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As a Bohs fan, I completely see it as another stunt to appeal to new hipster arrivals in Dublin 7. They wouldn't be my cup of tea but our increase in crowds and sponsorships lately is mainly to do with them, and without them, we'd still be languishing around 6th or 7th every season. In the absence of any Sugar Daddy, we've no hope of competing for leagues again without them.
Am I? Where do you see that in my posts exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Northsider
Do you want to tell me how much waste or carbon emissions Dalymount generates each year? Bearing in mind football grounds, by their very nature, are usually left idle.
But who knows - maybe the Justice Warrior will stop Bohs demolishing the environmentally-friendly carbon sink that is the condemned end and replacing it with a new plant-free, sunlight-reflecting, global-warming stand. Or maybe he'll convince Bohs to take the train to their European tie this year.
(I think Bohs11's post is spot on FWIW.)
It does really devalue the project and concept from the off if it is basically a publicity stunt or fan recruitment drive, though if it works Bohs wont care. I doubt there are too many here who would disagree that the whole climate change isnt a concern yet nearly everyone rolled eyes at this. Irelands 'Kult' club - maybe the Dropkick Murphys have driven past Phibsboro so can be put on the away jersey...
You're very angry about this whole thing. Do you always get so worked up about other club's initiatives?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Out of curiosity, why should football clubs not look to take climate change seriously ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Businesses need to take climate change seriously, and football clubs are businesses.
Society is increasingly looking for climate change to be taken seriously, and no sport better reflects its societies than football does.
So why shouldn't those things all be combined in a football club publicly taking climate change seriously, and working with others in society on that ?
He's not angry. He's laughing at you. You're being very defensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northsider
Personally, I'm all for this. I look forward to seeing Dalymount being reforested, and the team bus replaced with giant tandem bicycle.
I haven't said they shouldn't. In fact, I've said it should be the job of the General Manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
But a problem as serious as climate change needs a serious sense of perspective. A carbon-neutral Dalymount will do nothing for climate change. It's that infinitesimally tiny a factor. And an announcement like Bohs' can give society (or Bohs fans at least) a pat on the back they don't deserve while eating avocadoes and drinking almond milk flown in from half-way round the world, or protesting about water charges for excess usage, or buying fast fashion with dangerous dyes that are again shipped in from thousands of miles away, or flying in Bulgarians to pick our fruit because we don't want to pay local people proper wages to do it.
Ah he's deffo angry John. Read his next post.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Bohs have jacked-in football (no trophy in a decade, finished behind their great rivals 11 years running) for St Pauli-light hipster virtue-signalling. Fair enough and good luck with it but they'll have to forgive the rest of us pi**ing ourselves laughing at the whole farrago.
Almost choked on my almond milk there. Can`t remember Bohs fans flying in Bulgarian fruit pickers? Thought that was leading light of the bloodstock industry, Mr Keeling?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I can remember UCD flying in as many net worth individuals from the Gulf States as they could shoe horn into any available course though?
"Climate Justice" is certainly a big stretch to label what looks to be a good initiative to tie further in with other initiatives in the local community. Seems to have been influenced by a similar initiative in Hibs in Scotland.
Hilarious that an innocuous press release has triggered such a response when actual relevant player transfer news/rumours, i.e Rovers young player linked to Inter, O`Hora transfer to MK Dons, dont merit mention.
Do you realize that 1 Almond takes 3.5 liters of water to produce and 80% of the world's Almonds are grown in California which is badly drought afflicted. Mass almond farming like the ones in California are terrible for Biodiversity as they are using bees to Mass pollinate the farms - thousands of which get killed by pesticide's , as well as exhausting California’s aquifers – giant underground caverns full of water . These natural water sources took thousands of years to accumulate; now they are being used up faster than they can ever be refilled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I'd expect a statement from Bohemians asap announcing a cessation of all non organic Almond usage, all club vegans using Oat milk as standard, as a milk replacement and calling on the Irish government to ban all Almond imports from the US starting immediately.
I didn't say Bohs fans flew them in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I agree on the point re UCD.
The point is that Bohs can't possibly "play a leadership role in tackling climate change", and I'd actually argue it's unhelpful to suggest that a carbon-neutral Dalymount (still curious as to its actual emissions) is somehow playing such a role.
