New Irish manager

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I would not have Dowie for the job at all. Other than the amazing season he ad with Palace where he got them promoted he has been poor.

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I think more than anything we need a manager that'll focus on good attractive passing football. I'm not a fan of the basic 4-4-2 with out and out wingers like Hunt who's job is littke more than to beat players and send crosses in. I'd rather a team with the 2 Reid's, Duff and Keane given the freedom to link up with no one set formation. I'd love to see us play the 4-5-1/4-3-3 Roma formation. The players we have are ideal for that system.

In Dowie's press conference when he got the Charlton job he mentioned "attractive football" a few times. He tried to build his team around Andy Reid which says it all. Actually, here's Reid talking about him:

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"They just don't understand how hard he works on the training pitch and how good he is as a coach and manager.

"I know the results have not been that great but that isn't down to him. That is down to the players.

"He picks the team he thinks is best and most of the time it is. But the players haven't gone out and done their jobs.

"A manager can't legislate for that and I find it hard that people are giving him stick so early into his Charlton reign.

"Certainly he is the reason I joined the club.

"When I came and spoke to him before signing, I was really impressed by him. Now I am even more impressed."

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I trust guys like Reid. Dowie is a tactician and you can tell how knowledgable he is by listening to him on Match of the Day. You can also tell Souness is knowledgable when you hear him talk about the game but he lacks the man management skills. Dowie doesn't.

SO why was he average at Palace in the Premiership and then also when they got relegated and was very average at Charlton, although I agree he did not get much time there to prove himself. Mid table at the moment with Conventry but they have a very tight budget to work with. I think he is pretty average and would be below what we should be looking for to be honest. But a whole lot better than Staunton I would agree.

Agree with that we need to get a Manager to fit our style of play - surely playing for your country would be motivation enough. That said, I don't think Dowie's the man - too much of a long ball merchant and loves his rigid formation with fast wingers.

Definitely think that we should be looking at someone with a degree of tactical flexibility - in my opinion the best football that I have seen us play was under Kerr with Elliott and Keane up front and Duffer roaming behind - the interlinking play was a real menace.

Would be interested to see what Foppe de Haan has to offer - sounds very promising having won the U21'S for the last two years and being seen as the best coach in Holland. With Chris Hughton or Pat Rice assisting could be a nice set up.

Failing that Houllier or George Burley play decent football.

How about Houllier with Kerr as his no. 2? They are pals after all.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

SO why was he average at Palace in the Premiership and then also when they got relegated and was very average at Charlton, although I agree he did not get much time there to prove himself. Mid table at the moment with Conventry but they have a very tight budget to work with. I think he is pretty average and would be below what we should be looking for to be honest. But a whole lot better than Staunton I would agree.

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Celtic fans asked the same questions about Strachan.

Problem with some Celtic fans is some of them have still not taken to Strachan despite his achievements there.

I don't think it's necessarily a "problem with Celtic fans". Like its ingrained in them to be unreasonable or stupid. Some don't like his personality, his questionable record with previous clubs, his constant disciplinary issues, the poor football last season, the baffling selections and team-tinkering, signings, surrender to Smiths rangers, Artmedia, etc etc! and I'm quite a fan of the guy!
Anyway I'm not too well up on World football managers but do other countries seriously consider hiring the likes of Dowie etc - managers with relegation records and plenty of experience in a second tier division? Is this the best we can hope for? How can what we would consider lesser football nations (australia, finland, poland, japan, etc etc) hire guys we would nearly donate a left bollick to get?

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Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic

Anyway I'm not too well up on World football managers but do other countries seriously consider hiring the likes of Dowie etc -

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Very good point actually.

