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06/02/2023, 11:49 AM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

I doubt if Bazunu would be too impressed if a fella that is hardly playing was picked before him. I wouldn't blame Bazunu for that either

He probably should stop conceding so many goals so. The xG stats are a real concern. I think in fairness though he'd understand if Kelleher started in March tbh.

I wonder if he could have come for either of the crosses Brentford scored from? The second more so than the first I think. Tough call as they weren't from far out enough to comfortably read the flight of the ball, but even a punch on either and the header doesn't come in. He seems to flap at a cross or two a game and I wonder if that stops him committing for more crosses?

Whoscored rated him 5.52 for the game, and strangely Southampton's two centre-backs both got 7+ (strangely because they've generally been crap all season) Not sure why the low score but maybe it's as simple as he conceded three goals from four shots and didn't really pull off any good saves, etc, to warrant a higher score
06/02/2023, 12:21 PM
SkStu

Not getting into the "who is better" argument but wouldn't it be a touch hypocritical for Kenny to bench Bazunu (still starter for a Premier League side and playing ok) for Kelleher who cant buy a game and as such we have no real body of evidence when he dropped McGrath and others from the squads for not having any game time?
06/02/2023, 12:41 PM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I wonder if he could have come for either of the crosses Brentford scored from?

No. Good decision making not to come for those balls. First cross the Brentford player wanted it more, second cross was slack defending to give a free header.
Just for balance, the local newspaper says the following

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Gavin Bazunu - Rounded by Yoane Wissa inside the first ten minutes but was relieved to see the forward hit the crossbar. Did well to claim the ball after a flick on from a long throw while Christian Norgaard closed him down. Could do little for the goals conceded as Brentford players were allowed time and space to pick out their spots. 6
https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport...atings-8112703

I think he did fine but it�s three goals against. Southampton�s manager post-match comments are telling, all a bit of a shambles really.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Not getting into the "who is better" argument but wouldn't it be a touch hypocritical for Kenny to bench Bazunu (still starter for a Premier League side and playing ok) for Kelleher who cant buy a game and as such we have no real body of evidence when he dropped McGrath and others from the squads for not having any game time?

Maybe Max O�Leary can be brought into the Bazunu or Kelleher conversation? But he had a blunder at the weekend.
06/02/2023, 1:14 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I wonder if he could have come for either of the crosses Brentford scored from? The second more so than the first I think. Tough call as they weren't from far out enough to comfortably read the flight of the ball, but even a punch on either and the header doesn't come in. He seems to flap at a cross or two a game and I wonder if that stops him committing for more crosses?

I actually think you're losing it a bit now tbh. Zero chance any of those crosses were for a goalkeeper to claim.

And though I see elatedscum's point about the third goal, it went in off the post. It literally couldn't have been any wider from him while still being a goal. I think the point would have been more valid for Newcastle's first goal the other night.

My concern is simply that conceding goals becomes a habit. Right now I'd probably prefer a keeper not playing much than a keeper conceding regularly even if generally not his fault. And Kelleher looks more ready for big boy football right now. I think Bazunu still looks like a boy finding his way out there. But let's not go looking for mistakes he didn't even make or obscure ratings sites.
06/02/2023, 1:29 PM
BOOMSHAKALAKA

Bazunu has one of the greatest managers in Europe, if not the world in charge at Southampton. I'm sure he can sort their defence out but if Southampton outrageously sack him, you have to hope the next manager tightens things up at the back. He's more comfortable with Egan, Collins and O'Shea in front of him.
06/02/2023, 1:39 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by SkStu

wouldn't it be a touch hypocritical for Kenny to bench Bazunu (still starter for a Premier League side and playing ok) for Kelleher who cant buy a game and as such we have no real body of evidence when he dropped McGrath and others from the squads for not having any game time?

I don't think so. McGrath wasn't getting his game at Wigan in the English third tier (and I'm not sure was he injured for some of that time). Kelleher is back-up keeper at one of the biggest clubs in the world (well, if you exclude this season's shambles of course). Keepers by their nature are either going to start or not; an outfield player not getting any game time at all is a bigger worry I would have thought (and I've . And we had other options to replace McGrath anyway, who was always a fringe squad player for us really.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I actually think you're losing it a bit now tbh. Zero chance any of those crosses were for a goalkeeper to claim.