(And then you take things internationally of course and look at American usage of gas guzzler cars or high-energy AC units, or Chinese/Indian energy consumption trends, and you realise that even Ireland as a country would struggle to play such a role)
And of course if, like Bohs11, you can acknowledge the Climate Justice Officer thing is nonsense but that it might get a few more in through the gate, then I've no problems with that.
They could start by cutting down on their harmful production of replica jerseys and the harmful microplastics they contain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
That'd allow them quietly move away from the stance of thousands of Bob Marley jerseys (or whatever they were) sold abroad. :)
At first I didn't see how this Bohs appointment could make any difference at all to the battle against climate change.
Yet within hours the USA decided to rejoin the Paris Agreement.
A truly impressive achievement for the Boez.
:D:D Well spotted!Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
In response to Stu above, yes the title is overblown, the man himself has volunteered to lead this, and it remains to be seen whether there is any discernible benefit other than winding up other LOI fans.
Unfortunately I don`t see any circumstance for any crowds being admitted to any LOI ground before September 2021, at the earliest, so I don`t believe the initiative has any direct aim of getting numbers through the turnstiles (Bohs will probably be oversubscribed again from membership and season ticket holders for our limited capacity anyway).
Interesting. Can you give some examples of those intitiaves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
If it's a voluntary post, it'll hardly do any harm. The title is definitely drawing its share of ridicule though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I might volunteer to be UCD's anti-slavery officer.
Yep, all sounds quite reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I've already said that if it gets people through the gate, great. But ye have to be prepared to take the flak that goes with the "Justice" tag in particular!
Well when Dundalk launched the fundraising initiative for Temple St hospital it was Boh's fans that were most cynical about it and calling it purely a publicity stunt. There is a big difference between being 'angry' about this Bohs initiative and questioning the reasoning behind it. It can be both publicity for the club and focus attention on a cause, of course. But as was suggested by Bohs fans previously there are arguably more pressing issues to focus on, that could have greater direct impact in the locality. May not appeal to the targeted group, as the ultimate goal. I'm not critcising this project per se just that the perception is that its not really about climate 'justice' as presented at face value. If Bohs are on the ball on where govt. grants/funding is being directed and climate justice are the current buzz words for successful applications well its fair play - other than that its an odd allocation of funds for a club on a shoestring budget!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Northsider
This is it imo! I think people are tired of the almost militant sounding campaigns. Maybe im too focused on the semantics of the job title but the climate 'justice' thing made me groan before I even read any more about the project - its a bit off putting or switch off, for me, yet could be a genuinely positive and worthwhile project!Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
In fairness, I'm taking from the word "Officer" that, like the Supporters' Liaison Officer, it's a voluntary role. Though if Bohs want to spend €40k a year on someone to tell them to plant hash on top of the Des Kelly and sell the carbon credits to the Government, well, it's their money to do that if they want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
One thing I'll say is, there's going to be a lot of Government funding throw at "green" projects over the next few years. If having an "officer" who's keeping on top of what grants etc. are out there puts any club in a position to take advantage of them, than can only be a positive. There's likely to be opportunities in terms of upgrading club buildings, dressing rooms, water systems, etc. All too often league of Ireland clubs seems to miss out on capital grants so maybe this is one they could get ahead of the game on.
I'd have agreed with you before covid. I'm not sure how much money the government is going to have for projects like that now. Some, certainly, to placate the Greens but their attention will be elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
Yeah as a voluntary role it changes things a bit but there must be some budget set also though even if its just for postage stamps. If a club regularly call poor mouths, worn almost like a badge of honour and then allocate money to a relatively marginal campaign it drives skepticism, especially at a time when budgets are generally under (additional) pressure. But as has been said, it could be a masterstroke if its grant funded or in anticipation of accessing grants. I think in general anything that clubs do that creates positive exposure is good and badly needed, but I also think that without additional info eg that its a voluntary effort, that it may get as much ire as generate positive curiosity. I'll not lose sleep either way lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I think on the grants issue - aside from John83's comment that grant funding will almost certainly be cut back once we see the hole covid has left in the budget - it's an interesting angle, though green initiatives don't tend to be 100% grant-funded (I'd have thought). So if you're going, say, to put solar panels on the roof of Dalyer to heat the dressing room water, Bohs would still have to put money into that. And then it still comes back to the age-old question - does €10k get spent on a water systems upgrade, or on a new forward?