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Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic

I don't think it's necessarily a "problem with Celtic fans". Like its ingrained in them to be unreasonable or stupid. Some don't like his personality, his questionable record with previous clubs, his constant disciplinary issues, the poor football last season, the baffling selections and team-tinkering, signings, surrender to Smiths rangers, Artmedia, etc etc! and I'm quite a fan of the guy!
Anyway I'm not too well up on World football managers but do other countries seriously consider hiring the likes of Dowie etc - managers with relegation records and plenty of experience in a second tier division? Is this the best we can hope for? How can what we would consider lesser football nations (australia, finland, poland, japan, etc etc) hire guys we would nearly donate a left bollick to get?

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Jesus 2 leagues and a champions league quarter final what more do u want. Sorry I know off topic but come on thats madness.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Nonsense. Much as Delaney shafted Kerr it was Kerr's horrendously negative tactics in both games against Israel that did for him, had we banked 6 points as we should have instead of 2 then Delaney wouldn't have been able to shaft Kerr as we would've topped the group. There's a lot of revision being touted around about Kerr recently, getting rid of him was the right thing to do (only Given saved him from a Stan-esque defaet away to Cyprus and the home draw against the Swiss was as bad as what we witnessed last Wednesday), our problems just intensified with the replacement we got.

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it's not revisionist to say that we were promised a better manager and that we should have made sure that was what we were going to get rather than the usual act first think later approach the fai delivered.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Jesus 2 leagues and a champions league quarter final what more do u want. Sorry I know off topic but come on thats madness.

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campions league 1/8th final but yes still an excellent achievement exiting in extra time to the eventual winners

personally i would be against souness , not becasue of the rangers thign but because since he left rangers he has won two league cups with a variety of english clubs and not withstanding his turkish achievement i think thats a poor record. not to mention his history of player bust ups.

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Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic

Anyway I'm not too well up on World football managers but do other countries seriously consider hiring the likes of Dowie etc - managers with relegation records and plenty of experience in a second tier division? Is this the best we can hope for? How can what we would consider lesser football nations (australia, finland, poland, japan, etc etc) hire guys we would nearly donate a left bollick to get?

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Excellent point, we want somebody who would be in demand by these type of countries not second tier english clubs. Of the list that was posted earlier realistically how many would be sought by other countries very few.

Mostly has been's and never were's (in a mangerial sense)

We MUST go the respected international coach route or we are Donald ducked.

Please god not the DOL or ex irish international route.

If i had a choice it would be Jurgen Klinsmann - but i doubt he would want it or that they could afford him

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

it's not revisionist to say that we were promised a better manager and that we should have made sure that was what we were going to get rather than the usual act first think later approach the fai delivered.

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No, it's not. I was purely talking about Kerr's record and the reason his contract wasn't renewed. Like this 'he didn't get two campaigns nonsense. He had a full campaign and all bar 2 games in one campaign, needed to win his last 2 games in that to qualify and we drew at home to Russia and were then abysmal away v the swiss. All that seemed to be forgotten after a glorious nil all victory in Paris.

You're dead right about what we were promised though, it was a farce from the off.

what time are the FAI meeting today? Can someone please give O'Leary and Souness a job so we don't have to interview em.....

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

what time are the FAI meeting today? Can someone please give O'Leary and Souness a job so we don't have to interview em.....

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souness is going to bolton

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

it's not revisionist to say that we were promised a better manager and that we should have made sure that was what we were going to get rather than the usual act first think later approach the fai delivered.

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In this case we have circa nearly 5 months to get a decent proven manager given that the fixtures only get sorted out around March.

After the world Cup draw at the end of November our task will be clearer and the international scene would have been cleared up as to who is going to Euro 2008, contract extensions etc and just who is available/willing.

I hope the FAI take their time and get it right and not just appoint DOL/ex international to get the media/fans of their back.

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Originally Posted by Ozymandias

souness is going to bolton

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Great, another club for the managerial cancer that is Graeme Souness (no disrespect to cancer) to destroy.

It would sicken me to see him manage my nation. We'd know all about injuries and excuses then.