No need to personalise things Stutts. I'm inclined to agree with you alright but I'm throwing out the suggestion for debate. I only pick the whoscored site as it has player ratings together in one place (and with what seems a more big data angle, which is the way the game is going)- I don't know how obscure it is or indeed how relevant that is to what it's saying. It seems consistent enough with other stats sites in saying Bazunu is having a poor season for a poor side. But I suppose easier to dismiss the source than engage in the debate?
06/02/2023, 2:21 PM
Stuttgart88

Apologies. I do engage in the debate but think it goes far beyond rational debate at times and I think the comment above was an example of it, and not for the first time either.

I honestly think the reason I'm more nervous about Bazunu starting for Ireland these days is because of the discussion on this site. I have more invested defending Bazunu than I do Kelleher. If Kelleher starts I can't lose!
11/02/2023, 5:43 PM
joey B

Looks nearly certain to be playing for his 3rd manager of the season soon after losing to 10 men at home today,difficult first season in the Prem for him and confidence probably not very high at the minute........
A dilemma for Kenny for next month for sure...
12/02/2023, 9:26 AM
JR89

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Originally Posted by joey B

Looks nearly certain to be playing for his 3rd manager of the season soon after losing to 10 men at home today,difficult first season in the Prem for him and confidence probably not very high at the minute........
A dilemma for Kenny for next month for sure...

Sacked him this morning. Really baffling appointment in the first place.
12/02/2023, 12:03 PM
elatedscum

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Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA

Bazunu has one of the greatest managers in Europe, if not the world in charge at Southampton.

Not any more
12/02/2023, 12:16 PM
Stuttgart88

Jones's interview on MOTD last night was cringeworthy. Probably a bit shell-shocked but "we started really well, really regressive" takes football inarticulacy to new levels! Not many managers are as poor in front of a camera as him, and I'd say he's even worse than Kenny in that regard.

I only saw the highlights but Baz was blameless for the goals. A triple-touch OG and a well-placed shot that should never have been allowed to have happened by midfield/defenders, who were simply beaten by greater desire to win the ball.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a new manager change the keeper as a first act though. Sometimes a change of keeper just acts as a kind of reset.

Last night I watched Fraser Forster who recently left Southampton for spurs. Late in his career I know but at times in his career he's been formidable, both for Southampton and Celtic. He looked ordinary enough shipping 4 yesterday, not to blame but failed to save two (I think) "might have saved" shots. I've been playing a mental game with myself since the keeper debate started in earnest on this site and I've been asking myself which keepers on TV are clearly better than ours and which saves/goals we'd be picking apart if our lads were in goal. I think there are a lot of keepers playing to a standard above ours even down into the Championship but at the same time I do see a lot of goals conceded without any goalkeeper criticism that we'd be going "hmm" about. It goes without saying though that being a fan increases your subjectivity I suppose.
13/02/2023, 3:50 AM
elatedscum

Bazunu was the only premier league starter this weekend (I think). (Coleman could start tomorrow)

That feels like a bit of a(n) historic low. Tets - any insight into when we last had only 1 player or 0 players start a premier league weekend?
13/02/2023, 8:27 AM
JR89

Probably sometime last season. Coleman was second choice to Patterson for awhile, Hendrick and Clark were surplus to requirements at Newcastle, Doherty was in and out of the team, Collins wasn't a regular starter till the end of the season and Duffy dropped out of the starting XI around Christmas because of injuries.
13/02/2023, 11:27 AM
tetsujin1979
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Originally Posted by elatedscum

Bazunu was the only premier league starter this weekend (I think). (Coleman could start tomorrow)

That feels like a bit of a(n) historic low. Tets - any insight into when we last had only 1 player or 0 players start a premier league weekend?