I dunno, the chatter is more about stimulus packages and with the EU/ECB dishing out cheap money rather than cutting back. There could well be increased pots of grants, especially for projects in covid weary communities. It wont be a return to austerity like cutbacks and could even be an opportunity for LoI clubs if they go about it the right way (and maybe what Bohs are doing). Id be a tad invested lol but if Bohs had announced some sort of 'covid community support officer' i'd have thought it was ingenious and would have god knows how much potential funding opportunities. Though undoubtedly there'd be people calling it cynical opportunism :D. The YDC at Oriel is made for a large scale vaccination centre, for example, so appointing a community officer like position to liaise with Dept of Health et al where even on match nights (in due course) there was a drop in centre/clinic for supporters...well it could place a club in a real position being an essential cog in the wheel on a pressing public health issue. I have the dreamer cap on and i'm wellll of thread topic never mind Bohs recent appointment but if its heading in the direction of LoI clubs being seen as more than just a side show for a strange bunch of football fans!Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
LOL, St Pauli copy, what a joke of a club. I guess not winning anything in over 12 years is cool too..Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Bohs have shown the way to being a sustainable club in the LOI. They have grown their crowds and membership despite not winning trophies and are firmly embedded in the community, far more than most clubs. They may make the odd misstep like the Bob Marley shirts but they have probably been the best run club in the league over the last few years.
That said, this is fecking hilarious. I do think everyone has a role to play in the issue but I am also well up for the slagging that has ensued.
If Dalymount is going to have a wrecking ball taken to it within the next 5 years it wouldnt be eligible for any green grants under current criteria. Buutt if there is a track record in place when it comes to building a new ground it could release additional funding for upgrading plans that would potentially save on running costs down the line. How much this would effect Bohs in that DCC will bear the cost of the build and make the savings with additional grants, short/medium term it'd make damn all difference to to the club's coffers that I can think of. If grant assisted work like solar panels get installed it'd be more an indication that the redevelopment has been kicked down the road by DCC (has a pet white waiter rafting project jumped the queue...). It'll certainly be interesting to see what comes out of this and if there are ideas that can be pinched. Some previous community projects by Bohs should be studied by other clubs!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Bohs crowds have grown over the last few years as they have had comparitive success on the pitch.
If they have a bad season it will be interesting to see how much the "comunity work" they have been doing counts for.
Bohs are very good at PR , if there were trophies awarded for this they would be going for the treble
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Originally Posted by Mr A
They've done some good work along with some absolutely laughable virtue signaling that seems to be aimed more at enriching Lambert's Linkedin profile than making any real impact.
And is it working? Bohs media team tell us it is but I'm not sure the attendance figures back that up. They had the largest rise in average attendance (+728) from 2018-19 (though it seems to have dipped pre-covid in 2020) and that's great but it is hardly ground breaking stuff given it was the first season they've vaguely competed for a trophy in a long time. Pat's and Rovers had similar jumps in average attendances from 2016-17 while Derry had close to Bohs increase from 2018-19 and none of those clubs had to to appoint a poet or grow their own tomatoes to do it. Rovers doubled their average from 2019-20 (pre covid). Bohs are now seeing about the same numbers they did in 2009. Maybe the membership numbers are more impressive? And maybe it is a great move towards sustainability and certainly admirable that they run a clean book given the lack of a major investor but......I'm unconvinced about the SJW stuff long term. Smacks of grifting from causes they can't genuinely help with.
That said, their donation of 10k of the Refugees Welcome jersey to buy laptops for children in Direct Provision was a nice touch as was the toy drive...they just seem to do one comical thing for every good thing. Which is fantastic for the rest of us as you've said.
Dundalk have confirmed Colovic has left, he had been out of favour since Sept, wasn't involved in cup final squad (I think).
He was on huge wages by all accounts, general view is they'll be happy to have offloaded as he had 2 years contract left. Pity he didn't work out as he showed glimpses, but Covid didn't help his settling in, that's for sure.
https://www.dundalkfc.com/stefan-returns-to-serbia/
I can see both sides of the angle with Bohs initiative. Maybe this new role could have being renamed better.
Bohs have being forward thinking for well over a decade with ie the clever graffiti around Dalymount etc. Maybe if they concentrated more on tidying up the terracing behind the goal imo. Have Bohs made any announcements for that terracing as it degrades their ground? Dalymount is one of my fav grounds except for the terracing.
Letting it grow wild for native species and the bees...Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Nah for as long as redevelopment of the whole ground is in the works i doubt it, there's little point in doing anything that'll cost.
