper and cooler than Football AM, again thought up by some marketing guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I call it soccer more often than not, it can depend who I'm talking to. I'll sometimes really emphasise the Soccer thing when I'm talking to my Dub friends, just to get a reaction eg "I'll be up in the Big shmoke Friday for the Soccer v Sweden".
But I'm a culchie and don't even like football (the native kind) that much, more of a hurling man.
One of the major reasons why usage of the word 'soccer' in Ireland písses some people off, is because it implies the obvious, that gaelic football is still the biggest sport.
The soccer aficionados seek to confiscate the sole usage of the word 'football' with the fanatical zeal of someone waving a bible.
Maybe that has something to do with their own inferiority complex, elements of antagonism, bigotry and condescension towards GAA and possibly culchies.
I use the word soccer to avoid confusion about what I'm talking about, simple as that. And I'm a Dub by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
If I say football it is unclear if I'm talking soccer or GAA.
And as I mentioned before, it's often very confusing when I speak anyway without adding more confusion
which is a little strange, the word soccer orginated in England, it comes from association footballQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
I've read Danny Kelly's article about Keane in today's Indo twice, and I still can't decide if he likes Keane or not: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29554327.html
Really? Very interesting. Thanks for that little fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Which is the term I use if there's any doubt, never soccer. Even if it is a bit of a mouthful.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Just a habit I suppose, picked up from my da.
Didnt know that, interesting, but yeah I know its origins, but no one now uses that term in England, and yeah if it phisses a few gah heads off as well then thats a bonus:pQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Surely you'd be circus_color or circusy_color?Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Because soccer and football are interchangeable terms in Britain and a lot of other places, and as OMTY explained the alliteration in Soccer Saturday is lovely.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I call soccer both soccer and football and I call Gaelic football gaaaah or Gaelic. A lot of people would be the same around here.
I thought most people knew that one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Why would that information p´iss off GAA folk? it just demonstrates the origins of the word soccer.
If anybody gets píssed off, it usually is soccer fans (bizarrely) reacting against against the use of the word 'soccer' to describe assoc football.
And this is bizarre in the extreme, in an Irish context.
I find it funny when English-speakers criticise Americanisms when many of them are actually rooted far more in English-English than the currently used in England. The words 'garbage' and 'trash' are in Shakespeare, for god's sake.
Before it was called Soccer is was called Assoccer apparently, I always wondered why it was called Soccer as the S is the thirdQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
letter of association.
It should really be called sew-ch-er or as the c in soccer is a lot hard than the one in association.
Lots more here
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index....e-word-soccer/
Because they think "real football" is the gah. When you start talking about football they think gaelic, and wont be for turningQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
And yes the term soccer does annoy I admit - even with its origins
In my experience, GAA people are much more precious about "protecting" the term football for their use than football supporters, correcting you if you dare to use it for association football. Association Football, Rugby Football, GAA Football - they're all fecking football. No one bloody owns the term. There's a patheticness in Ireland about insisting it's the GAA version that gets sole use of the term - it's insecurity about competing with World games.
What a bizarre discussion.
In every country the native/popular code generally gets called football.
I call gaelic football, football. I call association football, soccer. Generally for clarity's sake.
Sometimes I call soccer, football , sometimes I don't. And sometimes I call throw-in, kick-off.
Who gives a rats.
COYBIG!
Ha yes i agree, i only pop in here to see how Robbie is doing in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I dont really care that much!:D
Liar...
;)
you don't care so much you all but hijacked a thread to get your point acrossQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Cop on, I didnt hijack it at all (was there before i gave an opinion)Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
anyway robbie scored!
Its no coincidence that Robbie is always the guy poaching all these goals for us. A true Irish sporting legend. I hope he continues for another campaign. For those who use the 'he never scores in big matches', last night was yet another thorn in that argument.
I believe last night was only the second game we have ever lost in which Robbie has also scored.
Wow. 3-2 v Russia was the other?