Originally Posted by
an_ceannaire
I fail to see your point….where did I say you needed to win trophies to be classed as "not a failure" …I never said that, Many successful players and great players never won a trophy, ala Shearer…all I am saying he was a failure at Liverpool, Which he was. Not because Liverpool didnt win anything, but because he personally failed there. I hardly think thats in doubt...he couldnt get in the team, and when he did missed chance after chance bar a few good goals but nothing like enough to say he was anything other than a failure at the pool. Its hardly me attacking him as a footballer, all i am saying is, at a top club, he failed. And, he did.....