Bohs pretty much had Dalymount sold out for 2020 so it was capacity holding them back. My point is that while some of the measures might be viewed as cringe on the whole they are growing their club and doing so sustainably. It helps of course that they have been decent on the field. Frankly a lot of your counter examples shipped heavy losses those years- fine if you have someone to cover it of course. But on the whole most clubs should be trying to learn from what has been happening at Dalymount in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
I see Lisa Fallon has been added to the staff at Galway. Serious push on there for promotion.
Maybe its the times that are in it or maybe its 'cause Caulfield himself hasnt shown to be an expansively thinking coach but are his comments a tad on the patronising side? Maybe if was an appointment as assistant, breaking new ground and additional experience is important but other than that she was already an experienced and highly regarded coach. Surely she already had understanding of coaching at 'at this level' having already been a 1st team coach with a double winning side never mind in an international setup!! If now is the right time why have her in a coaching setup 4 or 5 years ago. I hope JC's coaching ability has developed too and after all, the both have the same coaching qualification!
"Since the last occasion we worked together I have seen significant developments in Lisa's coaching ability. Her time in England has transformed her into a top coach and has given her the understanding and belief to coach at this level.
"Over there she was operating in the highest learning environment and it is clear to me that now is the right time for her to show her qualities which I believe in. I am delighted to have her on board."
From reading piece in the sun today Nesta I got a completely viewpoint about LF. According to JC LF was opposition analyst when at Cork CityQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Yup I had the 1st team coach at Cork probably wrong. But I still think his comments while intended as praise have something off about them. If it were a male coach via the same pathway I would likely think the same but I think the comments would differ. I cant put my finger on it and it could be my own disregard for Caulfield as a coach or that he spent most of his career in non-league football and didnt sustain his initial development in senior football - his coaching played a major role in his former club's decline almost out of existence!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
You're reaching. Big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I'm not sure how anyone could disregard Caulfield as a manager, you may not like his brand of football or whatever, but he's been Cork City's most successful manager and he's put it up to one of the best sides in the country for years, often getting the better of them.
No manager should be held responsible for a decline in their clubs financial state, that includes ourselves, when we went out of football for two seasons. The people responsible for that are the board that give the manager the budget, they should be held accountable. Every manager can only spend the money that they're given.
Managers can demand and boards capitulate - you cant absolve a manager absolutely, especially one that has earned a place of significant influence at a club and used that influence. Im not at all surprised that a Galway supporter has rode to the defence of their current manager though, and if he can replicate any of his success at Galway im sure he will become a club legend. Caulfield rise was as impressive as his fall. Yes Caulfield made his side competitive in a less flashy way as often expected these days - he saw that the old could become the new again in terms of tactics and had a sharp impact, the squad (+ resources) at his disposal could and should have resulted in even better with greater longevity though and the first time the wheels really came off he lost it, no experience of turning things around. I hope he has learned from that and it has transferred him in to a top coach. Time will tell, though if Galway end up in Europe i'm crediting his coaching teams influence!
Ultimately the buck stops with the board of every club. If a manager does poorly with that budget, then they're usually out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
You seem to have a dislike of Caulfield which is colouring your opinion of him. To be honest, it's far from me defending our manager, I'll be honest I was never a huge fan of Caulfield, I found him gruff, I think people went OTT about how poor his football was, but he was more direct. But I always begrudgingly respected how well he did with Cork City, and where he took them from when he took over. He's a winner. It's interesting you touch on the resources at his disposal, I'd be surprised if he ever worked with the same budgets as Dundalk did, Cork struggled to keep pace with Dundalk, and when there was huge cutbacks at the club after they had that poor season, they were always going to fall off. Peak6 are billionaires and they can afford a blip here or there like this season when Dundalk weren't ever really in the hunt.
I think anyone that says that Caulfield isn't a top manager in League of Ireland terms is a bit deluded or has a dislike of him. You can't deny what he has achieved at Cork City. Next season will be difficult for us, Shelbourne look like the favourites, but I think Caulfield will be worth a lot of points to us compared to the relatively inexperienced manager Shelbourne have in Ian Morris. We need to go up, whether that's through winning the league or the play-offs.
While on the subject of transfers, Conor Kearns has moved to Galway United from St Patrick's Athletic.
He didn't play a league game for Pats last year, it seems Brendan Clarke was voted their POTY.
Very happy with that signing, we have two very good young goalkeepers in Kearns and Kevin Horgan now. Both Premier Division quality really. Good competition.