Yeah, it's happened a few times, and obviously getting more frequent in recent years
However, there hasn't been a full weekend of fixtures(ie ten games) with only one Irish starting player yet, but there was only one starting player in the six games on the weekend of Friday, 15th April 2022 - Nathan Collins for Burnley away to West Ham on Sunday, 17th April
There's been only one player in weekends with nine fixtures twice, and in both cases it was Seamus Coleman for Everton
- The weekend of Friday, 10th December 2021 - away to Crystal Palace on Sunday, 12th December
- The weekend of Friday, 26th November 2021 - away to Brentford on Sunday, 28th November
Incidentally, if Coleman does play tonight, he'll reach 400 appearances for Everton
14/02/2023, 1:04 AM
Colbert Report

Southampton are 1/5 to get relegated, not looking good for them.
14/02/2023, 2:46 AM
Razors left peg

https://twitter.com/ballsdotie/statu...IrZS4jUKA&s=19

Bazunu being linked with Chelsea. Not sure I believe it, or even think it would be a good move just yet but I am convinced he will make this kind of move in next 3 years or so
14/02/2023, 7:44 AM
JR89

It's a Chelsea fan with a podcast and who writes online articles that started it, and what he mentions is Bazunu is popular among the Chelsea recruitment team.

The Man City head of academy recruitment, Joe Shields, that signed Bazunu when he joined Southampton as head of senior recruitment in the summer now works as part of the recruitment team at Chelsea.

So could be talked about amongst the recruitment team as a young long term option given they did sign a few young players in the summer. Though did sign that young American keeper whose highly touted in the summer. Possibly a 2+2=5 situation of Joe Shields is now at Chelsea and might look at players he knows like Bazunu and Lavia.
14/02/2023, 8:34 AM
Eirambler

Looking at Bazunu's career path to date, I don't see him wanting to go to Chelsea to be a backup keeper. And that's what he would be if he went there next season. A year in the Championship with Southampton would do him no harm at all. Southampton - assuming they go down - need to do a Burnley and use some smart recruitment around the players they already have to bounce straight back up.
14/02/2023, 8:57 AM
JR89

Given the money they've spent this season between two managers that shouldn't have been at Southampton then smart recruitment might not be the new owners forte.

Was clear towards the end of last season that Hasenhuttl's time was up and should have been replaced in the summer but they stuck with him, and the less said about Nathan Jones the better.
14/02/2023, 9:10 AM
Stuttgart88

Southampton are only 4 points off safety which I'd imagine is unusual for the bottom team after 22 games. Might a good managerial appointment keep them up? Wolves got a big lift after Lopetegui joined.

Edit: Jesse Marsch seems to be in the mix.
14/02/2023, 10:06 AM
JR89

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Southampton are only 4 points off safety which I'd imagine is unusual for the bottom team after 22 games. Might a good managerial appointment keep them up? Wolves got a big lift after Lopetegui joined.

Yeah about that good managerial appointment is they're about to appoint someone a fellow relegation rival just sacked.
14/02/2023, 10:07 AM
Eirambler

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Southampton are only 4 points off safety which I'd imagine is unusual for the bottom team after 22 games. Might a good managerial appointment keep them up?

It might have done but they've opted for Jesse Marsch instead.
14/02/2023, 10:24 AM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

https://twitter.com/ballsdotie/statu...IrZS4jUKA&s=19

Bazunu being linked with Chelsea. Not sure I believe it, or even think it would be a good move just yet but I am convinced he will make this kind of move in next 3 years or so

As always with balls(or any clickbait site) it's from a report on another site, this time it's on si.com
Which mentions that it comes from Chelsea fan and podcaster Simon Phillips(as noted by JR89), linking to his twitter
Nothing on his twitter about it, but he does have links to his substack account in his bio
Clicking the search button and entering Bazunu results in this article from two days ago
https://siphillipstalkschelsea.subst...saints-stopper

And this one, when he first reported the interest in Bazunu, from October
https://siphillipstalkschelsea.subst...-and-mckennie/

So, I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
14/02/2023, 10:26 AM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by JR89

Yeah about that good managerial appointment is they're about to appoint someone a fellow relegation rival just sacked.

That fella could do with cheering up a bit ~ Can you imagine having to listen to that face everyday ?
14/02/2023, 10:27 AM
Stuttgart88

Yeah, maybe Jesse Marsch isn't what I had in mind!
14/02/2023, 10:50 AM
JR89

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Yeah, maybe Jesse Marsch isn't what I had in mind!