After last nights result against Newcastle Jol must be nearly out of a job and I think he's been unfortunate this season not to get the results. He's experienced, Dutch and seems to be able to get the best out of Robbie Keane, even dropping him when necessary.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

In this case we have circa nearly 5 months to get a decent proven manager given that the fixtures only get sorted out around March.

After the world Cup draw at the end of November our task will be clearer and the international scene would have been cleared up as to who is going to Euro 2008, contract extensions etc and just who is available/willing.

I hope the FAI take their time and get it right and not just appoint DOL/ex international to get the media/fans of their back.

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you are probably right of course about haing 5 months to find one, and i'm sure the FAI will not want to be paying someone during that period. However i would like a new manager appointed sooner than that for 3 reasons:
1. To allow them to familarise themselves with the players in the squad and time to assess the merits of them and other potential players.
2. It may be counter productive with more and more people ruling themselves out of the running, making the job seem way less attractive than it actually is!
3. I honestly couldn't take 5 whole months of speculation and 'exclusives'.

There'll be a vacancy at Tottenham soon enough and any top managers around will be looking at that or infact any other jobs that come up in the Premiership before they would look at Ireland.

Is under severe pressure at Spurs even more so after last nights results. I think he's a quality coach. Would the FAI approach him should he get the chop from spurs in the weeks to come? What is he on at spurs? €2m a year maybe

Next Permanent Irish Manager

David O'Leary 6 - 4
Martin O'Neill 28 - 1
Mick McCarthy 40 - 1

Graeme Souness 5 - 1
Peter Reid 28 - 1
Didier Deschamps 40 - 1

John Aldridge 10 - 1
Kevin Keegan 28 - 1
Glenn Roeder 50 - 1

Paul Jewell 12 - 1
George Graham 28 - 1
I Dowie 50 - 1

Gerard Houllier 16 - 1
Ray Houghton 28 - 1
Ron Atkinson 66 - 1

Lawrie Sanchez 20 - 1
Roy Keane 28 - 1
Stephen Kenny 66 - 1

Steve Coppell 20 - 1
John Toshack 33 - 1
Steve MacLaren 66 - 1

Liam Brady 20 - 1
Johnny Giles 33 - 1
John Sheridan 66 - 1

Steve Bruce 20 - 1
Martin Allen 33 - 1
Don Givens 66 - 1

Louis van Gaal 25 - 1
Ruud Gullit 40 - 1
Brian Kerr 80 - 1

Glenn Hoddle 25 - 1
Ronald Koeman 40 - 1
Eamon Dunphy 200 - 1

Chris Hughton 28 - 1
Kevin Moran 40 - 1
Jack Charlton 500 - 1

He has Spurs third from bottom. He has spent a fortune on players. Better than Stan but his confidence must be rock bottom. Wrong time for him to be considered.

what about charlton after being kicked out of newcastle??? he didnt do too bad. I would take Jol in a second. we are never going to be in the running for any manager who is on the top of his game.

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

Next Permanent Irish Manager

David O'Leary 6 - 4 dont want
Martin O'Neill 28 - 1 dont want/wouldnt take it
Mick McCarthy 40 - 1 dont want/Wouldnt take it

Graeme Souness 5 - 1 Dont want
Peter Reid 28 - 1 Dont want
Didier Deschamps 40 - 1 Wouldnt take it

John Aldridge 10 - 1 dont want
Kevin Keegan 28 - 1 dont want/wouldnt take it
Glenn Roeder 50 - 1 dont want

Paul Jewell 12 - 1 dont want/wouldnt take it
George Graham 28 - 1 dont want/wouldnt take it
I Dowie 50 - 1 dont want

Gerard Houllier 16 - 1 doubt would take it
Ray Houghton 28 - 1 dont want/wouldnt take it
Ron Atkinson 66 - 1 dont want

