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He proved that Yakin could tear him a new one before Ferguson switched him to left back.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
TBH, I think he played his best football for man utd in hsi first season as a left back. After that, he found his level... sitting on the bench behind real left backs like Evra and Heinze.
Aye, Cunningham was a really intelligient player. I don't think O'Shea has the intelligience. A bit like Phil Babb. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
at least phil babb put in a few decent displays for us over a short period of time, although once mcgrath retired that was the end of him. O shea has yet to do that. He needs to be completely and utterly dropped from both Man u and Ireland and made work for a place on each team. then we might find out whether he is @rsed or not.
He should be for Ireland what he is for Man Utd - a sub and a emergency utility player. For all his weaknesses, he does that role well for Man Utd. Putting him into a starting 11 for Ireland usually at center back, the position he performs least at for Man Utd (goalkeeper excepted :p), does him or the team no favours at all.
I think the only place he hasnt played is up front, yet ironically he is prone to having a few balls go in the net off his a**.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metrostars
The point in relation to aggression / bottle is pertinent to O'Shea. He seems to allow opposing players to bully him off the ball and then at times over compensates by giving away needless free kicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Many celebrated centre half's have built a career based on bottle, sheer determination and moderate ability. The point is - players in the past have acquired a sh*t load of caps based on a battling attitude and will to win.
If O'Shea scrapped for every ball and battled, added to his basic ability on the ball - his effectiveness would increase and he would be a much more viable option for Ireland.
United's back four are a solid unit without O'Shea and he's not a midfielder. His performances in midfield for club and country have clearly illustrated that he has no natural instinct for the position.
He too often takes the wrong option, picks the wrong pass and doesn't make the correct intervention. Most midfield players have played there since they were 10 years old and naturally pick the right option - what chance has O'Shea got.
A move to another club, under the right circumstances, could rejuvenate his career - although he seems happy on the bench at the minute.
nice one ... who knows it might give steve staunton another option now :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
steve staunton has only one option, resignation!!
All the points you made are well presented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
If he could only improve one part of his game then that would be more than enough to compensate for other weaknesses and maybe even improve them. He has so much ability that you'd think it would burn a hole in his brain that a battling decent enough defender like Vidic has taken his position.
High praise indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by danonion
O'Shea is picked for Ireland because he at the Scum, note he hardly ever starts for them but hes a "big" name player. His performance for Ireland have been nothing short of shambolic.
Your use of the word "Scum" suggests to me that you are not the most objective when it comes to this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldini98
The fact that O'Shea came through the youth setup at ManU and made the break through into the first team meant that he was hyped by the media. You can't ignore the fact that the last Irish player to come through the youth setup at one of the top 4 clubs in England was probably Steve Staunton. It doesn't happen very often and list of players who have done it is impressive in terms of quality, it is usually a very good indicator of future international success. John O'Shea seems to be the exception to the rule.
O'Shea went to England after his leaving cert. No more went through the youth set up than most other Irish internationals who went to play for English clubs.
I'm almost afraid to ask, how did he play last night?
For someone you would hope was trying to force his way into the first team, he wasn't bad, but not outstanding, could have had his second goal in 2 games from a corner.
He played alright, did his job, and hit a crossbar from a header off a corner.
apparently a ball bounced off his head and hit the crossbar:D
agh too late
hes a below average footballer, who is always lathargic and uninterested when playing for ireland
Ferguson seems to rate him very highly though and id rate his opinion higher than most of the people who bad mouth O'Shea. Before the game Ferguson during the interview was bigging up the job that O'Shea had against Lille. He can be sloppy at times with his passing, its as if he switches off at times but personally i felt he looked more impressive than Carrick. But the one big problem i have with O'Shea was evident last night. United had a free 30 yeards out. O'Shea stood infront of the Lille player on the side of the wall. The Lille player pushed him away and O'Shea simply walked away. For a guy of his size and stature i really really wish he would toughen up. If he had the attitude of Alan Smith even he would be a much better player IMO
He looked alright today against Boro. Made some very good passes and I don't remember him giving away possession at all.
I raised an eyebrow at the commentator saying "Intelligent pass by O'Shea!"
Now that said, I think he should be used more as a utility player for us unless we get creative working with formations.
Man U's 4-3-3 they've been playing the last couple of games could be an option with our generally poor midfield options.
--------------Given------------
Finnan----Dunne---O'Dea---Carr
---O'Shea---Carsley---Kilbane---
---McGeady---Doyle---Keane----
Any takers?
Not for me. What does he offer? He's not great at tracking back, he's not a great passer, he's just not a great player. I'd stick him in at left back because there's nobody else but there's much better options than him for midfield.
Unfair on Duff btw. One of the few players that couldn't be trying harder when playing for Ireland.
I'm a big fan of Duff but he's in a bad patch of form.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
My lineup is definitely not an obvious route to take, but if we're to salvage anything from this campaign I think a fresh tactical approach may be necessary.
Duff and McGeady are interchangeable for me on that lineup for the record, don't see much between the two at this point.
ah now, we all know that its just a matter of time before keith foy covers the left back slot so were fine there.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
In the game against Boro my remote control hit the floor when I saw O´Shea with elbows sharpened (a la Heinze) go up for a ball against 2 opponents, flatten one of them, then squared up to the other with eyes blazing in a flash of anger. I thought that's great John, show them who's boss, but no he spends the next 5 minutes apologising to the player.
haha.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
For all the stick he gets he gets through it. probally the most average player in the premier but very versitile.
Every cubic centimetre of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SligoBrewer
In fairness to his comment about winning trophies, there were many people slating Damien Duff for lack of ambition at leaving Chelsea to get first team football, now the same voices are raised calling for JOS to leave Utd for first team football. I agree that he'll never be a great player as a utility stop-gap though and an extra bit of agression could really make him.
never gonna happen with o shea. watched him against lille in the game in old trafford and his passing was so appaling. i mean unless it was a square 5 yard pass it was going astray.
he's happy with his 25k a week or whatever he's earning. a journeyman if ever there was one.
Oshea out
stan out.
I see John O'Shea has now scored more Premiership goals than Shevchenko this season. May be Stan should play him up front :D
I always thought O'Shea to be the Diego Maradona of the Irish training ground. That could be the only reason he gets picked consistently. Now he's starting to show it on the United pitch also (though unfortunately not the Ireland one).Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Credit where it's due - that's two very important goals he's got for them. Very fortunate circumstances on Saturday though & he was a bit lucky not to cost them the game against Middlesbrough. It's a fine line...
indeed credit where its due-he's performed way better than his usual atrocious standards and is only playing badly now as opposed to "how did he get a contract" badly.
nice lad still though.
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
SHhhhhh... Shudd uupp!!!
Why? Look at Keane and Berbatov, O'Shea would be perfect in the Berbatov role... Go on Stan ya know you want to... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
ur u havin a laff?.....is he havin a laff??
O Shea is playing very well at the moment and it was not a penalty against Middlesbrough as he touched the ball in my view.
:D :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
He did indeed touch the ball in fairness. Unfortunately it was about 2 seconds after he kicked the Middlesboro player's legs out from under him.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
another blinkered view on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
o’shea has been playing well recently with a few important goals thrown in. doesn’t always do it for us but not as bad as some people on here make out