Would be some laugh if he actually kept them up and Leeds went down though.
14/02/2023, 12:24 PM
Stuttgart88

This is really funny about Nathan Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/football...league-history
14/02/2023, 2:05 PM
BOOMSHAKALAKA

Jones won't be out of a job for long. With his statistical records, I think Man City have him lined up to replace Pep.

But I think he definitely was on the same media training course as Kenny.
14/02/2023, 4:21 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

As always with balls(or any clickbait site) it's from a report on another site, this time it's on si.com
Which mentions that it comes from Chelsea fan and podcaster Simon Phillips(as noted by JR89), linking to his twitter
Nothing on his twitter about it, but he does have links to his substack account in his bio
Clicking the search button and entering Bazunu results in this article from two days ago
https://siphillipstalkschelsea.subst...saints-stopper

And this one, when he first reported the interest in Bazunu, from October
https://siphillipstalkschelsea.subst...-and-mckennie/

So, I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

Yeah, thats why I said Im not sure I believe it, but I do think its a little indication of how highly he is regarded in general.

Hes having a tough season behind a sh1te defense but I think he'll be so much better for getting this experience so young and the move to the big club will come in the not too distant future. I could see a scenario where United would be looking to replace De Gea in 2 years and Bazunu would be on the list.
14/02/2023, 4:44 PM
ontheotherhand

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Originally Posted by JR89

Yeah about that good managerial appointment is they're about to appoint someone a fellow relegation rival just sacked.

Gerrard and Lampard considered and Marsch hired.....yikes.
14/02/2023, 4:53 PM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

Gerrard and Lampard considered and Marsch hired.....yikes.

Perhaps Gerard and Lampard should join up and be the Clough and Taylor of these times ! !
14/02/2023, 4:56 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

Gerrard and Lampard considered and Marsch hired.....yikes.

I heard Gerrard being linked with Leeds the other day. Madness how their player reputation still gets them linked with these type of jobs
14/02/2023, 5:40 PM
pineapple stu

Madness is a company with �150m turnover or so appointing someone to one of the key managerial positions in the entire organisation and sacking them in three months. You wonder what goes on in these decisions; there seems to be no concept of consistent style from one manager to another or things like that.

I think Southampton's owners seem pretty daft but it's not exactly a unique instance. Is there any other industry where it seems to happen so often?

If they're hiring Marsch, at least they're consistent in their madness...
14/02/2023, 5:54 PM
seanfhear

Southampton had been great at producing young talent for a while there. Has that dried up as well ?
14/02/2023, 5:57 PM
ontheotherhand

Great Marsch Madness pun stu.
14/02/2023, 5:59 PM
pineapple stu

Oh - it's not... But if you deleted your post I could go back and drop it in to mine? It's worth stealing!
14/02/2023, 6:25 PM
ontheotherhand

It's nice rewriting history. Been a fair amount of it on this site recently so I'm happy to play my part.

On your other comment - I am trying to come up with a more ridiculous industry and I can't. I feel like even other sports are better managed in comparison to football. Is the best run club in England actually in Wales and run by two actors?
14/02/2023, 7:05 PM
pineapple stu

I get the feeling it's easy to run a club well when you've way more money than everyone else. And they still didn't get promoted last year.

That's probably a little bit harsh on them, but still...
14/02/2023, 7:29 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

It's nice rewriting history. Been a fair amount of it on this site recently so I'm happy to play my part.

On your other comment - I am trying to come up with a more ridiculous industry and I can't. I feel like even other sports are better managed in comparison to football. Is the best run club in England actually in Wales and run by two actors?

Brighton?

And English pro rugby is arguably worse. Wasps and Worcester went bust. Saracens relegated for financial doping. Several big unions (Wales, Oz�) virtually bust too.
14/02/2023, 7:50 PM
ontheotherhand

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I get the feeling it's easy to run a club well when you've way more money than everyone else. And they still didn't get promoted last year.

That's probably a little bit harsh on them, but still...

No need to attack Galway stu.

But yes, point taken. Mine was in jest for the most part. Even taking into account the financial advantage though, they at least seem to put some thought into managerial appointments etc whereas Southampton genuinely sound like they are self sabotaging. Watch them Marsch up the table now.

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