Lawrie Sanchez 20 - 1 dont want
Roy Keane 28 - 1 dont want/wouldnt take it
Stephen Kenny 66 - 1 dont want

Steve Coppell 20 - 1 dont want/doubt would take it
John Toshack 33 - 1 dont want
Steve MacLaren 66 - 1 dont want/doubt would take it

Liam Brady 20 - 1 dont want/wouldnt want it
Johnny Giles 33 - 1 dont want/wouldnt want it
John Sheridan 66 - 1 dont want/doubt would wnat it

Steve Bruce 20 - 1 dont want
Martin Allen 33 - 1 dont want
Don Givens 66 - 1 dont want

Louis van Gaal 25 - 1 wouldnt want it
Ruud Gullit 40 - 1 wouldnt want it
Brian Kerr 80 - 1 dont want/wouldnt want it

Glenn Hoddle 25 - 1 dont want/doubt would want it
Ronald Koeman 40 - 1 wouldnt want it
Eamon Dunphy 200 - 1 dont want /wouldnt want it

Chris Hughton 28 - 1 dont want
Kevin Moran 40 - 1 dont want
Jack Charlton 500 - 1 dont want/wouldnt want it

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new list please

Would anyone like to see aidy boothroyd as manager. I think he is the solution to all our problems. I think he would jump at the chance as well. I really admire the job he has done at Watford. What he has done with those players is beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by onephillyhughes

Great, another club for the managerial cancer that is Graeme Souness (no disrespect to cancer) to destroy.

It would sicken me to see him manage my nation. We'd know all about injuries and excuses then.

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Couldn't agree more. Although Souness is a decent panelist and knows a fair share about the game, that doesn't mean he is or ever was a good manager. He has proven to be extremely poor at man managment, squad selection and tactical aptitude..... Souness is incapable of admitting a mistake, learning from the mistake and moving on.

I especially remember his time at Benfica,bringing in an array of old british has-beens (or never-were's) , Michael Thomas, Steve Harkness, Dean Saunders, Gary Charles and Brian Deane. At an end of the season home game against Boavista he ordered the pitch to be watered, in an attempt to disrupt Boavista's passing style...Benfica lost 0-3, the first goal gifted to the opposition when Paulo Madeira slipped on the sodden surface.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by joeSoap

Next Permanent Irish Manager

Eamon Dunphy 200 - 1

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Man thats terrible odds :D

I see Roy Hodgson has entered the Paddy Power charts with a bullit, at 16/1.

Of all those listed on the current betting what about this. Louis van Gaal with David O'leary as assistant/advisor. To me that would be coming closer to a world class management team that was promised before. A recognised world class manager with someone along with him who knows the players.

It will never happen so it's pie in the sky.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

new list please

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very constructive - who do you want so?

Its a complete mystery to me as to how badly Spurs have started this season. Apart from King being out its the same team that finished in the top 6 last year. Berbatov is like a child the way he goes on and Defoe is only staying for the money, I dont think Jol can be blamed for this. Would have him over OLeary in a heartbeat.

Quality coach as you said but a poor tactician.

good coach, plays good football, but to be honest he has spent alot at tottenham and achieved zilch...we need a manager that is experieced at international management...Wouldnt mind van gaal to be honest or Houllier

He'd retain Robbie Keane as Captain.

He doesn't rate Andy Reid.

I seriously hope that the FAI are not even considering Souness, the one manager who possibly would even be worse than Stan. He destroyed Liverpool and Newcastle and did nothing of note at Southampton or Blackburn. How is he 5/1?

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Originally Posted by bigmac

very constructive - who do you want so?

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Read previous posts on this thread !.

An experienced manager of international teams. we know we are not going to get the top tier of managers Hiddinck, Scolari, Etc but there are a number of managers who could be available/tempted at the end of this campaign. Hodgson, Troussier, Beenhaker etc.

well keane has been superb for spurs now for a year and a half-its just that he's been poor for us particularly this campaign